1 hour ago, Uscg-green said:

Anymore doubters on Devonta Smith? Anyone? Good lord. He's so so good. 

I was doubtful before watching his tape but I think I'm sold now.  Still waiting to see what he looks like at the combine to see if he warrants a top 10 selection but so far, so good.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Now I do wonder if part of what happened was that Howie has been in Lurie's ear about Lincoln Riley.  Apparently Roseman and Riley are buddy buddy.  I also think that Doug had no plan to fix his coaching staff.  My guess is that Lurie told him he wanted a plan and the plan was to promote Pres Taylor.  I think that sealed his fate and it was a bad decision by Doug if he wanted to keep his job.  I am not sure Doug wanted to stay with the Eagles.  

Interesting.  Haven't seen the buddy, buddy thing with Roseman before.   Where did you see that one?

3 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

It’s going to be interesting. Now that Carson appears to have won the power struggle, I can’t wait to see how he performs.

Since he all but blamed Doug for his dog ish play, he better be ready to ball out now that his scapegoat is gone.

I’ll have my popcorn ready.

Honestly Parrot you're starting to sound like a hater. Where are you getting this power struggle BS? From what I read Doug was going to promote people that shouldn't have been promoted to potions they shouldn't have and that was the final straw. Nothing to do with Wentz.

52 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I don’t look at this as a power struggle - Doug vs Wentz - at all. I think this is a clash of philosophies between Doug (go for it every year) and The org (time to strip it down and reset).  

carson still may not be part of that process  

I thought it was interesting how Jeffrey admitted they knew full well that keeping the band together was going to create future pain (what we are feeling now) and that they were sort of making a deal with the devil to chase a 2nd Lombardi. 
 

I think Doug is still trying to keep that band playing on offense and Jeffrey is saying "nope, time to blow it up,”. I still think, depending on what offers they might get, that Carson could be here for the long term rebuild or turn into assets for the rebuild. 

This is exactly how I took Jeff's Presser. He was stating, Doug wanted to keep mortgaging the future for the chance to win now. And Jeff looks at where we are, and says no, we need to rebuild. Jeff is right. It also means that some of Howie's moves may have been what DOUG wanted to do. Jeff also mentioned that guys that were on the team but did not play in the SB , they were trying to give those guys a chance to play in the SB. (JP, Sproles, Wentz etc...) with the same core players.  We all knew the rebuild should have started at end of last season, when we were down to Practice squad WR's. 

It definitely tells me, it was DOUG wanting to keep pushing Alshon, Djax and JP back out onto the field. And he would have done so again. Wentz's issue with Doug may very well be that he was developing good chemistry with Fulgham, and Doug sits him over Alshon?  Wentz may have had an issue with that, like many of us did.

You can also blame Doug  for playing JP over Mailata, bringing Djax back in for a few plays in a couple of games just to get injured again. You could see it in his play calling 55 Passes to 9 runs, when your oline was a turnstile of Backups, and your wr's are young and inexperienced. 

 

I get what they were trying to do, it failed. Doug wasn't living in the reality, time to move on. Good for Jeff.

 

Now that doesn't explain why Howie is still here, Drafting Reagor over Jefferson, JJAW over- almost anyone. Hurts over a player who could have helped the core this year? 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It’s with the report, that there was a physical confrontation on the sidelines.   

Yup. That was my point. 🙂

 

 

Just now, greend said:

Honestly Parrot you're starting to sound like a hater. Where are you getting this power struggle BS? From what I read Doug was going to promote people that shouldn't have been promoted to potions they shouldn't have and that was the final straw. Nothing to do with Wentz.

Maybe.  But from Pederson's standpoint, he prefers to promote from within, with coaches he trusts, etc.  Pretty sure he was done with being told who he could and who he couldn't have on his staff.  Especially since the Eagles tell the media that his coaching staff are his decisions....when apparently, they are not. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This is exactly how I took Jeff's Presser. He was stating, Doug wanted to keep mortgaging the future for the chance to win now. And Jeff looks at where we are, and says no, we need to rebuild. Jeff is right. It also means that some of Howie's moves may have been what DOUG wanted to do. Jeff also mentioned that guys that were on the team but did not play in the SB , they were trying to give those guys a chance to play in the SB. (JP, Sproles, Wentz etc...) with the same core players.  We all knew the rebuild should have started at end of last season, when we were down to Practice squad WR's. 

It definitely tells me, it was DOUG wanting to keep pushing Alshon, Djax and JP back out onto the field. And he would have done so again. Wentz's issue with Doug may very well be that he was developing good chemistry with Fulgham, and Doug sits him over Alshon?  Wentz may have had an issue with that, like many of us did.

