Ah Lincoln Riley and Jalen Hurts together again.  Let's see if a duo that couldn't win a national title together in the NCAA is good enough to win a Super Bowl together in the NFL.  

If you hold your breath, you might last just as long as the latest personnel guru under Howie Roseman.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, et al want/wanted to win too.  You think they don't?

Of the 32 owners in the NFL, about 29-30 of them have more than enough resources and certainly more than enough ego/pride for wanting to win to not be the problem.

And yet the Eagles have been one of the better teams in the NFL since Lurie bought the franchise. So maybe he's also one of the best owners?

Again, crazy idea here...

Just now, TEW said:

And yet the Eagles have been one of the better teams in the NFL since Lurie bought the franchise. So maybe he's also one of the best owners?

Again, crazy idea here...

So is Bob Kraft the best owner in NFL history?

Just now, eagle45 said:

Ah Lincoln Riley and Jalen Hurts together again.  Let's see if a duo that couldn't win a national title together in the NCAA is good enough to win a Super Bowl together in the NFL.  

If you hold your breath, you might last just as long as the latest personnel guru under Howie Roseman.

If Riley were to be hired, I don't think Hurts as a starter is a given. I still believe Wentz will start for the Eagles in 2021

Can't believe no one mentioned James Franklin yet....

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

If Riley were to be hired, I don't think Hurts as a starter is a given. I still believe Wentz will start for the Eagles in 2021

Correct.  Riley’s ties to Hurts extend one season, and he had as much or more success with Mayfield and Murray beforehand.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

LOL.  Bro.  Where have you been?  You’re gonna get your fan card pulled!!!!   

Was out running errands and other stuff today.  Was at home on my PC when the first post went up about Doug being let go then had to hit the road so was listening to WIP while driving in between stops all the way up to about 10 minutes into Lurie's presser then listened at home while putting the groceries away then doing food prep and cooking.  Finally sitting down after finishing a meal and having a beer while being entertained by the EMB. 

For the record, not surprised at Doug being let go.  If those tweets by McLane were true that he wanted to promoted Taylor to OC and bring back Undlin for DC then he needed to go.  Those are poor choices.  Bit bothered by what I heard of Lurie's PC, how he kept evading questions about Howie's performance.  Not good.  Hoping they hire a good offensive minded coach for the HC job.  This League is about the O now so you need to have a good one.  Start there and then address the D.  We're going to have loads to speculate about until the pieces start falling into place then things should get really interesting.  I'm here for the long haul, even if I don't like the decisions.  Have to believe even if they keep screwing up that eventually they'll learn, or should I say that eventually Lurie will learn.

 

The only problem is Riley got a new bad ass QB now yet again ... but 10 milly should do it 🤣

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Eagles owner literally just said that it's not about the fact that the draft picks have sucked, rather, it's about the outstanding process that went into making them.

That's enough to make Spadaro or Afan blush.

as I have said many times, if Joe Douglas, of Ed Manowicz, or Chip Kelly set ridiculous draft boards, and Howie is making picks off that board, its not going to end well. He gets pegged with blame for final say, but its final say of an idiotic choice in a waffle iron or hammer scenario. Its never going to end well if thats the best Joe Douglas, et. al can come up with to present to Howie on draft day.

Next, if he has a tie breaker and he brings it to position coaches to break the tie hes taking to to Flajole who didnt know LJ Fort was good. Or Undlin and Schwartz who destroy the careers of DBs.... or one of our yearly WR coaches who cant get any production out of our WRs ever, etc.

 

The process should change. Howie should stop being made to defer to a "football guy" GM, and should break ties himself rather than Doug's stupid assistant coaches. We need transparency. And if Jeff continues to trust Howie, then he should really show trust in him and let him run things without someone overseeing him on draft matters. 

 

I trust that Lurie knows everything about the way all of those decisions go down and knows who is at fault.

You can blame Howie for contracts, and theres no  hiding behind anyone there. He has to own that. But no one can speak with any certainty about how much blame our draft failures lay on Howie's shoulders. imo, its pretty obvious his hands were extremely tied. But only Lurie knows. And if he isnt blaming Howie for the draft performances, then it looks like my suspicions are on track and most of the blog has misdirected anger. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So is Bob Kraft the best owner in NFL history?

Certainly one of them.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wouldn't that be the most Eagle thing possible to do?  Fire Doug due to his plan of promoting from within just so they can promote from within?  I mean, it makes perfect sense for this organization.

yes... I expect Duce, or Lincoln Riley who kind of has the look of an outsider but has been a trusted confidant... or someone even worse like James Franklin. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Correct.  Riley’s ties to Hurts extend one season, and he had as much or more success with Mayfield and Murray beforehand.  

