12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I haven't really seen NC play, so don't know much about him. I know he and Clovis are rated highly. I've seen USC, and not impressed by Clovis at this point.

I’ve watched him since he was in HS.  His parents are close friends with a friend of mine (they actually all went to HS together).  I am a UNC alum, so obviously biased, but I think Howell could be great.  Fun fact, his dad’s name is Duke!

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The issue with Duce is how many times are they going to interview him and then keep blowing smoke up his ass about how much of an asset he is.  They may be stuck.

I honestly always thought they interviewed Duce for 2 reasons:

1. Rooney Rule (before they expanded it to require someone outside the organization)

2. Trying to raise his profile so he could move on to get an OC job elsewhere. I viewed it as them doing a solid for a loyal soldier. 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While this had me laughing, it is true and represents the broader point. Lurie claims he canned Doug because he doesn't want to keep running it back with the same crew. Doug wanted to just promote from within, and clearly Jeff wants to turn to a rebuild. That requires a new, fresh perspective - i.e., not Duce.

If they hire Duce, it means the reasoning was all BS and that Howie just wants someone he can dominate. It means the fans are screwed. 

I didn't say it to be funny.  I meant it 100%.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean if that's the position they are in and they feel that way then they may just need to let him walk. I really don't think you can fire Doug because he didn't come to you with a plan that you liked and then promote Duce.

I think those are two separate things.  Maybe, Duce has been giving them the intel on Doug.  With this organization, nothing can be discounted.

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's a great point. Personally I think lurie gave a nod to Duce because a) they will be interviewing Duce and b) just in case they are left with no alternative and end up almost having to promote Duce. But I do not believe that approach is their preference. 

I think Lurie is just doing him a solid and giving him a rub to get his name out there. They interviewed him as HC in 2016, and interviewed him for OC 1 or 2 times. Then they slapped on the AHC title. They like him and want to help expand his career, but obviously not enough to do it in Philadelphia. That tells me all I need to know about Duce.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I honestly always thought they interviewed Duce for 2 reasons:

1. Rooney Rule (before they expanded it to require someone outside the organization)

2. Trying to raise his profile so he could move on to get an OC job elsewhere. I viewed it as them doing a solid for a loyal soldier. 

Point 1 - achieved

Point 2 - Did he even try?

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I think those are two separate things.  Maybe, Duce has been giving them the intel on Doug.  With this organization, nothing can be discounted.

Maybe he has. I just don't think they can talk about firing Doug because he didn't have the right vision for the future and then promote Duce.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Maybe he has. I just don't think they can talk about firing Doug because he didn't have the right vision for the future and then promote Duce.

Maybe, Duce is willing to not promote Press Taylor and Matt Burke.  Thats a major deviation from Doug's rumored plan.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Point 1 - achieved

Point 2 - Did he even try?

Point 2 - Torpedoed with bizarre RB rotation.  Seemed pretty simple to most:  1st down, Miles Sanders;  2nd down, Miles Sanders; 3rd down, Miles Sanders.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree with you on most points but I think I could be sold on Duce depending on who he brought in as assistants.  I think there's no real chance Duce gets the job but I could see him being a good coach in terms of getting players to buy into a system.  I think that's the main weakness a coach like Lincoln Riley would face coming from college.  I am not sure that Duce would be able to have the connections to build his staff.  I could see him bringing in people through his connections with Reid but it's uncertain.  

I never even thought about what staff he could possibly put together but being solely with the Eagles his entire career, it can't be pretty. Greg Lewis for OC, maybe? More of a reason he needs to go somewhere else to build up a rapport with some other coaches.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Maybe, Duce is willing to not promote Press Taylor and Matt Burke.  Thats a major deviation from Doug's rumored plan.

I mean yeah sure could me... But I'm not sure Duce is going to bring many new ideas to the table? This offense needs revolution and to me that's got to be from the outside. I just don't think Duce would have a different enough voice which at this point is probably needed. 

One other name that would get me neither excited nor angry: Jim Caldwell.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean yeah sure could me... But I'm not sure Duce is going to bring many new ideas to the table? This offense needs revolution and to me that's got to be from the outside. I just don't think Duce would have a different enough voice which at this point is probably needed. 

I agree, but just look at Howie for an example.  I don't want Duce, but I get a bad feeling.

