5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I think with Goedert as he is right now could maybe get us a 3rd in a trade.  

I'd give him this year as the #1 TE and see what he does.  Not sure how much of a focal point TE's will be in this offense compared to Doug's. 

 

The Eagles would be wise to sign him to a new deal before the season and from the sounds of it that is exactly what they are going to do.  His price is only going to go up especially if you let him hit free agency.  

Indy used TEs, they just didn't invest in TEs.

They did sign Ebron to a 2yr/$15M contract after Detroit cut him in March 2018. Otherwise Doyle (UDFA on the roster), Alie-Cox (UDFA on the roster), picked up Noah Togiai on waivers, signed Burton to a 1yr/$1.05M contract. This offseason drafted Kylen Granson in the 4th rd.

They did throw to their TEs 119 times last year.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The Eagles would be wise to sign him to a new deal before the season and from the sounds of it that is exactly what they are going to do.  His price is only going to go up especially if you let him hit free agency.  

Question is what kind of deal and is he worth it? 

I had high hopes for him going into last season and he was disappointing.  Sure you can blame that on alot of things as the majority of the team was disappointing.  I'd just hate to give him a nice extension and we get the same thing from him we have since he came into the league.  I just wanna see him step up this year and prove he can be a top 5 TE like Ertz was.

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Question is what kind of deal and is he worth it? 

I had high hopes for him going into last season and he was disappointing.  Sure you can blame that on alot of things as the majority of the team was disappointing.  I'd just hate to give him a nice extension and we get the same thing from him we have since he came into the league.  I just wanna see him step up this year and prove he can be a top 5 TE like Ertz was.

 

Pay him around $10+ million a year.  You have to have the ability to project a player.  If you want to wait and see it first then you are going to end up paying a lot more than you would have beforehand.  It's not hard to see the ability and talent of Goedert and to be able to project the player he will be as the starter going forward heading into his prime at just 26 years old.  

34 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

He was also on pace for almost 100 targets 

Imagine how much more efficient he could be with better coaching, better QB play and better WRs around him. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Imagine how efficient he could be with better coaching, better QB play and better WRs around him. 

Or maybe he doesn’t  see so many targets with better receivers around him ?

that is why  I said even if Howard stayed healthy he won’t see the targets , anyone of Bucs TEs could have 65 receptions , hard to do when you have , Evans ,Godwin , AB ,Miller , two very young guys in Johnson and Darden , and you add one if the best receiving backs in the game in Bernard .

I am not knocking Godert , in fact I said he was top 10 area , I am defending other talented TEs who don’t see the targets 

 

8 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Or maybe he doesn’t  see so many targets with better receivers around him ?

that is why  I said even if Howard stayed healthy he won’t see the targets , anyone of Bucs TEs could have 65 receptions , hard to do when you have , Evans ,Godwin , AB ,Miller , two very young guys in Johnson and Darden , and you add one if the best receiving backs in the game in Bernard .

I am not knocking Godert , in fact I said he was top 10 area , I am defending other talented TEs who don’t see the targets 

 

He might not see more targets, but he might see a higher completion percentage, yards per target, TD, etc. all while being an elite blocker.

People are focused too much on counting stats. It’s clear Goedert is a top 10 TE to anyone who values a dominant blocker. He’s a damn good two-way player. 

13 hours ago, bpac55 said:

what take is that?   That DG isn't worth the money?

That you think the Eagles would benefit by not re-signing Goedert, who is a damn good player who has about five to eight prime years ahead of him. 

49 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The Eagles would be wise to sign him to a new deal before the season and from the sounds of it that is exactly what they are going to do.  His price is only going to go up especially if you let him hit free agency.  

I think they are too, Siri seemed to really like him even before he became the head coach. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He might not see more targets, but he might see a higher completion percentage, yards per target, TD, etc. all while being an elite blocker.

People are focused too much on counting stats. It’s clear Goedert is a top 10 TE to anyone who values a dominant blocker. He’s a damn good two-way player. 

He could , you work on your craft and you get better , that is what Tonyan has done , he is real good friends with Kittle and they workout together , plus he understand offense being a QB and WO before , players can get better  .

I appreciate blocking TEs ,  doesn’t get any better than Gronk  , not a fan of receiving TEs only , that goes for WOs too .

