Some great news about the Doug firing is that usually a new HC brings in a whole new athletic training staff and strength and conditioning, etc.

I feel like we are bound to upgrade there. 

4 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Please no to Duce and please no to any Cheifs dudes.   Dont be stupid just go get Daboll and do it quick. 

According to Lurie, he's in no rush. He'll be ok if they don't hire someone until mid February 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not what you said, AT ALL!!   LOL.  

bull crap, you read what you wanted it to say. 

 

1 minute ago, Godfather said:

According to Lurie, he's in no rush. He'll be ok if they don't hire someone until mid February 

 

I think they have already talked to someone or a word from an agent that someone would be interested. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

lol, way to strecth what I said into something i didnt say. 

i stated if wentz goes to the steelers ill watch and root for his success.

Funny i have been doing that with Frank Reich since he left as well.  Rooting for his success. 

Rooted for AR to win the SB, even though i called for his termination in 2009

Never stopped rooting for the birds all the while. 

 

you be a fan as you see fit and ill be a fan as i see fit. if you cant handle how i am a fan, feel free to put me on ignore. 

 

 

Don't bother with him.  He's a miserable fan who disappears for weeks at a time...then comes back and calls anyone who doesn't abide by his archaic version of a fan as a "fake fan" but seems to forget that we've been here the entire time.....yet, he's the one that's been gone.  

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 "I’ll be watching and rooting for them”.  That means you’re jumping ship.  So you, Bacarty and Nova are fake fans.  

no, it doesnt, show me where i stated id stop rooting for the birds big boy? did u ask or assume?   

i never stated id stop rooting for the birds

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Don't bother with him.  He's a miserable fan who disappears for weeks at a time...then comes back and calls anyone who doesn't abide by his archaic version of a fan as a "fake fan" but seems to forget that we've been here the entire time.....yet, he's the one that's been gone.  

So now your fandom is calculated by message board time?  LOL.

Just now, Ipiggles said:

no, it doesnt, show me where i stated id stop rooting for the birds big boy? did u ask or assume?   

i never stated id stop rooting for the birds

You don't need to answer to him.  He's disrespected half the posters in this blog at one point or another over the years.  

1 minute ago, phil77 said:

 

I think they have already talked to someone or a word from an agent that someone would be interested. 

I'm sure there are people interested in the job. Hopefully they move quickly and get a guy like Daboll. I like Riley but I doubt he leaves Norman. A guy like Aruthr Smith should be in the mix as well

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not sure why anyone on twitter would see Doug fired largely due to his plan of promoting from within, and then think Duce has a realistic chance of happening. 

Id be shocked. And disappointed. 

Wouldn't that be the most Eagle thing possible to do?  Fire Doug due to his plan of promoting from within just so they can promote from within?  I mean, it makes perfect sense for this organization.

23 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Winning a title made howies ego grow ten times bigger

Kinda like the Grinch's heart when he heard the Whos singing?

 

Just now, Khani1 said:

So now your fandom is calculated by message board time?  LOL.

Not at all.  But it's rich for someone to call others "fake fans" for rooting for former coaches or players to have success...when that same person isn't even nearly as active as most of the posters he's accusing of being a "fake fan".

Lincoln fing Riley son!

I like watching wheel of fortune

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Lincoln fing Riley son!

I would love the hire but I doubt he leaves Norman

Eagles owner literally just said that it's not about the fact that the draft picks have sucked, rather, it's about the outstanding process that went into making them.

That's enough to make Spadaro or Afan blush.

 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I think that's allowing an abdication of responsibility that is on Howie and Lurie.  A good GM, builds the best roster based on his evaluation of talent.  It should be a synthesis of what others think but not dependent on only the coaches opinion.  Coaching isn't roster building in the NFL.  That role falls on the GM.  Sure you can blame the coaches for some decisions but if the choice was Doug's to take Reagor over Jefferson or JJAW over DK someone likely made an evaluation mistake to make them choices at that point in the draft.  

No, you have to draft to your schemes, you don't waste a high pick on a top man to man corner if you play primarily zone, or a two gap DT if you play an aggressive one gap system.

If you've built your offense around a 12 system using your H-back as your primary underneath receiver, then you focus on speed in your WRs.

Now because HCs come and go, the trick is to have an organizational philosophy, Eagles generally have just that, an expansion of the WCO with some spread aspects, 4-3 defense built around attacking the QB. Pederson wanted to add a lot of RPO elements, it worked with Foles for some weird reason, but it usually demands a running type QB, and it's a shift for this organization. Schwartz was a 4-3 DC, but unlike JJ he simply has no touch for the blitz, struggles with making a secondary work, so he depends on top talent on the DL. Which explains the contracts and the FA signings.