You can also blame Doug  for playing JP over Mailata, bringing Djax back in for a few plays in a couple of games just to get injured again. You could see it in his play calling 55 Passes to 9 runs, when your oline was a turnstile of Backups, and your wr's are young and inexperienced. 

 

I get what they were trying to do, it failed. Doug wasn't living in the reality, time to move on. Good for Jeff.

 

Now that doesn't explain why Howie is still here, Drafting Reagor over Jefferson, JJAW over- almost anyone. Hurts over a player who could have helped the core this year? 

I think that is  a great take.  After they went all in the year after the SB and didn't get it done, the rebuild should have been aggressive.  They waited a year or two too long.  

5 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Interesting.  Haven't seen the buddy, buddy thing with Roseman before.   Where did you see that one?

It's been reported other places but here's a story that dates back to before the season: https://www.inquirer.com/sports/why-eagles-took-jalen-hurts-nfl-draft-after-carson-wentz-deal-20200801.html 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Maybe.  But from Pederson's standpoint, he prefers to promote from within, with coaches he trusts, etc.  Pretty sure he was done with being told who he could and who he couldn't have on his staff.  Especially since the Eagles tell the media that his coaching staff are his decisions....when apparently, they are not. 

Thats fair, But just because he wanted to do something, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Jeff certainly didn't think so, and I agree with Jeff here. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's been reported other places but here's a story that dates back to before the season: https://www.inquirer.com/sports/why-eagles-took-jalen-hurts-nfl-draft-after-carson-wentz-deal-20200801.html 

Thanks.  I don't quite see that as buddy, buddy, but I get your idea.  They clearly have a trusted relationship.   I'm not sure that I see Riley as a surefire NFL hit, but it definitely will be an exciting name to watch.

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Said it clearly yesterday.

Trading for Anderson instead of Tate would have been the better move. Then maybe you could have extended Anderson and avoided a lot of this WR nonsense we're in now.

But I don't believe Anderson was an option in FA. I seem to recall he wanted to reunite with Rhule, and a quick Google seems to confirm this:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/how-matt-rhule-recruited-robby-anderson-to-sign-with-panthers

Would you have paid more than $12 million a year to get him? How much more would it have cost considering it seems he wanted to be Rhule as well? 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Trading for Anderson instead of Tate would have been the better move. Then maybe you could have extended Anderson and avoided a lot of this WR nonsense we're in now.

But I don't believe Anderson was an option in FA. I seem to recall he wanted to reunite with Rhule, and a quick Google seems to confirm this:

https://www.nfl.com/videos/how-matt-rhule-recruited-robby-anderson-to-sign-with-panthers

Would you have paid more than $12 million a year to get him? How much more would it have cost considering it seems he wanted to be Rhule as well? 

Whatever they would have had to pay him, it would have been cheaper than signing Hargrave.

3 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

It’s going to be interesting. Now that Carson appears to have won the power struggle, I can’t wait to see how he performs.

Since he all but blamed Doug for his dog ish play, he better be ready to ball out now that his scapegoat is gone.

I’ll have my popcorn ready.

If you really listen to Lurie's statements about his vision vs Doug's vision, it sounds like the master plan is to acquire draft picks and rebuild over the next few seasons. Of course he's afraid to say the R-word, but his description is a rebuild process. That leads me to believe that Wentz isn't part of the "vision." In other words, right now Doug is out and it still looks like Wentz is out. If the Eagles do indeed hire Riley, the pieces all come together (for Lurie's vision). 

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

Whatever they would have had to pay him, it would have been cheaper than signing Hargrave.

Considering Hargrave's contract is $39 million for 3 years, you're clearly wrong. 

Just now, brkmsn said:

If you really listen to Lurie's statements about his vision vs Doug's vision, it sounds like the master plan is to acquire draft picks and rebuild over the next few seasons. Of course he's afraid to say the R-word, but his description is a rebuild process. That leads me to believe that Wentz isn't part of the "vision." In other words, right now Doug is out and it still looks like Wentz is out. If the Eagles do indeed hire Riley, the pieces all come together (for Lurie's vision). 

I dont get the bolded out of it. He left the door open for all possibilities. Wentz is still in his 20's, QB's play well into their 30's, so I believe you are reading something into something that isn't there. He clearly was non committal either way, stating something like: that should not be the owners decision. 

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I dont get the bolded out of it. He left the door open for all possibilities. Wentz is still in his 20's, QB's play well into their 30's, so I believe you are reading something into something that isn't there. He clearly was non committal either way, stating something like: that should not be the owners decision. 

I think whoever the new coach is will have a chance to redeem Wentz. Too much money sunk into him, you have to see if a new coach can turn him around. If he can't, then he's likely gone end of next year and we're looking for a QB. 

