1 minute ago, BGDutchNorris said:

Why is nobody blaming the TV folks for flexing us? As soon as that happened I thought they didn't know we had no chance of the playoffs. That game had 1pm written all over it

I certainly do. No way I wanted to stay up for that crapfest

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like to amend my statement form March where i said this was a two year rebuild to getting back to being a SB contender. If both are back, wentz and Hurts are back then this is a 3 year rebuild. Cause they d**ked around for a year knowing that 2021 was likely going to be a rough season due to the cap situation they are currently in and one draft class isn’t fixing all these issues 

I say longer than 3. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Doug's coaching has been terrible including knowing how to handle 2 point conversions and when to go for it vs. when not to in the past couple of years.  His playcalling isn't based on setting up future plays to work off of previous plays.  We finally saw a Greg Ward trick pass, but it was in a meaningless game.  Doug's communication skills are severely lacking.  Then, there's Howie who in today's press conference said they have missed on "some picks" when it has been most picks.  And, Howie didn't take any individual accountability. He kept using "we", yet he has final say in personnel.

1 minute ago, greend said:

You don't lie either. He could have said what goes on between me and Carson will be kept between us. 

Thats an admission

doug lacks polish in coach speaking. He could do better at talking and saying nothing

26 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Chase reminds me a lot of Sammy Watkins coming out. Prototype WR's that shined immensely despite a lot of talent around him.  There's not a lot of questions around him, outside of the sitting the year thing.

Smith is interesting, he might have had the best single season campaign since Fitz's last year at Pitt.

Smith was a better WR at Alabama than: Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, and Metchie

IMO he has been the best WR in the country for 2 straight seasons.   Hes legit. id be overjoyed to get him

 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

When Doug won the Super Bowl the overall thought was that he was going to be a beloved legend... don’t think that’s happening anymore. 

Hell no. It was likely a collective of great things happening all at once

It's pretty clear that Doug isn't on Belichick or even ARs level

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Don’t bother.  I will say the same thing I said after Howie grabbed Reagor instead of Jefferson.  That’s water under the bridge, now let’s make the best of what we have.  There are skill sets that made JJAW and Reagor draftable.   The Eagles need to utilize those.  People scoff at Pederson saying he needs to coach more to the players’ strengths. He does.  So does his OC and DC. And for the love of the football gods, enough with the over analytics.  I think that has killed Fipp’s coaching.  

Yeah... that's not exactly water under the bridge now... instead it stands as yet another indictment against Howie's ability to draft, and stands as another exhibit for why he should be FIRED, or at least removed from ALL football operations (because he can't handle the contracts very well either... too much money paid to too many vets who are too far past their prime and too much dead money guaranteed at the end of too many contracts).

 

We can discuss how Reagor can develop as a separate issue.  But, Reagor over Jefferson is not water under the bridge as far as job security for Lurie's lap dog.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Thats an admission

doug lacks polish in coach speaking. He could do better at talking and saying nothing

We'll agree on the last part.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

When Doug won the Super Bowl the overall thought was that he was going to be a beloved legend... don’t think that’s happening anymore. 

Depends on if he shows he can adapt. He got the first SB, he makes some more deep runs and who knows. Now if you thought repeat or 2 in 3/2 in 4 then yeah that didn't happen.

3 minutes ago, BGDutchNorris said:

Why is nobody blaming the TV folks for flexing us? As soon as that happened I thought they didn't know we had no chance of the playoffs. That game had 1pm written all over it

And part of the fuss is because it knocked out a NY/NJ team. The NY/NJ teams have been bad for a while now, so the media probably wants the story of the Giants getting in. The NFL probably would want the ratings of the Giants getting in. So, if the NFL does punish the Eagles, it could be politically based. If we played a game that impacted a small market team like Carolina, there wouldn't be much fuss at all.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What has become of Sports Illustrated? My goodness, get over it.  

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/04/philadelphia-eagles-week-17-farce-not-acceptable?fbclid=IwAR37xtRRuuMavvzelwz7SeVnvyWAji-qow2HnlFKj5EVRATPXjSm9DnjlHk

lol, an effective Jalen Hurts who was successfully navigating one of the most aggressive defensive lines in the league.

