8 hours ago, austinfan said:

But that's his job. He just has to find better coaches to listen to.

I mean yeah he deserves some credit for listening to others... But he didn't make that pick off of his evaluation. 

8 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who was the best WR in this past draft?   Was it one of the guys to go before the Eagles' pick or after?

 

Who was a better WR - JJAW or the guys that went after him (Metcalf/McLauren/Slayton)?

 

What has Howie done well?  I need the list.  I haven't seen any moves that actually defend his record.

Woah bud I was being sarcastic and facetious i wasn't being genuine. 

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I mean, it could kind of be a defense. At this point we have to hope he is capable of finding great players. He’s our GM until he dies so what choice do we have?

Very true. We have to accept that whilst Lurie is here Howie will be here. Coaches will come and go and Howie will outlast them all. 

So much going on now this one is hard to digest.  All in all I can see the move and maybe it was time.  There is something to be said though for the stable coaching situations.  Look at Pitt, KC, Seattle, NewEngland, NO.  Those are some of the healthiest situations around and perennial contenders.  I'm ok with the move but I would have given Doug one more year and chalked this year up to a one off COVID year.  Something significant had to change though and I guess Lurie wasn't going to move on from Howie.

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So much going on now this one is hard to digest.  All in all I can see the move and maybe it was time.  There is something to be said though for the stable coaching situations.  Look at Pitt, KC, Seattle, NewEngland, NO.  Those are some of the healthiest situations around and perennial contenders.  I'm ok with the move but I would have given Doug one more year and chalked this year up to a one off COVID year.  Something significant had to change though and I guess Lurie wasn't going to move on from Howie.

See I agree that Doug should have had one more year. I think Howie should have gone and Doug should have remained. But look if Doug presented his plan to fix the offense and Lurie didn't like it then I don't have an issue with him making the change. What I do have issue with is Lurie keeping Howie around. 

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So much going on now this one is hard to digest.  All in all I can see the move and maybe it was time.  There is something to be said though for the stable coaching situations.  Look at Pitt, KC, Seattle, NewEngland, NO.  Those are some of the healthiest situations around and perennial contenders.  I'm ok with the move but I would have given Doug one more year and chalked this year up to a one off COVID year.  Something significant had to change though and I guess Lurie wasn't going to move on from Howie.

You are 100% right about those organizations, but the team has to find that coach first.  I wish that we could have Reid level longevity back, too.  That was a good time.  What it shows is that organizational fit is so important.  I'm not sure if that is possible or not.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You are 100% right about those organizations, but the team has to find that coach first.  I wish that we could have Reid level longevity back, too.  That was a good time.  What it shows is that organizational fit is so important.  I'm not sure if that is possible or not.

Agreed. You can't stick with a coach just because consistency and stability tends to be the right way to do things. If you have the wrong coach then stability and consistency (in a winning sense) won't be found. 

14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Agreed. You can't stick with a coach just because consistency and stability tends to be the right way to do things. If you have the wrong coach then stability and consistency (in a winning sense) won't be found. 

The type of consistency we want has to involve winning and competitiveness and a strong voice.  We didn't see that this year at all and it was missing for a large stretch of last year and the year before.  Every year after the SB band broke up, the Eagles got further and further away.  Ultimately, we ended up with a broken franchise QB investment and what appears to be a broken coaching organization....that doesn't win.  Who really believed that Doug could be a prime player in a rebuild after seeing the years after the SB?  Not me, so cut him loose. He wasn't a fit for longevity.

 

27 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

You are 100% right about those organizations, but the team has to find that coach first.  I wish that we could have Reid level longevity back, too.  That was a good time.  What it shows is that organizational fit is so important.  I'm not sure if that is possible or not.

Sure which is why I said "one off COVID year", i.e. I'm not ruling Doug out for one horrible year given this year's situation.  The entire year from COVID to the historical level of injury was unprecedented.  None of the coaches of those other teams would have had a good year either with this year's Eagles team.  I'm thinking they would have done better than Doug but the question is how much.

My absolute biggest problem with Doug this year was his handling of Wentz.  With the OL in historical shambles and starting a mix of backups to backups and PS guys on the OL he left Wentz back there time and time and time again.  Wentz did a horrible job with the situation but Doug did nothing to protect the QB.  BillB would have handed off 40 times and scraped some wins thru other means and lived for another day.  Doug may just have destroyed Wentz.

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Sure which is why I said "one off COVID year", i.e. I'm not ruling Doug out for one horrible year given this year's situation.  The entire year from COVID to the historical level of injury was unprecedented.  None of the coaches of those other teams would have had a good year either with this year's Eagles team.  I'm thinking they would have done better than Doug but the question is how much.

My absolute biggest problem with Doug this year was his handling of Wentz.  With the OL in historical shambles and starting a mix of backups to backups and PS guys on the OL he left Wentz back there time and time and time again.  Wentz did a horrible job with the situation but Doug did nothing to protect the QB.  BillB would have handed off 40 times and scraped some wins thru other means and lived for another day.  Doug may just have destroyed Wentz.

Absolutely...and that is why he isn't here anymore.  This year can't be viewed by itself, but there certainly were things that said "something is not right."  Wentz being a big one. His trends and choices didn't give many people the confidence that he could lead us back.

