1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

IMO, this was overcompensation for the JJAW vs Metcalf pick, where they took production over upside.

Agreed... which is the problem.   Howie swings like a pendulum.  Next year it will be back to production over upside and he'll miss again.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t think they make that determination from a game where we benched a bunch of starters and went up against a team fighting for the playoffs (at least their defense was).

I don't think they did make it from just that one game.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hey.... if Doug and Howie are both back... let them go down with their ship.  JJAW is their anchor.

If they are both back, then I hope they trade Wentz.  Why should he have to deal with this situation they created.

Reagor still has some promise, I'm concerned about his durability, 3 injuries in his first season. And I think he lacks the fight/strength to go get the ball, he hasn't won a close contested catch all year. I think he can be a decent 2nd WR, and or a good Slot. But will never live up to 1st rd pick and or Jefferson being taken after him. 

 

Below for comparison, our 3 best wr's this year- keeping in mind, One is a Rookie (Reagor), one a 2nd year player who was on 2 different practice squads earlier this year, and Ward a converted QB who was a practice squad guy last year. 

All 3 of these are pretty meh. 

 

Reagor VS Fulgham VS Greg Ward

 

 

Reagor 

Receiving & Rushing

 

 

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2020	21	PHI	WR	18	11	11	54	31	396	12.8	1	18	55	2.8	36.0	57.4%	7.3	4	26	0	2	19	6.5	2.4	0.4	35	12.1	422	1	2

 

 

 

Fulgham 

Receiving & Rushing

 

 

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2020	25	PHI	wr	13	13	8	67	38	539	14.2	4	25	42	2.9	41.5	56.7%	8.0									38	14.2	539	4	0

 

 

Ward

Receiving & Rushing

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2020	25	PHI	WR	84	16	10	79	53	419	7.9	6	24	32	3.3	26.2	67.1%	5.3	2	-4	0	0	2	-2.0	-0.3	0.1	55	7.5	415	6	2

 

 

Am I the only person who finds Ertz’s so called "emotional” presser bizarre? He’s behaving like he is about to hit free agency even though he still has a year left on his deal and is the party (reportedly) demanding a pay raise or a trade.

You say you love this city so much but you want to either be paid like (at least) the third best TE in football or be traded to another city. That seems nonsensical to me.

I understand wanting a pay raise - makes total sense to most folks. But getting all emotional about leaving when it sounds like it’s a decision that you are actively forcing is weird.

In the past and under similar circumstances, I would cite the old saw," In the NFL, things are never as bad as they seem."

They just might be as bad as they seem this time.

One more thing that just jumped out at me during the PC.  

Howie: "Look, I've been here for 20 years." and "No, I'm not worried about my job."

UGH.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

He was always above sixty percent. He is accurate and has a good arm.  His real issue is his stopwatch in his head can ring early, leading to abandoning the pocket and running.  Last night he had at least a few incompletions when he threw the ball away and I think a couple where he was running out of room and threw down the sideline to players that didn’t catch the ball.  Make no mistake, he was running for his life last night and for the most part for the last four weeks.   I liked what I saw from him for the most part.  He needs to work on his reads more.  I think incorporating some of Leach’s layering may help.  Frankly, I think that would help Carson too.  I thought that was why they brought in Harrell for a visit during the OC search.  Note Tua had a similar experience this season to Hurts.  

I'm not talking about completion percentage.  There's a reason Hurts was pulled for Tua in that NC game, and it was because Hurts is not a good passer, especially at the deeper throws.

 

But, I also don't see him a future top end starter, even with more seasoning, better coaching and a better scheme.  

2 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Am I the only person who finds Ertz’s so called "emotional” presser bizarre? He’s behaving like he is about to hit free agency even though he still has a year left on his deal and is the party (reportedly) demanding a pay raise or a trade.

You say you love this city so much but you want to either be paid like (at least) the third best TE in football or be traded to another city. That seems nonsensical to me.

I understand wanting a pay raise - makes total sense to most folks. But getting all emotional about leaving when it sounds like it’s a decision that you are actively forcing is weird.

I view it more like the jenkins situation. You knew he wasn’t playing the last year of that contract. It was either he was getting an extension or they were moving on from him. I think the writing has been on the wall in terms of ertz and the eagles moving on 

1 minute ago, greend said:

I don't think they did make it from just that one game.

Exactly.  This is why Hurts got all 4 starts; it was the best opportunity to evaluate what they have moving forward.  If Hurts’ ceiling was one-half of one game vs Arizona (who also didn’t make the playoffs) I’m not sure how Doug or Howie can evaluate him as any better than a bottom-tier NFL starter.

You can’t build or rebuild a franchise around that.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

I don't think they did make it from just that one game.

I don’t know if he was that bad in the other games to write him off, though. He wasn’t terrible. I’m just adding this season to everything else I just want to forget about 2020. 

FWIW, Mosher and Caplan don’t think Doug is a lock to be back. They think he’ll be back, but they think if the meeting goes sour and they can’t come to an agreement about what is best for the team, things could change. There’s a possibility Doug wants something different than Lurie and Howie.

Caplan said he’s hearing Doug is amenable to coaching staff changes but not everything.

Mosher thinks Doug will stand firm in that he wants his offense installed and wants to run it his way without outside voices influencing it.

Caplan said there’s tremendous friction between Doug and Wentz, and Wentz doesn’t have the support he needs in the organization.

