1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

So...this has been interesting. Putting aside the question of Howie, here are a few quick thoughts no one asked for on the head coach search.

1. I have less than zero interest in Duce. It's great that players like him, but that makes sense since he is a former player. All we've really tangibly seen from him are nonsensical RB rotations. Plus, let's get a fresh perspective in here -- it is time for Duce to work in another organization.

2. The massive cap hit combined with the fact that we just fired Doug makes it clear (to me at least) that the key is finding a coach that can fix/maximize Carson's talent. He may be 28, but QBs are lasting longer. This puts guys like Daboll and Smith at the top of the list for me. We could go with someone like a Saleh and then find an OC to work with Carson, but Lurie is enamored with being offense focused. If we are moving Carson and taking the cap hit, then we are tanking 2021 to try and draft a QB in 2022, but I don't know who that guy is.

3. Based on the above, I'm interested in seeing what we can get for Hurts. We don't need the QB drama dominating the offseason and camp when a new coach is trying to install his system.

4. Call it Chip Kelly whiplash, but I don't want Riley. I want an NFL coach.

5. Bienemy and Leftwich should also get interviews. Andy's offense has progressed materially since Doug left, and Leftwich is intriguing given his work with Brady (new system, no offseason, still playing well). 

 

I was in agreement with everything up to Leftwich. I think it's hard to judge exactly how much of an influence he has on the offense when they have Tom Brady calling plays and Bruce Arians as head coach. 

Just now, VeeMak said:

The name’s Sam Howell.  And he only eats chicken.  

I haven't really seen NC play, so don't know much about him. I know he and Clovis are rated highly. I've seen USC, and not impressed by Clovis at this point.

Roob is on the Duce train...

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I was in agreement with everything up to Leftwich. I think it's hard to judge exactly how much of an influence he has on the offense when they have Tom Brady calling plays and Bruce Arians as head coach. 

That's fair. I am somewhat intrigued of getting some of Arians' offense incorporated here. And people do speak highly of Leftwich. 

But really I was looking for someone to bring more of a vertical attack, which i think might fit better with Carson's skill set. I always wished we did more of that to maximize McNabb.

 

 

Can someone who isn't a former player or in the media (and therefore has covered him for decades) explain the Duce fascination? Would he even sniff a HC interview for any of the other openings?

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Roob is on the Duce train...

 

Yet has never even gotten a sniff around the league for an OC job besides the Eagles in 2018 who decided to not even interview him for OC last year after Groh was fired. I'll take the information presented from around the league and team over "he caught passes, he can create a passing offense."

29 minutes ago, greend said:

Not sure why this would be the only option. They could also trade or cut Hurts.

That's fair. But then in doing so they are hitching the wagon to Wentz and they don't know if Wentz can turn it around. And if they trade Hurts then they have no viable alternative for their new HC.

Can we stop with the retreads and old friends for the new coach idea?   Is it crazy to think that maybe the level of groupthink and self-congratulatory nature of this organization is at the heart of the problem?  I'm tired of Lurie telling us how good this organization has been.  If you were really good Jeff, we wouldn't have to hear it from you.  He's in the top half of owners in the league, but he's not got the most stable, there's always some drama, and it usually circles around Howie in some manner or other.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yet has never even gotten a sniff around the league for an OC job besides the Eagles in 2018 who decided to not even interview him for OC last year after Groh was fired. I'll take the information presented from around the league and team over "he caught passes, he can create a passing offense."

Not to mention, if you really canned Doug because he wanted to promote from within (Press Taylor), then why in the world would you replace Doug by promoting from within???

Duce was part of the gameplanning for this offense, this season?   That alone should eliminate his name from consideration.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I got this.

 

It's lazy Fan boy stuff, really.  We all know him and loved him as a player.  He's been around as a coach for a while.  But it's short sighted easy desires of the lowest common dominator of our fan base.  The same people were excited for Desean Jackson coming back.

