18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we sure Goedert can stay healthy enough to be TE1? Seems like he's always showing up on the injury report. 

That's football. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Interesting question, I would have to go with Westbrook goes down at the 1.  It was the right thing to do.

 

 

Greg Ward. Pick a play. 

2022 Free agent TE's (not including guys like Gronk who probably isn't leaving TB or Graham who is 36)

Ertz, Goedert, Ebron, Thomas, Howard, Engram, Njoku, Geisicki, Andrews, Hurst

That's a crowded bunch. Some will get re-signed, some will hit the market. It will be interesting to see if there are more players than teams willing to sign these guys to big $$ deals. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Drafting a developmental backup TE in the midrounds to play behind Goedert is a far better position to be in than heading into 2022 needing to land a TE in the draft with teams knowing that's a hole and not letting you address the other needs you already have on the team going forward. 

I hear what you're saying and sure that's a better position but I don't think it's the best way to go.  Goedert is getting $10 million/year.  The Eagles don't have the luxury of paying top tight end dollars when they still have so many other issues with the roster.

The following players all need new contracts after this season and are looking to play big roles in 2021.  Not that I want them all back but this list includes.

Mailata

Sweat

Barnett

Maddox

Fulgham

Singleton

Ward

 

Even if you bring back all of those guys you still need:

CB2 and maybe even CB1 (Slay is going to be 31 with next to nothing as far as young talent)

Safety, maybe 2

DE

DT

QB2

 

Then you have to consider Miles Sanders.  I don't think they let him walk, rather I see them giving him a fair market deal and then in 2022 you have Hurts in year 3....probably looking to lock him up if he shows he's a capable starter.

 

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

His punt

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but that 91-yard punt against the Giants would be a good choice. It was a nice punt with the wind at his back. I think it went about sixty yards in the air with good-but-not-great hangtime. It's something you pretty much see once or twice a game nowadays. It's nice, but it's not anything rare, especially considering the wind at his back. The Eagles were just super lucky that Dave Meggett let the ball bounce, and then watched it bounce and bounce and bounce some more before finally picking it up and being engulfed by Eagles defenders.

It worked out great for the Eagles, especially considering the Giants fumbled a couple plays later leading to an Eagles score. But it wasn't some Herculean punt by Cunningham, who was actually a pretty crappy punter, truth be told. He was a very good punter for someone who wasn't a punter. But compared to guys who did it as their profession, he really paled in comparison.

Just now, bpac55 said:

I hear what you're saying and sure that's a better position but I don't think it's the best way to go.  Goedert is getting $10 million/year.  The Eagles don't have the luxury of paying top tight end dollars when they still have so many other issues with the roster.

The following players all need new contracts after this season and are looking to play big roles in 2021.  Not that I want them all back but this list includes.

Mailata

Sweat

Barnett

Maddox

Fulgham

Singleton

Ward

 

Even if you bring back all of those guys you still need:

CB2 and maybe even CB1 (Slay is going to be 31 with next to nothing as far as young talent)

Safety, maybe 2

DE

DT

QB2

 

Then you have to consider Miles Sanders.  I don't think they let him walk, rather I see them giving him a fair market deal and then in 2022 you have Hurts in year 3....probably looking to lock him up if he shows he's a capable starter.

 

 

 

I think you greatly underestimate the importance of a good tight end. Also giving Goedert an long term deal is a much smarter idea than giving Sanders one if you are making it a one or the other scenario. 

 

Also lol at putting guys like Singleton, Ward, Fulgham, Maddox, Sweat and Barnett as higher priorities than Goedert. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hear what you're saying and sure that's a better position but I don't think it's the best way to go.  Goedert is getting $10 million/year.  The Eagles don't have the luxury of paying top tight end dollars when they still have so many other issues with the roster.

The following players all need new contracts after this season and are looking to play big roles in 2021.  Not that I want them all back but this list includes.

Mailata

Sweat

Barnett

Maddox

Fulgham

Singleton

Ward

 

Even if you bring back all of those guys you still need:

CB2 and maybe even CB1 (Slay is going to be 31 with next to nothing as far as young talent)

Safety, maybe 2

DE

DT

QB2

 

Then you have to consider Miles Sanders.  I don't think they let him walk, rather I see them giving him a fair market deal and then in 2022 you have Hurts in year 3....probably looking to lock him up if he shows he's a capable starter.