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree, but just look at Howie for an example.  I don't want Duce, but I get a bad feeling.

Oh I have a very bad feeling too. I don't think they are going to have much choice to be honest.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh I have a very bad feeling too. I don't think they are going to have much choice to be honest.

I think they will have good choices.  I just don't know that those choices will want to play "yes man", nor will the Eagles modify away from the detrimental design.  This hire will say alot.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hey, big spender

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

He also called howie a mathlete ruining the team 

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I think they will have good choices.  I just don't know that those choices will want to play "yes man", not will the Eagles modify away from the detrimental design.

I don't think they'll have good choices because I don't think those guys will want to play yes man. And I think that's why they'll end up almost having to go for Duce.

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

Biggest thing I took from that is when ritchie said, now we've found out Lurie was making some of the picks.

That's troubling to say the least. Not sure how accurate that is but troubling to say the least.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think they'll have good choices because I don't think those guys will want to play yes man. And I think that's why they'll end up almost having to go for Duce.

We are saying the same thing. They shouldn't pass up a quality hire for an insanely backwards design.  Its high time for a change in philosophy.  

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Biggest thing I took from that is when ritchie said, now we've found out Lurie was making some of the picks.

That's troubling to say the least. Not sure how accurate that is but troubling to say the least.

For sure. That basically means Lurie is Jerry and Howie is Stephen Jones. We know who makes the picks in Dallas.

40 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree with you on most points but I think I could be sold on Duce depending on who he brought in as assistants.  I think there's no real chance Duce gets the job but I could see him being a good coach in terms of getting players to buy into a system.  I think that's the main weakness a coach like Lincoln Riley would face coming from college.  I am not sure that Duce would be able to have the connections to build his staff.  I could see him bringing in people through his connections with Reid but it's uncertain.  

Duce wouldn’t have the contacts to be able to bring in his own assistants; Howie/Lurie would need to bring them in — which leads to the same barrel trip to the waterfall 

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I absolutely despise when they talk about guys they could’ve drafted. There’s plenty of teams that could have drafted guys and did not. I don’t hear them every time they have a press conference about their bad pick saying well we were going to draft this guy or we wanted this guy but it didn’t happen. If you really wanted that guy the trade up and get them so you know you have them. Don’t you feed me this BS you wanted this the guy.

that’s the draft. You don’t get every single guy you want and you better have a better plan then well we just missed out so we were doomed at that point. 

In addition:  think of the message to the players.  The national conversation is about how bad the Eagles have drafted since Reid left.  The announcers put Howie on blast in several games this year.  The sports talk shows, radio, beat writers, etc. have all blasted Howie.  The PC yesterday was more about how bad Howie is than about firing Doug.

And Lurie didn't defend the great players they've drafted. He didn't deny it.  He deflected and said other teams took the guys we wanted...so what does that say to the players?  We know we didn't get who we wanted and are stuck with you?  This is Mr. "emotional intelligence."  

Never mind the fact that some of the most notable misses are for guys that were better and available AFTER the Eagles drafted.

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I never even thought about what staff he could possibly put together but being solely with the Eagles his entire career, it can't be pretty. Greg Lewis for OC, maybe? More of a reason he needs to go somewhere else to build up a rapport with some other coaches.

I don't disagree that he likely needs to move on to be seriously considered.  I also don't think it's who Lurie envisions as the coach.  He wants offensive innovation.  He does not want the same sort of team. Of course, that's what got us Chip Kelly.  I think it's also what got us Reid.  I wouldn't surprise me if we ended up hiring Kafka or Leftwich.  

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't disagree that he likely needs to move on to be seriously considered.  I also don't think it's who Lurie envisions as the coach.  He wants offensive innovation.  He does not want the same sort of team. Of course, that's what got us Chip Kelly.  I think it's also what got us Reid.  I wouldn't surprise me if we ended up hiring Kafka or Leftwich.  

Jesus — I’d rather hire Duce than Kafka.  Kafka is objectively less qualified to be a head coach than Doug was when the Eagles hired him.

I think Duce Staley is one of those coaches that the players like, but you never really hear from them, so have little context for why outside of anecdotes - we know he has been frustrated at RB Coach and has looked elsewhere. The big question is does he know someone who can coach QB?  The rest, in the short term, is kind of moot.