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I'm basing that purely on his potential.  Last year he was bad, no denying that.  I still like his upside..

Also, of those I bolded, I should have said they are better or on the same tier as DG.  The argument was that DG is a top 10 TE.  I just don't think he is.   Of the young FA TE this year I think Mark Andrews is the cream of the crop followed by Gesicki and then the rest, including DG are all on the same talent level just offering different things.

 

I think TE is a loose term these days 

I think what differentiates TEs in today's NFL are those who block and those who can't l.

If one cant block then ones skills better far outweigh ones limitations as a blocker.

A guy like Ertz who though weighing 250 pounds had always been a poor blocker.

Goedert showed to be a better blocker as a rookie and at this point is a better receiver than Ertz as well which is why Goedert to me has been more valuable than Ertz.

No one is keeping a TE to pass block anymore as they are using TEs as mismatch pieces in the pass game.

What makes a TE even more valuable is when he can consistently run block 

Gronk wasn't just an elite option in the pass game he was an elite run blocker for a TE as well 

Kittle is a really good run blocker as well.

A guy like Gisiki who also like ertz can't run block isn't really a TE, to me like ertz he's a big slot receiver 

Pitts should be much the same.

Though with Lowie reportedly wanting to pass the ball 60 times a game who needs a TE that can block???

 

Too bad we couldn't have Troy Vincent as our former player to take over as GM and get this team right. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

I think TE is a loose term these days 

I think what differentiates TEs in today's NFL are those who block and those who can't l.

If one cant block then ones skills better far outweigh ones limitations as a blocker.

A guy like Ertz who though weighing 250 pounds had always been a poor blocker.

Goedert showed to be a better blocker as a rookie and at this point is a better receiver than Ertz as well which is why Goedert to me has been more valuable than Ertz.

No one is keeping a TE to pass block anymore as they are using TEs as mismatch pieces in the pass game.

What makes a TE even more valuable is when he can consistently run block 

Gronk wasn't just an elite option in the pass game he was an elite run blocker for a TE as well 

Kittle is a really good run blocker as well.

A guy like Gisiki who also like ertz can't run block isn't really a TE, to me like ertz he's a big slot receiver 

Pitts should be much the same.

Though with Lowie reportedly wanting to pass the ball 60 times a game who needs a TE that can block???

 

Agreed. Comparing Goedert and Waller is apples to oranges. Different positions.

Troy Vincent on live right now with Glen & Ray 

23 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Agreed. Comparing Goedert and Waller is apples to oranges. Different positions.

Yup even Kelce isn't much of a blocker though he's better than Ertz.

Watching Kelce they line him up slot in the slot or out wide or as a tight Z on 3× 1 formations with him on the weakside or sometimes as one of the 3 in a bunch, run blocking from all these he's not matched up with DEs or Blocking MLBs he's blowing up corners and safeties and if teams are dumb enough to cover him with an OLB they audible to pass as Kelce on a LB on a pass is win for Kelce Everytime.

Meanwhile teams figured out they could just stay in nickel and cover Ertz with a nickel and not sorry about that mismatch in the run game 

One would think a 250 lb TE has the advantage in a run fit against a 200 pound DB but Ertz kept losing those battles, Kelce doesn't he obliterates DBs in the run game, same with Kittle.

Where as a guy like Gronk is do dangerous cuz he can dominate DEs in the run game as well as LBs DBs.

Ask Ertz to block a DE on a run and he gets beat almost every time, ask him to block a LB hell get beat ask him to block a DB he might get around to it.

Ertz is useless as a run blocker but his elite ability as a mismatch receiver used to outweigh his complete inability to block, it no longer does.

Goedert meanwhile can block DEs LBs DB he's not as dominant as say Gronk against a DE but who is anymore.

 

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

One would think a 250 lb TE has the advantage in a run fit against a 200 pound DB but Ertz kept losing those battles, Kelce doesn't he obliterates DBs in the run game, same with Kittle.

Where as a guy like Gronk is do dangerous cuz he can dominate DEs in the run game as well as LBs DBs.

Ask Ertz to block a DE on a run and he gets beat almost every time, ask him to block a LB hell get beat ask him to block a DB he might get around to it.

Ertz is useless as a run blocker but his elite ability as a mismatch receiver used to outweigh his complete inability to block, it no longer does.

