9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So what’s the end game here? If Howie is always right, why does he keep deferring? Is Lurie somehow the only guy in the building who knows this?

I'm willing to bet there isn't a decision made in regards to player/personnel that isn't discussed between both Howie and Lurie prior to making the call.  Anyone who thinks that Howie has autonomy over all player/personnel decisions will soon realize that hasn't really been the case.  Howie might not necessarily "ask permission" but you better believe he likely has long discussions with Lurie before any decisions are made.  And it's probably been like this ever since Chip Kelly left.  

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He only brought up Duce because he was asked about minority coaches.  So do you see Duce as a black guy or a good coach first?

 

Reuben... oh my...

We have had fun playing with the idea that Afan is Howie.

 

 

What if he is actually Lurie?

My take on the unique psychology of the Lurie/Roseman/Doug power structure:

It's no secret that Lurie and Howie had a very similar upbringing.  Neither had the physical opportunity to participate in competitive sports growing up.  Lurie admired Howie's rapid ascent through the football ranks given that similar background.  Their common ground and almost certainly common wavelength in personnel opinions also introduced a very intimate relationship...one that allows Lurie to have his cake and eat it too.  Howie almost certainly makes Lurie feel and be heard.  Lurie gets to have very meaningful involvement with the day-to-day of the team without the public exposure and stigma of being a meddlesome owner like Jerry Jones or Schnider.  A big name "football guy" at GM?  That's a gamble if they'll let Lurie step into that inner circle of decision-making without the accountability and stigma that come with it for the owner.  But Howie always will.

Step down a rung to Doug Pederson.  He was just happy to get the job in 2016.  He's a mild mannered guy with a manageable ego who was happy to defer to a GM without that football background (and don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that football background is necessary; but the lack of it makes it harder to command respect from others in this business).  But with Doug, Howie didn't have to fight for that.  Doug literally got fired today because he wouldn't let them continue to pull the strings anymore.

This is all about control.  Howie is here because of the control he slides under the table to Lurie.  Doug was here because of the control he deferred to Howie.  And the new HC who is hired will be someone who yields to this structure.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

All that matters moving forward is a complete tear-down. Please punt on 2021 and do the complete rebuild. 

That’s not all that matters. A rebuild with the wrong guy is disastrous. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So what’s the end game here? If Howie is always right, why does he keep deferring? Is Lurie somehow the only guy in the building who knows this?

What if the guy Howie is deferring to is Lurie?

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

We have had fun playing with the idea that Afan is Howie.

 

 

What if he is actually Lurie?

Just sticking up for a fellow weasel lawyer

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So what’s the end game here? If Howie is always right, why does he keep deferring? Is Lurie somehow the only guy in the building who knows this?

It defies logic.  Howie knows better, but has no conviction, even though he's the boss and is supposed to have final say?   Howie knows what to do and doesn't do it?    Then he's incompetent.  

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

All that matters moving forward is a complete tear-down. Please punt on 2021 and do the complete rebuild. 

They are painting over the mold.  This won't be a good solution.

13 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Please, no Bienemy or Kafka. Enough of the Reid tree BS.

Please, no Duce. I like Duce more than most and think he deserves a shot somewhere. We need an outsider though.

Please, bring in a young offensive mind like Brady or Riley, or at the very least a Brian Daboll who has helped develop an NFL QB and make him better.

We're going full Belichick tree and hiring Josh McDaniels.  

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My take on the unique psychology of the Lurie/Roseman/Doug power structure:

It's no secret that Lurie and Howie had a very similar upbringing.  Neither had the physical opportunity to participate in competitive sports growing up.  Lurie admired Howie's rapid ascent through the football ranks given that similar background.  Their common ground and almost certainly common wavelength in personnel opinions also introduced a very intimate relationship...one that allows Lurie to have his cake and eat it too.  Howie almost certainly makes Lurie feel and be heard.  Lurie gets to have very meaningful involvement with the day-to-day of the team without the public exposure and stigma of being a meddlesome owner like Jerry Jones or Schnider.  A big name "football guy" at GM?  That's a gamble if they'll let Lurie step into that inner circle of decision-making without the accountability and stigma that come with it for the owner.  But Howie always will.

Step down a rung to Doug Pederson.  He was just happy to get the job in 2016.  He's a mild mannered guy with a manageable ego who was happy to defer to a GM without that football background (and don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that football background is necessary; but the lack of it makes it harder to command respect from others in this business).  But with Doug, Howie didn't have to fight for that.  Doug literally got fired today because he wouldn't let them continue to pull the strings anymore.

This is all about control.  Howie is here because of the control he slides under the table to Lurie.  Doug was here because of the control he deferred to Howie.  And the new HC who is hired will be someone who yields to this structure.

It's getting scary now...we are agreeing more and more often.

41 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

When asked if Wentz was on the 2021 roster the first thing he said is Carson is a great asset to this team.  Then he said yes, in 2021, I'm fully confident Carson can play at a high level...so there's that.  IMO, Carson is gone.

actions speak louder than words:

Doug fired... that tells me Wentz is still here in 2021 and expected to be the QB

33 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You still here? 

what?  why wouldnt i be here?  when did i say i wouldnt be? 

thats fd up

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

We have had fun playing with the idea that Afan is Howie.

 

 

What if he is actually Lurie?

That would be a trick.  He was posting during Lurie's comments.   So, maybe he has a surrogate... OR... that account belongs to BOTH Howie & Lurie!   🤯

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What if the guy Howie is deferring to is Lurie?

Then lurie had us all snowed for a long time. Not buying it

marcus smith would be the only pick where were lost out due to other team 

maybe pumphrey comes to mind too

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

We're going full Belichick tree and hiring Josh McDaniels.  

If that happens, I'll be following curling, 24/7.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Reuben... oh my...

sorry Roobs best days are clearly long behind him and he was never great to begin with

Albert Breer says Doug Pederson's name came up for the Houston job a couple weeks ago.

Hot Take:

 

Roseman is Lurie's illegitimate son. It's a keeping it in the family thing.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Then lurie had us all snowed for a long time. Not buying it

marcus smith would be the only pick where were lost out due to other team 

maybe pumphrey comes to mind too

Losing 'your guy' in Round 4 is pretty weak.

Just now, schuy7 said:

Albert Breer says Doug Pederson's name came up for the Houston job a couple weeks ago.

That's close to home for Doug.  Great spot for him.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Losing 'your guy' in Round 4 is pretty weak.

Tarik Cohen was our guy in RD4. We pivoted to...Pumphrey. UGH.

 

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Just sticking up for a fellow weasel lawyer

Some may think weasel lawyer is redundant but I think there are really 3 types of lawyers: weasels, sharks and country lawyers.  

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What if the guy Howie is deferring to is Lurie?

Plot twist!

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Albert Breer says Doug Pederson's name came up for the Houston job a couple weeks ago.

So he’s going to coach watson... 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Tarik Cohen was our guy in RD4. We pivoted to...Pumphrey. UGH.

Credit to Howie for liking Cohen a little more than Pump! This guy never misses!