 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hey.... if Doug and Howie are both back... let them go down with their ship.  JJAW is their anchor.

deep, deep down

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hardly.  Agholor played 15 games his second full season and put up 365 yards on 35 catches.

If Reagor plays 15 games next season he will double that yardage total.

I'm not really talking about numbers though. He has drop issues like Aggy right? That doesn't just change. He has work ethic questions as well. 600 or 700 yards and 70 catches is a WR2/3.

I'm sticking with him having a frustrating career. Highs and lows. Even his college coach brought up some of his issues. It was talked about on the blog a ton last year. 

I hope he proves me us all wrong but the film doesn't lie. Same stuff this year as his college career.

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

How the hell did nobody in that press conference ask Howie about the abomination of a salary cap situation they are about to face?

Everybody knows that Howie is a cap genius. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t know if he was that bad in the other games to write him off, though. He wasn’t terrible. I’m just adding this season to everything else I just want to forget about 2020. 

Maybe he isn't terrible. Maybe they just believe that he isn't good enough to be a starter and they feel like if they can rehab Wentz that's the best bet. I mean he hasn't been great and yes he's a rookie. Pretty scary that it almost seemed that Doug didn't really want him passing very often .

Just now, Sack that QB said:

FWIW, Mosher and Caplan don’t think Doug is a lock to be back. They think he’ll be back, but they think if the meeting goes sour and they can’t come to an agreement about what is best for the team, things could change. There’s a possibility Doug wants something different than Lurie and Howie.

Caplan said he’s hearing Doug is amenable to coaching staff changes but not everything.

Mosher thinks Doug will stand firm in that he wants his offense installed and wants to run it his way without outside voices influencing it.

Caplan said there’s tremendous friction between Doug and Wentz, and Wentz doesn’t have the support he needs in the organization.

I am not ready to buy into the Wentz drama just yet...I think there is a lot still to be discussed. The Eagles can be pretty tight-lipped when it is convenient, and Lurie still hasn't met with either Howie or Doug. ... and most of what is being shared may be "agent talk"

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If they are both back, then I hope they trade Wentz.  Why should he have to deal with this situation they created.

Better question is why should the fans? 

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Chase reminds me a lot of Sammy Watkins coming out. Prototype WR's that shined immensely despite a lot of talent around him.  There's not a lot of questions around him, outside of the sitting the year thing.

Smith is interesting, he might have had the best single season campaign since Fitz's last year at Pitt.

As an aside, I'm curious as to why this seems to only matter with Chase. And not even here, it's everywhere he's being discussed. Sewell, Parsons, Farley, Rousseau, Wyatt Davis all opted out too along with other guys but no one seems to care about that. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

FWIW, Mosher and Caplan don’t think Doug is a lock to be back. They think he’ll be back, but they think if the meeting goes sour and they can’t come to an agreement about what is best for the team, things could change. There’s a possibility Doug wants something different than Lurie and Howie.

Caplan said he’s hearing Doug is amenable to coaching staff changes but not everything.

Mosher thinks Doug will stand firm in that he wants his offense installed and wants to run it his way without outside voices influencing it.

Caplan said there’s tremendous friction between Doug and Wentz, and Wentz doesn’t have the support he needs in the organization.

I feel the potential fork in the road in that interview is what lurie wants to do with wentz. If he believes wentz is the guy going forward not sure how you bring doug back if there’s as much friction as caplan is stating between the two. You are likely going to have a bumpy ride if you bring both back and they are disgruntled with each other every day. That’s not good for either of them. 

I’m curious as to what caplan means by he doesn’t have the support he needs in the organization. It’s pretty broad statement and would need some examples 

Remember when we used to laugh at the WFT and Snyder and at the Giants and Gettleman? Well, I think many are laughing at the Eagles and Roseman.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I view it more like the jenkins situation. You knew he wasn’t playing the last year of that contract. It was either he was getting an extension or they were moving on from him. I think the writing has been on the wall in terms of ertz and the eagles moving on 

It’s probably a very similar situation but didn’t Jenkins publicly say that he wouldn’t play on that contract? So Jenkins, like Ertz, wanted out for more money - which is fine as that’s a business decision. What I don’t get (and what Jenkins didn’t do) is why Ertz is crying and behaving like he has no control over whether or not he is coming back. Unless I missed something, I’d think Howie would bring him back under his current contract.

10 minutes ago, John_C said:

 

Bringing Roseman back has made the franchise somewhat of a joke.  It already was with the nonsense in the draft last year, creating a circus with Carson and Jalen and the laughable explanations.

Brining back the guy responsible for this disaster of a roster and cap situations makes it a laughingstock.  If I am the other teams in the NFC East I am very happy.  May they keep this idiot in place forever.

There is no justification in what Lurie is doing here, and he needs to be held to account.  It's gross nepotism, period.  And it's wrong.

Good point. Roseman is now our version of Jerry and Snyder. As long as they are around good luck having success

49 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not at all.  We were talking about rankings.  I can site another 20 if that helps.

My point is 100% correct, Reagor was never a top 5 prospect, anywhere.

Don’t bother.  I will say the same thing I said after Howie grabbed Reagor instead of Jefferson.  That’s water under the bridge, now let’s make the best of what we have.  There are skill sets that made JJAW and Reagor draftable.   The Eagles need to utilize those.  People scoff at Pederson saying he needs to coach more to the players’ strengths. He does.  So does his OC and DC. And for the love of the football gods, enough with the over analytics.  I think that has killed Fipp’s coaching.