 

7 of our projected Defensive starters are FA's next year. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

2022 Free agent TE's (not including guys like Gronk who probably isn't leaving TB or Graham who is 36)

Ertz, Goedert, Ebron, Thomas, Howard, Engram, Njoku, Geisicki, Andrews, Hurst

That's a crowded bunch. Some will get re-signed, some will hit the market. It will be interesting to see if there are more players than teams willing to sign these guys to big $$ deals. 

I wrote a big post about TE about a week ago mentioning just this.  I think Mark Andrews sets the market.  He's so important for Lamar Jackson.  

Goedert holds every ounce of leverage right now against the Eagles.

They really have dug themselves a hole at TE.  This all started when they drafted Goedert and continued when Howie overplayed his cards with an Ertz trade.

 

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but that 91-yard punt against the Giants would be a good choice. It was a nice punt with the wind at his back. I think it went about sixty yards in the air with good-but-not-great hangtime. It's something you pretty much see once or twice a game nowadays. It's nice, but it's not anything rare, especially considering the wind at his back. The Eagles were just super lucky that Dave Meggett let the ball bounce, and then watched it bounce and bounce and bounce some more before finally picking it up and being engulfed by Eagles defenders.

It worked out great for the Eagles, especially considering the Giants fumbled a couple plays later leading to an Eagles score. But it wasn't some Herculean punt by Cunningham, who was actually a pretty crappy punter, truth be told. He was a very good punter for someone who wasn't a punter. But compared to guys who did it as their profession, he really paled in comparison.

Nope, I was being serious. For a QB who was backed up in his endzone it's noteworthy but like you said, almost half the distance was because it had perfect bounces that went his way. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I think you greatly underestimate the importance of a good tight end. Also giving Goedert an long term deal is a much smarter idea than giving Sanders one if you are making it a one or the other scenario. 

 

Also lol at putting guys like Singleton, Ward, Fulgham, Maddox, Sweat and Barnett as higher priorities than Goedert. 

I'm not underestimating the importance of a good tight end.  I also know that the Eagles did very well with the likes of Chad Lewis and Brent Celek.

I'm not putting those players as individuals as higher priorities but they all have roles on this team that have to either be replaced or re-signed with increases in pay. 

If you lose Sweat and Barnett then you're stuck with 34 year old BG at DE and nothing else.

Losing Ward and Fulgham would mean your 3rd and 4th WR are gone.

Singleton and Maddox are starters on defense.  

Again, not saying I want them back but if they go, then you need to replace them.

This team is still facing a serious uphill battle.

52 minutes ago, blindside said:

In what bizarro world is "4th and 26” overrated? It was a phenomenal play. Bad defensive play call, maybe.. but perfect throw and catch in traffic with two defenders. It’s one of the best plays in eagles history, behind a bunch of Nick Foles’ throws in the super bowl. 

I don't think overrated is the right term. It was an awesome moment and it sparked a great comeback victory. But there's just something about it that makes it not hold up for me. I guess that would be the fact that they lost so lethargically the following week. So the whole postseason kind of became disappointing to look back at.

One aspect about the play that stands out to me was the way the fans in attendance seemed to react slowly to the result. It was sort of like "Oh, Mitchell caught the ball. Well, that's nice I guess...and then there was a hesitation and a sudden realization that he not only caught it but actually got the first down." For people watching on television, they have the advantage of the yellow line on the screen. So they know. But fans in the stands don't have that benefit. It just took a while to process, kind of like the last play in the Super Bowl when we were all excited that the ball hit the ground and a few beats later realized that the game was actually over and we didn't have to let Brady have another shot at it.

49 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It can be, yeah. 

We're already tight on cap space moving forward. Would rather not spend it on Goedert who has questionable hands and is good, albeit not the player this fanbase makes him out to be.

Now, before you go "Well if he's not that good, he won't make much money" I'd advise looking at recent TE contracts.

I absolutely disagree with the bolded here. In fact, I would suggest that Goedert is largely underrated. I think he's damn good. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

7 of our projected Defensive starters are FA's next year. 