 

- 4for4 Blog EIC

Duce for head coach. Dawkins for DC. Westbrook for OC. 

Makes sense.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Duce was part if the gameplanning for this offense, this season?   That alone should eliminate his name from consideration.

You and I may not agree often but some of your takes really do have me lol'ing.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Can we stop with the retreads and old friends for the new coach idea?   Is it crazy to think that maybe the level of groupthink and self-congratulatory nature of this organization.  I'm tired of Lurie telling us how good this organization has been.  If you were really good, Jeff we wouldn't have to hear it from you.  He's in the top half of owners in the league, but he's not got the most stable, there's always some drama, and it usually circles around Howie in some manner or other.

I agree with this with one exception -- Bienemy. Yes, he's from the Reid tree, but Andy's offense has really expanded the last few years. Plus, his coaching tree has been incredibly impressive. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Not to mention, if you really canned Doug because he wanted to promote from within (Press Taylor), then why in the world would you replace Doug by promoting from within???

That's a great point. Personally I think lurie gave a nod to Duce because a) they will be interviewing Duce and b) just in case they are left with no alternative and end up almost having to promote Duce. But I do not believe that approach is their preference. 

15 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So...this has been interesting. Putting aside the question of Howie, here are a few quick thoughts no one asked for on the head coach search.

1. I have less than zero interest in Duce. It's great that players like him, but that makes sense since he is a former player. All we've really tangibly seen from him are nonsensical RB rotations. Plus, let's get a fresh perspective in here -- it is time for Duce to work in another organization.

2. The massive cap hit combined with the fact that we just fired Doug makes it clear (to me at least) that the key is finding a coach that can fix/maximize Carson's talent. He may be 28, but QBs are lasting longer. This puts guys like Daboll and Smith at the top of the list for me. We could go with someone like a Saleh and then find an OC to work with Carson, but Lurie is enamored with being offense focused. If we are moving Carson and taking the cap hit, then we are tanking 2021 to try and draft a QB in 2022, but I don't know who that guy is.

3. Based on the above, I'm interested in seeing what we can get for Hurts. We don't need the QB drama dominating the offseason and camp when a new coach is trying to install his system.

4. Call it Chip Kelly whiplash, but I don't want Riley. I want an NFL coach.

5. Bienemy and Leftwich should also get interviews. Andy's offense has progressed materially since Doug left, and Leftwich is intriguing given his work with Brady (new system, no offseason, still playing well). 

 

Agree with all of this except point 5. 
 

We need a QB centric coach that can work with Wentz or any other QB. It is still by far the most important position in the sport and an expert in that will do wonders for the team either redeveloping Wentz or choosing the new franchise QB. 
 

I’ve seen enough from Hurts and other running QBs around the league to realize that is not a sustainable solution nor a playoff winning solution. Get whatever we can for Hurts while he has value being young and on a cheap contract. 
 

I don’t want anymore Andy Reid coaches. To me Andy is the mastermind there for scheming, game planning, and play calling. There’s no realistic assurance one of his assistants has learned/done enough to warrant being able to replicate what Andy does. 
 

 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So...this has been interesting. Putting aside the question of Howie, here are a few quick thoughts no one asked for on the head coach search.

1. I have less than zero interest in Duce. It's great that players like him, but that makes sense since he is a former player. All we've really tangibly seen from him are nonsensical RB rotations. Plus, let's get a fresh perspective in here -- it is time for Duce to work in another organization.

2. The massive cap hit combined with the fact that we just fired Doug makes it clear (to me at least) that the key is finding a coach that can fix/maximize Carson's talent. He may be 28, but QBs are lasting longer. This puts guys like Daboll and Smith at the top of the list for me. We could go with someone like a Saleh and then find an OC to work with Carson, but Lurie is enamored with being offense focused. If we are moving Carson and taking the cap hit, then we are tanking 2021 to try and draft a QB in 2022, but I don't know who that guy is.