There's not a QB worthy of the 6th pick this year (IMO), and there's too many other needs on the team to take a QB anywhere in the first 2 days. I have no issue with like, a 5th/6th round dart throw, and frankly they should do that almost every year to see if they can find a diamond in the rough. But after sinking huge money into Wentz, and a 2nd rounder into Hurts last year, they just can't waste more resources on QB again this year. At least I sure as hell hope not. 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

I dont get the bolded out of it. He left the door open for all possibilities. Wentz is still in his 20's, QB's play well into their 30's, so I believe you are reading something into something that isn't there. He clearly was non committal either way, stating something like: that should not be the owners decision. 

I agree about QBs and don't fall into the age = regression trap. However,  I read this:

"I would say the difference in vision is much more about where we’re at as a franchise,” Lurie said. "As I said, we’re at that point. It’s a transition point and we’ve got to get younger and we have to have a lot more volume of draft picks and we have to accumulate as much talent as we possibly can that is going to work in the long run with a focus on the mid-term and the long term and not on how to maximize 2021. And it’s almost not fair to Doug, because his vision has to be: what can I do to fix this right away and what coaches can I have that can help me get to a smoother 2021?”

That leads me to believe he will use assets to acquire draft picks. Wentz is an obvious one, since moving forward, it would be good to get his contract off the books. It is possible that we keep Wentz for 2021, try to showcase an improved version and then listen to offers after the season, but it sounds like they'd prefer to go all in with the new vision. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think whoever the new coach is will have a chance to redeem Wentz. Too much money sunk into him, you have to see if a new coach can turn him around. If he can't, then he's likely gone end of next year and we're looking for a QB. 

Only if we don't get a good trade offer. It's not all about money, some is about picks.

Salah getting the Jets job is a win for us, as we won't hire a defensive coach (even though many of us would like that).

Didn't catch a lot of the game last night, but some in here mentioned Wyatt Davis went down? Any news there? Could he fall to us in the 2nd? 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I agree about QBs and don't fall into the age = regression trap. However,  I read this:

"I would say the difference in vision is much more about where we’re at as a franchise,” Lurie said. "As I said, we’re at that point. It’s a transition point and we’ve got to get younger and we have to have a lot more volume of draft picks and we have to accumulate as much talent as we possibly can that is going to work in the long run with a focus on the mid-term and the long term and not on how to maximize 2021. And it’s almost not fair to Doug, because his vision has to be: what can I do to fix this right away and what coaches can I have that can help me get to a smoother 2021?”

That leads me to believe he will use assets to acquire draft picks. Wentz is an obvious one, since moving forward, it would be good to get his contract off the books. It is possible that we keep Wentz for 2021, try to showcase an improved version and then listen to offers after the season, but it sounds like they'd prefer to go all in with the new vision. 

we will see, but I always look at QB separately. Mainly because getting a franchise QB is harder to do in reality. So when you have one, you do what you can to support that guy, keep him around.

Lurie also said that if you look at the history of QB,s many have down years in their 4th or 5th season. He specifically mentioned TD to INT ratio as an example, brought up names like Ben, and (I cant remember the other name) 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

we will see, but I always look at QB separately. Mainly because getting a franchise QB is harder to do in reality. So when you have one, you do what you can to support that guy, keep him around.

Lurie also said that if you look at the history of QB,s many have down years in their 4th or 5th season. He specifically mentioned TD to INT ratio as an example, brought up names like Ben, and (I cant remember the other name) 

I'm no insider and I, personally, would keep Wentz. But their interest in Riley seems to offer support for Lurie's "vision" and since Riley was a big influence in the Eagles drafting Reagor and Hurts, I would think Wentz would be on the outside looking in. It will be interesting to see what happens, but I'd say don't get too attached to anybody at this time. 

Some people will look at an organisation such as the Eagles and think, heck no, not for me.  Others will see an opportunity to take a Franchise QB and Make Wentz Great Again 😉.  It's the same with the Jets, Jags, Falcons, etc. Most teams with free coaching positions will have issues.

Let's see.  Some of the media reaction has been funny to read. Lots of people with sources all cover different people's asses.

Whether this is true or not is unknown, But it would explain why Jeff gives Howie a pass. something I alluded to earlier. That possibly Howie was making the Moves DOUG wanted. 

 

It would explain why Doug is gone and Howie is still here. Or it's just an excuse to take heat off of Howie. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm no insider and I, personally, would keep Wentz. But their interest in Riley seems to offer support for Lurie's "vision" and since Riley was a big influence in the Eagles drafting Reagor and Hurts, I would think Wentz would be on the outside looking in. It will be interesting to see what happens, but I'd say don't get too attached to anybody at this time. 

To me, actions always speak louder than words, or speculation.  So time will tell.