The remaining starters

BG- 34 $9 million cap hit

Cox- 31 with $23 million cap hit

Hargrave- 29 $18 million cap hit

Slay - 31 $22 million cap hit

4 starters (3 over 30) eating up $72 million

9 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but that 91-yard punt against the Giants would be a good choice. It was a nice punt with the wind at his back. I think it went about sixty yards in the air with good-but-not-great hangtime. It's something you pretty much see once or twice a game nowadays. It's nice, but it's not anything rare, especially considering the wind at his back. The Eagles were just super lucky that Dave Meggett let the ball bounce, and then watched it bounce and bounce and bounce some more before finally picking it up and being engulfed by Eagles defenders.

It worked out great for the Eagles, especially considering the Giants fumbled a couple plays later leading to an Eagles score. But it wasn't some Herculean punt by Cunningham, who was actually a pretty crappy punter, truth be told. He was a very good punter for someone who wasn't a punter. But compared to guys who did it as their profession, he really paled in comparison.

He wasn't asked to punt like traditional Punters when Ryan used him. He stood a little closer to the line and got the punt off quickly. But Cunningham actually had the talent to be an NFL punter --- which was why he wasn't a bad 2nd round pick. Here's his college stats:

Punting & Kicking

 

• * indicates bowl stats included

						Punting			Kicking
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Punts	Yds	Avg	XPM	XPA	XP%	FGM	FGA	FG%	Pts
Career	UNLV					145	6554	45.2
1982	UNLV	PCAA		QB	11	27	1233	45.7
1983	UNLV	PCAA		QB	11	56	2435	43.5
*1984	UNLV	PCAA		QB	13	62	2886	46.5

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not underestimating the importance of a good tight end.  I also know that the Eagles did very well with the likes of Chad Lewis and Brent Celek.

I'm not putting those players as individuals as higher priorities but they all have roles on this team that have to either be replaced or re-signed with increases in pay. 

If you lose Sweat and Barnett then you're stuck with 34 year old BG at DE and nothing else.

Losing Ward and Fulgham would mean your 3rd and 4th WR are gone.

Singleton and Maddox are starters on defense.  

Again, not saying I want them back but if they go, then you need to replace them.

This team is still facing a serious uphill battle.

 

Ward isn't going to be expensive at all to re-sign.  They could probably also very easily extend Fulgham on a very inexpensive deal right now if they wanted to.  

 

Sweat and Barnett give me far greater concern on re-signing then Goedert does.  They should sign one of those two and definitely invest a high draft pick in the defensive line in the near future.  But they aren't in a position where they have to choose between one of Sweat and Barnett and Goedert.

 

Singleton and Maddox are so completely replacement level players that I'm not getting rid of a young entering his prime talent in Goedert because I'm scare of missing out on players like Singleton and Maddox.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this board in awhile.  

 

The Eagles need to go heavy on the defense next draft.  They really don't have any young cornerstone players on that side of the ball.  They need to get those through the draft while keeping offensive cornerstone players like Goedert in house.  

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ward isn't going to be expensive at all to re-sign.  They could probably also very easily extend Fulgham on a very inexpensive deal right now if they wanted to.  

 

Sweat and Barnett give me far greater concern on re-signing then Goedert does.  They should sign one of those two and definitely invest a high draft pick in the defensive line in the near future.  But they aren't in a position where they have to choose between one of Sweat and Barnett and Goedert.

 

Singleton and Maddox are so completely replacement level players that I'm not getting rid of a young entering his prime talent in Goedert because I'm scare of missing out on players like Singleton and Maddox.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this board in awhile.  

 

You aren't reading what I typed.

I don't want Maddox and Singleton back.  However, if they leave then you need CB2 and a starting LB.  

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You aren't reading what I typed.

I don't want Maddox and Singleton back.  However, if they leave then you need CB2 and a starting LB.  

 

We already need a CB2.  Maddox isn't a CB2.  Neither is Singleton really a starting LB besides being the best of a really really bad group that we had last year.  These are positions the Eagles need to address in the draft going forward.  These are not players that should be in the Eagles long term vision.  They are completely replaceable players that should be replaced.  