Given the right new coaches, it'll be easier for Howie to go BPA.

I think it's pretty obvious from Lurie's comments that he thinks the problem with drafting were the coaches.

But it's hard to say no to SB winning coaches, even if Schwartz's defense was shredded by Brady. It's only after Pederson couldn't repeat the magic that the divisions grew.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

My take on the unique psychology of the Lurie/Roseman/Doug power structure:

It's no secret that Lurie and Howie had a very similar upbringing.  Neither had the physical opportunity to participate in competitive sports growing up.  Lurie admired Howie's rapid ascent through the football ranks given that similar background.  Their common ground and almost certainly common wavelength in personnel opinions also introduced a very intimate relationship...one that allows Lurie to have his cake and eat it too.  Howie almost certainly makes Lurie feel and be heard.  Lurie gets to have very meaningful involvement with the day-to-day of the team without the public exposure and stigma of being a meddlesome owner like Jerry Jones or Schnider.  A big name "football guy" at GM?  That's a gamble if they'll let Lurie step into that inner circle of decision-making without the accountability and stigma that come with it for the owner.  But Howie always will.

Step down a rung to Doug Pederson.  He was just happy to get the job in 2016.  He's a mild mannered guy with a manageable ego who was happy to defer to a GM without that football background (and don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that football background is necessary; but the lack of it makes it harder to command respect from others in this business).  But with Doug, Howie didn't have to fight for that.  Doug literally got fired today because he wouldn't let them continue to pull the strings anymore.

This is all about control.  Howie is here because of the control he slides under the table to Lurie.  Doug was here because of the control he deferred to Howie.  And the new HC who is hired will be someone who yields to this structure.

Except Chip Kelly shows this to be wrong. Andy Reid also shows this to be wrong.

 

Crazy idea here guys, but maybe the billionaire owner actually wants to win and has a much better perspective of all of the decision making within the organization?

my thoughts on Howie:

Iggles_Phan makes a great point about his recent contracts and the mess he has gotten us in. Ive stated my feelings that Howie likely thought he could extend the super bowl window. Its ONLY been 3 years. imo it reasonable for a GM to believe over the past 2 years that he was just a few moves and retaining key players away from getting back there. 

In the end, it didnt work and we are left in cap hell. In the end, we can count up all of those mistakes he made and he looks like the worst GM ever. But it was based on sound logic. 

However we are grading with 20/20 hindsight and recency bias. Recently, nothing has worked out. We ignore the fact that for many years prior to this mess, we have celebrated moves Howie has made both in trades, and smart contract structures. He has provided many euphoric moments for us in the blog. I can remember so many times posting pics, and memes, and people breaking down the brilliance of his moves. Hes not dumb, and he hasnt simply forgotten how to smartly manage cap. What we have seen is him operating with different mindsets based on where he views the team's ability to compete at the time. 

We have seen him as a smart cap manager signing free agents to short term deals and maintaining optionality. And we have seen him "go for it", and then try to extend the window (admittedly a year or two too long). 

 

But as Lurie talks about the need to rebuild- it should take nothing more than him telling Howie to operate in that mode. And theres no one I would rather have to tear down and fix the cap. 

And if you disagree, thats fine; and as I play along with that line of thinking I would say it makes sense to fire Howie NEXT year then. Not this year. It makes absolutely no sense at all to hire a new GM who will have 0 flexibility to to do anything but let contracts expire. If you want to move on from Howie, you let him swirl around the toilet bowl with these bad contracts and hire a new GM when he has assets to work his magic with. Seriously, what is a new GM going to do for us right now?

 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

Oh ya!!!

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Except Chip Kelly shows this to be wrong. Andy Reid also shows this to be wrong.

 

Crazy idea here guys, but maybe the billionaire owner actually wants to win and has a much better perspective of all of the decision making within the organization?

Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, et al want/wanted to win too.  You think they don't?

Of the 32 owners in the NFL, about 29-30 of them have more than enough resources and certainly more than enough ego/pride for wanting to win to not be the problem.

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, et al want/wanted to win too.  You think they don't?

Of the 32 owners in the NFL, about 29-30 of them have more than enough resources and certainly more than enough ego/pride for wanting to win to not be the problem.

One of the biggest myths in the NFL is that all 32 owners want to "win". It's just not true.