7/20 for 72 yards, 3.6 average 0TD/1INT

8 rushes for 34 yards, 4.3 ypc 2 TD's.

How can they bench such effectiveness through 3 quarters?!?!

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Smith was a better WR at Alabama than: Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, and Metchie

IMO he has been the best WR in the country for 2 straight seasons.   Hes legit. id be overjoyed to get him

 

He’s the same age as Jeudy and Ruggs, who played ahead of him and were drafted later than he’ll go this year.  Both were also sturdier and faster. 
 

I see zero value for Smith top 10 personally.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

If a GM doesn't want to draft Sewell, Chase, Lance, etc for sitting out, he should be fired.

The question for me isn't about not drafting them, but about investing a top 5 pick in them.... They have some work to do in the pre-draft process to prove a lot of things, including whether or not they are dedicated to football, or just what football can get them.  

When a team decides to play, but the player makes a business decision to sit out... that's a red flag to me.   Sure, it might not mean anything, or it could mean everything.   I would investigate it deeply and not just judge them by tape from over a full year before.   I would need to get inside their heads.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

False.  Wyatt Davis did not opt out.  He's played in all 7 games.

 

The rest of them... yeah, I've questioned anyone who opts out of even a bowl game, let alone an entire season.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/roster/wyatt-davis/

 

I guess he opted back in? I know he opted out at some point, but didn't realize he ended up playing.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like to amend my statement form March where i said this was a two year rebuild to getting back to being a SB contender. If both are back, wentz and Hurts are back then this is a 3 year rebuild. Cause they d**ked around for a year knowing that 2021 was likely going to be a rough season due to the cap situation they are currently in and one draft class isn’t fixing all these issues 

It might be a 4 year, because it might take them a full year to dig out of the 1 year that they dug in and didn't make any changes.

Hurts needs a year to learn how to play NFL football, and a top QB coach who can refine his mechanics. He's able to make almost any NFL throw but the deep out, and only a handful have that kind of arm strength, somehow Brady, Brees, Peyton in his later years managed to survive without a cannon. His mechanics are a bit funky, but nothing that can't be cleaned up. And his mobility is special, he has the body and runs like a power back, which bodes well for his durability (unlike say Murray with a smaller frame).

But he shouldn't start in 2021 unless you dislike him.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t be thrilled whatsoever. However Im not 100 percent sure goedert is destined to be here long term either. Just cause ertz is gone doesn’t mean goedert is the guy. I like goedert but he’s also has had a lot of injuries in his time here and they might not think he’s worth the money he’s asking for in his second contract

I've been saying this for a few weeks now and I'll write my proposal again.

-Trade Dallas Goedert for a 2nd and a 4th.  (Like you said, he's had a lot of injuries and he's going to cost a TON)  Hayden Hurst brought back a 2nd and 5th last year.

-Trade Ertz for a 3rd or 4th.  4th is more realistic.

-Trade down to 10-12 (plus a 2nd) and draft Kyle Pitts.   

-Bring back Dick Rod on a 2-year deal.

This gives the Eagles 3 2nd round picks and gets back the 4th they lost for Avery.  This is the perfect way to build a new young core to the team. You're going to have Pitts on an $18 million contract or so rather than Goedert at $60 million, plus 3 extra draft picks.  

It's not sexy at all, I know everyone is saying why a tight end in round 1 or why trade DG but signing a tight end to a top 5 contract is a luxury the Eagles can't afford right now.

 

24 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Am I the only person who finds Ertz’s so called "emotional” presser bizarre? He’s behaving like he is about to hit free agency even though he still has a year left on his deal and is the party (reportedly) demanding a pay raise or a trade.

You say you love this city so much but you want to either be paid like (at least) the third best TE in football or be traded to another city. That seems nonsensical to me.

I understand wanting a pay raise - makes total sense to most folks. But getting all emotional about leaving when it sounds like it’s a decision that you are actively forcing is weird.

Maybe it's regret, I'll say I don't think I've cried about it but there's definitely been times I say to myself damn maybe I acted like a **** and went about it the wrong way (after the fact).

Maybe he is just an emotional dude, he cried after the NFC Championship game when he saw his wife's reaction. 