 

If you want to dump someone for draft picks that you don't want to pay then do it with someone older like Cox or Lane Johnson who still have some value but might start hitting a decline in their career in the next couple years.  You don't do it with someone that you drafted that is about to enter their prime at a key position.  You keep that player because they will make your team better over the course of their next contract.  

54 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He is a top 10 tight end in the league just about to enter his prime with potential of being a top 3-5 TE in the league.  No idea where this questionable hands absurdity comes from, he has made some of the most impressive catches for anyone on this team over the years.  He's also a great blocker. 

He is not a top ten TE in the league. That's not to say he's a bad TE, but no one in their right mind would put him in their top ten.

Goedert has made some good catches. He's also made some really inexcusable drops as well. Detroit a few years ago ring a bell?

Just now, Swoop said:

He is not a top ten TE in the league. That's not to say he's a bad TE, but no one in their right mind would put him in their top ten.

Goedert has made some good catches. He's also made some really inexcusable drops as well. Detroit a few years ago ring a bell?

 

I would absolutely put Goedert in the top 10 and he hasn't even had his breakout season yet.  

Show me a WR or TE that hasn't ever made some inexcusable drops.  But what was his drop against Detroit a few years ago?  I remember Nelson being terrible in that game dropping balls and flat out dropping a ball he caught with no one near him for a fumble and JJAW dropping the game winning TD but I don't recall a horrific Dallas Goedert drop.  

39 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hear what you're saying and sure that's a better position but I don't think it's the best way to go.  Goedert is getting $10 million/year.  The Eagles don't have the luxury of paying top tight end dollars when they still have so many other issues with the roster.

The following players all need new contracts after this season and are looking to play big roles in 2021.  Not that I want them all back but this list includes.

Mailata

Sweat

Barnett

Maddox

Fulgham

Singleton

Ward

 

Even if you bring back all of those guys you still need:

CB2 and maybe even CB1 (Slay is going to be 31 with next to nothing as far as young talent)

Safety, maybe 2

DE

DT

QB2

 

Then you have to consider Miles Sanders.  I don't think they let him walk, rather I see them giving him a fair market deal and then in 2022 you have Hurts in year 3....probably looking to lock him up if he shows he's a capable starter.

 

And by signing Goedert to a big deal, you handcuff your cap even more so that would force you to...

Draft for a need (secondary/defense).

All for a TE? No thanks.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I would absolutely put Goedert in the top 10 and he hasn't even had his breakout season yet.  

Show me a WR or TE that hasn't ever made some inexcusable drops.  But what was his drop against Detroit a few years ago?  I remember Nelson being terrible in that game dropping balls and flat out dropping a ball he caught with no one near him for a fumble and JJAW dropping the game winning TD but I don't recall a horrific Dallas Goedert drop.  

He was essentially wide open and dropped a would be TD pass.

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I would absolutely put Goedert in the top 10 and he hasn't even had his breakout season yet.  

Show me a WR or TE that hasn't ever made some inexcusable drops.  But what was his drop against Detroit a few years ago?  I remember Nelson being terrible in that game dropping balls and flat out dropping a ball he caught with no one near him for a fumble and JJAW dropping the game winning TD but I don't recall a horrific Dallas Goedert drop.  

Around 1:10

12 minutes ago, Swoop said:

And by signing Goedert to a big deal, you handcuff your cap even more so that would force you to...

Draft for a need (secondary/defense).

All for a TE? No thanks.

 

 

They already have to draft for a need in the secondary and on defense.  Getting rid of Goedert does nothing but make them still have to do that but also now having to draft for what would then be a major need at a very important position of tight end.  

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Around 1:10

 

 

Forgot about that but that video has everyone on the Eagles offense dropping a pass including Ertz.  I'm not going to take one drop from Goedert's rookie season and act like that defines him when he has in return made a number of highly impressive catches in his 3 years.  

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

They already have to draft for a need in the secondary and on defense.  Getting rid of Goedert does nothing but make them still have to do that but also now having to draft for what would then be a major need at a very important position of tight end.  

I think you overrate how important tight end is. I'd argue there are several positions more valuable. If the guy can block and has steady hands, that's enough. At least in my opinion.

My point is, seeing as how they have massive holes in their defense after this season, it would be nice to spend money in FA and do some patching there, rather than handicap themselves further with a Tight End who's "going to break out" and still hasn't.