Mayfield/Murray/Hurts fare a lot better in a Heisman conversation than in an "nfl ready qb” conversation.

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

Certainly one of them.

Nah.  He cheats.  I heard he gets a lot of helping hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll show myself out......

 

16 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Oh ya!!!

Does that mean that Hurts is the starter going forward?

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Does that mean that Hurts is the starter going forward?

I don’t think necessarily but he is a innovator of offense and Lurie said he wants offense 

I'm kind of disappointed Press Taylor hasn't been fired out of a cannon yet.

22 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

 

I would assume if its Riley that will be Hurts moving forward.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m seriously interested in seeing if John Dorsey takes on a new title with the Eagles.  That might signal a subtle shift by Lurie.  

They need something better when it comes to their draft process.  Seems they were drafting players that didn't fit their schemes on either O or D (CBs that were better in zone than man, WRs too much like our TEs for 12 personnel, etc.).  Then this past draft was like a 'panic' draft where they felt the need to fill certain holes instead of going BPA.  Their latter rounds picks seem to be better than their early round picks and it's the early round ones that can make/break your team.  The latter rounds are for depth.  They have missed on too many early round picks.

 

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

Certainly one of them.

I’ll give you one thing...Lurie/Howie, Lowie, from now on...Lowie at least has the foresight and sack to publicly acknowledge that it’s past time to worry about investing anything into salvaging 2021 and that the long term future is the sole consideration at this point.

The true worst case scenario is Lowie making short-sighted decisions for a fast turnaround.  

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm kind of disappointed Press Taylor hasn't been fired out of a cannon yet.

He’d only go about 3-4 yards and Ward would be underneath to catch him.

3 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

 

I would assume if its Riley that will be Hurts moving forward.

I wouldn't assume that

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh man.  

They are collaborating.  

Well just saying....if they hire Riley, the talk will be he's going with Hurts.  We'll see.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’ll give you one thing...Lurie/Howie, Lowie, from now on...Lowie at least has the foresight and sack to publicly acknowledge that it’s past time to worry about investing anything into salvaging 2021 and that the long term future is the sole consideration at this point.

The true worst case scenario is Lowie making short-sighted decisions for a fast turnaround.  

What is a fast turnaround? 

IMO when we looked headed for certain cap hell with Chip Kelly's idiotic decisions, Howie reversed everything he did, even moving so called untradeable players like Kiko Alonzo and DeMarco Murray, Sam Bradford.... and we went from complete sucky team with bad cap situation to winning a super bowl in just a few short seasons. 

It was a few years, but it was relatively fast. Very fast imo considering where we were, and where we seemed headed. During that time, nothing "short sighted" like I assume long term bad contracts in free agency (if thats what you are referring to) was done. 

Howie did it once. He did it quickly. And achieved the ultimate result. And if Lurie tells him its time to do it again, hes given us reason to believe he can do it. Its in our trophy case. 

One reason Lurie is being evasive is it's not his MO to throw his ex-employees under the bus, they certainly could have reamed Riddick for example.

So he's not going to come out and say Howie and/or the scouts were right, but we went with what our coaches wanted (i.e., they're idiots).

But if Lurie saw Howie make bone head mistake after bone head mistake, he'd be fired or pushed upstairs with no authority over personnel or the draft. Lurie wants to win.

And when he talks about the process being fine, I think he means just that, the scouts make good recommendations, the draft board is solid, so you just need better HC and assistant coaches.

Our secondary this year could have been Poyer, McLeod and Rowe at S, Sullivan, Darby, Douglas, Jones and Maddox at CB - Howie got all these guys, the coaches screwed it up.

We could have had Agholor as our deep threat, in which case we probably take Jefferson over Reagor. Pederson is the one who tried to make him a slot WR, Gruden turned him into a deep threat.

As far as the contracts, look at the 2017 roster and you realize there's at best a 3 year window, so Howie went all in - had he had better luck (Wentz, Jerrigan, Malik and Wallace staying healthy)and better coaching, it might have paid off. This past season was a clusterf---, but it really didn't make much difference in terms of rebuilding, the contract damage had already been done, and Howie didn't make things worse, he just put off the day of reckoning for a season.

Riley is an NCAA offensive "genius.”  Heard that one before?  But seriously...he does a great, creative job.

If he’s the next HC, we’ll see how smart and adaptable he actually is.  If he brings his exact offense to the pros, he’ll be Steve Spurrier/Chip Kelly 3.0.  
 

And if he’s just that bright so that he can build the right offense to score at will under different circumstances in different leagues, then great.