I'm sure that whole postgame field pow wow was about the extreme lows of this season, unless your team really sucks you never saw this coming in training camp when your getting hyped for the upcoming season. I'm not taking up for him but this year was a huge let down in so many ways. I don't think there is one player cleaning out their locker today with a smile on their face or thinking they did everything they could, because IMO every coach and player fell short in some way. 

3 minutes ago, BGDutchNorris said:

You're right you didn't say "no chance" my bad. But I still feel like we've had success before no reason we can't again. People need to adapt. Howie needs to stop fighting that voice in his head. But I'm not ready to assume next year will be trash too. Let's just see how the offseason shakes out and we can be doom and gloom if it looks that way.

I agree. On one hand I think the fanbase could benefit from lowering our expectations a bit, after all we have made the playoffs 3 straight years including a SB run. 
 

On the other hand, when you charge what the Eagles charge for their tickets then you better compete every year for a freaking SB. We will lower our expectations when they stop charging $300 for nosebleeds to see the washington football team. 

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Smith was a better WR at Alabama than: Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, and Metchie

IMO he has been the best WR in the country for 2 straight seasons.   Hes legit. id be overjoyed to get him

 

You will be disappointed when the Eagles draft a OT or DT/DE in the 1st rd. 

 

It's what they do. 

Things are going to get bad for a while.

The best asset for turning this around are the fans, actually.  The Philly fans and media are far too combustible to tolerate 10 years of bad picks and no playoffs moving forward, like Cleveland/Cincinnati/Buffalo.  There would be riots in the streets.  
 

But the immediate horizon is going to get ugly.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

It might be a 4 year, because it might take them a full year to dig out of the 1 year that they dug in and didn't make any changes.

Possible. I tend to think whoever comes in after 2021 as long as you have a franchise QB in place can likely get out turned around if he has success in his first two draft classes (likely high picks) and at that point hopefully cap space 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Hurts needs a year to learn how to play NFL football, and a top QB coach who can refine his mechanics. He's able to make almost any NFL throw but the deep out, and only a handful have that kind of arm strength, somehow Brady, Brees, Peyton in his later years managed to survive without a cannon. His mechanics are a bit funky, but nothing that can't be cleaned up. And his mobility is special, he has the body and runs like a power back, which bodes well for his durability (unlike say Murray with a smaller frame).

But he shouldn't start in 2021 unless you dislike him.

Not even close. But carry on - as you do.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess he opted back in? I know he opted out at some point, but didn't realize he ended up playing.

When the Big 10 cancelled their season, he declared for the draft.   When the Big 10 came back, he came back.    And if the Big 10 had never come back to play, I wouldn't have dinged him in the evaluation process.   He can't be held responsible for the decisions made by his conference.  Guys like Chase, however, whose team and conference did play and they chose not to play are a big difference.   

They are all within their rights to make such a decision.  But, for the pre-draft process, for me they will have to defend their decision and it needs to be a very, very good explanation.  

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts needs a year to learn how to play NFL football, and a top QB coach who can refine his mechanics. He's able to make almost any NFL throw but the deep out, and only a handful have that kind of arm strength, somehow Brady, Brees, Peyton in his later years managed to survive without a cannon. His mechanics are a bit funky, but nothing that can't be cleaned up. And his mobility is special, he has the body and runs like a power back, which bodes well for his durability (unlike say Murray with a smaller frame).

But he shouldn't start in 2021 unless you dislike him.

Hurts doesn’t even have special mobility.  He’s mobile and a nice runner for a qb.

Murray and Jackson have special mobility.  They run like WRs.  
 

Hurts runs like a mobile qb.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts needs a year to learn how to play NFL football, and a top QB coach who can refine his mechanics. He's able to make almost any NFL throw but the deep out, and only a handful have that kind of arm strength, somehow Brady, Brees, Peyton in his later years managed to survive without a cannon. His mechanics are a bit funky, but nothing that can't be cleaned up. And his mobility is special, he has the body and runs like a power back, which bodes well for his durability (unlike say Murray with a smaller frame).

But he shouldn't start in 2021 unless you dislike him.

None of those guys run/ran