Goedert meanwhile can block DEs LBs DB he's not as dominant as say Gronk against a DE but who is anymore.

TE and H-back are different positions, people call them both TEs but teams tend to have both kinds of players and use them in different formations.

However, coaches can be stubborn, every time I saw Ertz lined up on the LOS and try to pass block a DE (even an undersized speed rusher), I'd cringe.

You want your H-back to be able to block in space, they don't have to obliterate LBs and safeties, they have to hit their targets in space and sustain their blocks.

You want a true TE to block like a mini-OT, be able to seal a DE (and let the OT pull around you) in the run game, and control the edge as a pass blocker. Ideally you want a 260 lb or so TE with decent speed (anything under 4.7 is great at that size) with power and good hand usage. These guys usually make their living in the passing game on underneath routes and exploiting the soft spots in zone. A lot of these guys are UDFAs b/c they don't get used a lot in college passing games so it's a gamble whether they can contribute in a pro passing game.

H-backs are really big WRs on steroids (and a few probably were in real life), they need WR type route running skills and hands, but get moved to H-back b/c they're not nifty enough to beat good CBs one on one and gain separation, but can thrive when matched against LBs and Safeties.

Scary situation  ,Christian Eriksen collapsed during game 

I know there’s not a lot of soccer fans here but damn I’ve never seen a more sobering moment in any sporting event. 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

TE and H-back are different positions, people call them both TEs but teams tend to have both kinds of players and use them in different formations.

However, coaches can be stubborn, every time I saw Ertz lined up on the LOS and try to pass block a DE (even an undersized speed rusher), I'd cringe.

You want your H-back to be able to block in space, they don't have to obliterate LBs and safeties, they have to hit their targets in space and sustain their blocks.

You want a true TE to block like a mini-OT, be able to seal a DE (and let the OT pull around you) in the run game, and control the edge as a pass blocker. Ideally you want a 260 lb or so TE with decent speed (anything under 4.7 is great at that size) with power and good hand usage. These guys usually make their living in the passing game on underneath routes and exploiting the soft spots in zone. A lot of these guys are UDFAs b/c they don't get used a lot in college passing games so it's a gamble whether they can contribute in a pro passing game.

H-backs are really big WRs on steroids (and a few probably were in real life), they need WR type route running skills and hands, but get moved to H-back b/c they're not nifty enough to beat good CBs one on one and gain separation, but can thrive when matched against LBs and Safeties.

Sounds like you are describing Celek and Ertz.

Celek was a really good blocker, as a pass blocker and run blocker and Ertz is more an H back type which is how a lot of teams use their TEs these days 

Waller, ebron, Kelce, Gisicki, Logan Thomas, Ertz, I'm sure Pitts, Engram in NY all really just Big Slot receivers.

Where as goedert to me is closer to a kittle as I don't cringe when they have to block a DE.

 

14 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Scary situation  ,Christian Eriksen collapsed during game 

Wow, just did a quick Google search, that's scary stuff, still no report whether he was successfully resucitated🙏

20 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Wow, just did a quick Google search, that's scary stuff, still no report whether he was successfully resucitated🙏

Stabilized and transferred to hospital 

Just read this had no idea, cool story 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/susan-tose-spencer-broke-glass-ceiling-for-women-in-nfl-front-offices-while-saving-eagles-from-disaster/amp/#aoh=16235200930347&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

I’m not a Rays or Lighting fan  , but is Tampa the new title town ? Or champa bay as they have been called  , hard to argue the success over last few years of their teams .

23 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Guess you don't read the blog much. 

Nope.  I read it plenty.  But you see any criticism as hate.  You see anyone who posts more than obce on the topic as obsessive.

I've yet to see someone posting in here take any personal shots at him, post negativity constantly, etc.   I have seen people questioning his potential, use his significant struggles last year as justification for not buying in to him... and frankly, the Eagles didn't overwhelm anyone by giving a huge vote of confidence either.   There are a lot of questions for Hurts to answer, and saying so doesnt make it "hate".   

 

But if its so rampant, so me one of these obsessive hate-filled posts.

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Pretty ironic.  That some troll would bring up obsessively hating an Eagle QB and Hurts is the name he uses.  LOL.  

He’s having a meltdown