3. Based on the above, I'm interested in seeing what we can get for Hurts. We don't need the QB drama dominating the offseason and camp when a new coach is trying to install his system.

4. Call it Chip Kelly whiplash, but I don't want Riley. I want an NFL coach.

5. Bienemy and Leftwich should also get interviews. Andy's offense has progressed materially since Doug left, and Leftwich is intriguing given his work with Brady (new system, no offseason, still playing well). 

 

I agree with you on most points but I think I could be sold on Duce depending on who he brought in as assistants.  I think there's no real chance Duce gets the job but I could see him being a good coach in terms of getting players to buy into a system.  I think that's the main weakness a coach like Lincoln Riley would face coming from college.  I am not sure that Duce would be able to have the connections to build his staff.  I could see him bringing in people through his connections with Reid but it's uncertain.  

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Not to mention, if you really canned Doug because he wanted to promote from within (Press Taylor), then why in the world would you replace Doug by promoting from within???

I'm starting to think that Lurie has a lot in common with this guy.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Duce was part of the gameplanning for this offense, this season?   That alone should eliminate his name from consideration.

While this had me laughing, it is true and represents the broader point. Lurie claims he canned Doug because he doesn't want to keep running it back with the same crew. Doug wanted to just promote from within, and clearly Jeff wants to turn to a rebuild. That requires a new, fresh perspective - i.e., not Duce.

If they hire Duce, it means the reasoning was all BS and that Howie just wants someone he can dominate. It means the fans are screwed. 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I agree with this with one exception -- Bienemy. Yes, he's from the Reid tree, but Andy's offense has really expanded the last few years. Plus, his coaching tree has been incredibly impressive. 

Hard pass.  We need to get AWAY from the Reid tree...  Lurie seems to be struggling with firing Reid back in 2012.   He needs to cut the cord already.  

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Not to mention, if you really canned Doug because he wanted to promote from within (Press Taylor), then why in the world would you replace Doug by promoting from within???

I see a scenario where the Eagles are so late to the party and behind everyone else they have no really great options so they promote Duce as a lame duck HC, but that's about it. If he ever wants to be a serious candidate for HC or OC he needs to get away from the Eagles. Go to a college program where you can run the offense or something. I suspect that's what he tried to do a year or two ago when he interviewed with South Carolina.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's a great point. Personally I think lurie gave a nod to Duce because a) they will be interviewing Duce and b) just in case they are left with no alternative and end up almost having to promote Duce. But I do not believe that approach is their preference. 

The issue with Duce is how many times are they going to interview him and then keep blowing smoke up his ass about how much of an asset he is.  They may be stuck.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I got this.

 

It's lazy Fan boy stuff, really.  We all know him and loved him as a player.  He's been around as a coach for a while.  But it's short sighted easy desires of the lowest common dominator of our fan base.  The same people were excited for Desean Jackson coming back.

 

- 4for4 Blog EIC

Thoughts on Brian Dawkins for DC?

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The issue with Duce is how many times are they going to interview him and then keep blowing smoke up his ass about how much of an asset he is.  They may be stuck.

I mean if that's the position they are in and they feel that way then they may just need to let him walk. I really don't think you can fire Doug because he didn't come to you with a plan that you liked and then promote Duce.

5 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

I don’t want anymore Andy Reid coaches. To me Andy is the mastermind there for scheming, game planning, and play calling. There’s no realistic assurance one of his assistants has learned/done enough to warrant being able to replicate what Andy does. 

Yup.   Did Doug win here because of Andy's influence, or Reich and DeFilippo (who had no connection to Reid)?

 

Offensive coaches from the Reid tree have flopped...  ALL OF THEM, except Doug - and Doug went downhill fast without his surrounding cast.  Childress, Shurmur, Nagy... all failed.  Now, on the defensive side... (perhaps the JJ tree) - Rivera, McDermott, Harbaugh...  All would be higher on my list than any of those from the offensive side.