 

10 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Absolutely...and that is why he isn't here anymore.  This year can't be viewed by itself, but there certainly were things that said "something is not right."  Wentz being a big one. His trends and choices didn't give many people the confidence that he could lead us back.

 

The rest of Doug's time here was excellent.  This year was special and Doug was horrible.  I don't see either of those being debatable.

If there is some off the field stuff we don't see then that could be the reason but from what I've seen on the field under the circumstances and based on his entire body of work Doug should have gotten another year.  I'd have forced some key changes including a new OC for example and given him another shot.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

The rest of Doug's time here was excellent.  This year was special and Doug was horrible.  I don't see either of those being debatable.

If there is some off the field stuff we don't see then that could be the reason but from what I've seen on the field under the circumstances and based on his entire body of work Doug should have gotten another year.  I'd have forced some key changes including a new OC for example and given him another shot.

That is where I came from, too. But if indeed it was DP wanting another all-in year to repair his reputation, with Taylor as OC and "I don't want to be told any longer who my coaches are"... Then he had to go. In that case I agree with him getting sacked.

8 minutes ago, Infam said:

That is where I came from, too. But if indeed it was DP wanting another all-in year to repair his reputation, with Taylor as OC and "I don't want to be told any longer who my coaches are"... Then he had to go. In that case I agree with him getting sacked.

Exactly.  You never get the full story right away.

3 hours ago, The guy in France said:

Want to know for how long and for what reasons Wentz had a bug up his a** with DP. 

At first I was defensive about Wentz being pulled but by the end I could see Hurts gave us a better chance to win and any play could be a big one, so a former rose colored glasses Wentzer.

If Wentz has lost his "escapability” PERMANENTLY which is needed to extend plays, time to move on. Could also take a lesson on how to sell when running play action from Baker Mayfield, move slow when you are keeping and speed up when giving

DP set trends for going more often on 4th, the 2 pt conversion and deferring. He also kept the team playing with less quit

It’s going to be interesting. Now that Carson appears to have won the power struggle, I can’t wait to see how he performs.

Since he all but blamed Doug for his dog ish play, he better be ready to ball out now that his scapegoat is gone.

I’ll have my popcorn ready.

Anymore doubters on Devonta Smith? Anyone? Good lord. He's so so good. 

9 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Best pic was probably Pineapple Express...was good in Spider-man too.

The Penn State coach?

2 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

It’s going to be interesting. Now that Carson appears to have won the power struggle, I can’t wait to see how he performs.

Since he all but blamed Doug for his dog ish play, he better be ready to ball out now that his scapegoat is gone.

I’ll have my popcorn ready.

I don’t look at this as a power struggle - Doug vs Wentz - at all. I think this is a clash of philosophies between Doug (go for it every year) and The org (time to strip it down and reset).  

carson still may not be part of that process  

I thought it was interesting how Jeffrey admitted they knew full well that keeping the band together was going to create future pain (what we are feeling now) and that they were sort of making a deal with the devil to chase a 2nd Lombardi. 
 

I think Doug is still trying to keep that band playing on offense and Jeffrey is saying "nope, time to blow it up,”. I still think, depending on what offers they might get, that Carson could be here for the long term rebuild or turn into assets for the rebuild. 

5 hours ago, The guy in France said:

Want to know for how long and for what reasons Wentz had a bug up his a** with DP. 

Not sure how you do things there in France, fella; but here in ‘Murica, it’s not a bug up the ass in a DP.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh yeah.   That’s a good point.  No one really brought him up last night.  Thanks for adding.  

The knock on him isn’t his ability.  He ran around the field untouched the entire first half and set BCS bowl GAME records in one half!  Problem is, first real contact he takes he was off to the tent never to be seen again!  

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh.  I never thought of his size being a potential problem.   Good insight.  

Women always say size doesn’t matter, but they always lie

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh yeah.   That’s a good point.  No one really brought him up last night.  Thanks for adding.  

I didn't get to watch until this morning smart ass. 

OK, first full day of Eagles coaching discussions.  I think Mike Vrabel has done a great job in Tennessee....are there any coaches on his staff that might be good candidates?

Is it even worth thinking of off the wall solutions or do we know the Eagles have their top 5 already.

2 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

It’s going to be interesting. Now that Carson appears to have won the power struggle, I can’t wait to see how he performs.

Since he all but blamed Doug for his dog ish play, 

 

He did? When? Is there a clip of this some where? A verifiable report that states he did this? 

10 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-doug-pederson-press-taylor-jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman-20210112.html

 

 

 

I bet that has some truth to it.  

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

The rest of Doug's time here was excellent.  This year was special and Doug was horrible.  I don't see either of those being debatable.

If there is some off the field stuff we don't see then that could be the reason but from what I've seen on the field under the circumstances and based on his entire body of work Doug should have gotten another year.  I'd have forced some key changes including a new OC for example and given him another shot.

Now I do wonder if part of what happened was that Howie has been in Lurie's ear about Lincoln Riley.  Apparently Roseman and Riley are buddy buddy.  I also think that Doug had no plan to fix his coaching staff.  My guess is that Lurie told him he wanted a plan and the plan was to promote Pres Taylor.  I think that sealed his fate and it was a bad decision by Doug if he wanted to keep his job.  I am not sure Doug wanted to stay with the Eagles.