If Dak can succeed in the NFL. So can Hurts. 

4 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Funny except it holds so much more true for Wentz supporters who still can’t get over the fact that he failed us in every way possible 

Get those voices in your head checked out by a professional 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

First off.  He’s not a kid.  22 years old is a grown man.  If he’s old enough to go to war then he’s no longer a kid.  Secondly, no one is irrationally "trash talking” him. We are just telling all of the fluffers to pump the brakes and have a realistic viewpoint.  Rather than anoint the guy after 3 full games for whatever reason.   Because it can’t be because of what he has shown in those 3 games.  

No one has anointed hurts to anything as far as I can tell, most comments over the past few weeks in here that I've read are that people are willing to give him a shot and hope he does well.

I haven't heard anyone claim he's the saviour or going to be all pro or lead the eagles to the playoffs, all I've heard is that they are excited to see what he can do and if he can't somebody else should be brought in that can 

Meanwhile Ive read from you and others making definitive claims that he sucks will suck and is garbage, while claiming people are jumping the gun in their luke warm praise if him.

Why not give the dude more than a few games as a rookie on a dysfunctional team and offense before one makes any definitive statements??

Why do people keep going back to Wentz? He is no longer here. I hope he plays well and loses lots of games for the benefit of the Eagles. 

Why does Hurts draft status matter at this point? He is going to struggle in the NFL as do most 1st/2nd year QB's. If the OL holds up, we will see if he has the basic tools and decision-making skills to be successful. The Eagles are in a 2-3 year rebuild, so there needs to be patience.

I personally am excited to see a fresh start but I am not attached to any of the outcomes at this point. 

I just find all of this as fodder for the few who want to see everything burn down. They are entitled to their opinions in here, but it would be nice if they could stretch a bit and start with new confirmable talking points. 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

And this is where the issue is. 

Hope for the best is 9-8, 7-10. Which means they feel comfortable enough to keep an average QB better thinking they have something. Until 6-8 years go by and we havent won poop.

 

The Hurts and the Smith draft picks crack me the F up. ALL year... EVERY YEAR we bash how bad the picks are. How terrible Howie is. We have examples over and over again(what is it, 2 pro bowlers in 10 years??) 

BUT!!! the Fan boys want to say they got these picks right LOL

 

 

If Hurts isn't good enough then why would he last 6-8 years when the QB the Eagles spent a ton of draft capital on one and gave him a massive contract to only last 5 years? 

 

You're the perfect example of the type of poster here that doesn't want Hurts to have a good season.  You have an insane bar that he has to reach by having an All Pro season in his second season which is also his first as a starter for you to consider going forward with him after this season and anything less you want no part of him. 

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

First off.  You have said you don’t want to engage me.  But you constantly do.  And I have been ignoring you as of late.  But when you lie, you’re gonna get a reply.  Please quote me where I have said Hurts sucks or is "garbage”.  I have never said that.  Not once.  You’re taking my position and going way too far with it.  So do me a favor.  Be a man of your word.  I have told you before to just ignore me if you don’t want to engage.  But you still do.   Practice what you preach.  

I don't want to engage with you, doesn't mean I wont, I find you and your views on most everything to be unpleasant, at the same time I find most cowboys fans to be unpleasant as well and I engage with them.

While Im not going to dig up any posts where you used the exact words trash or garbage or sucks whether you did or not Im fairly confident that the majority would agree that you aren't a fan of hurts and don't think he has what it takes to succeed in the NFL and you have come to that conclusion with the same amount of data as anyone else who shares a different opinion and when that differing opinion is voiced you call them fluffers because they share a different opinion than you, which is par the course on these boards except in this case I'll maintain that as far as I can tell I can't recall anyone fluffing hurts as anything other than what he is at this point 

A 2nd year qb with a few games under his belt in a dysfunctional offense who will most likely be the starter this season and most even you hope he does well.

Whats the point of saying he won't succeed or won't be good or doesn't have the talent to be good, without giving the dude a legit chance???

I don't preach anything, you don't like me questioning your posts or thoughts that's your problem not mine, I'm not responsible for your feelings or reactions or posts, if you don't want me to reply to your posts stop posting.

Simple fix.

Gonna be fun when the season starts and folks start arguing about who doesn't know what they're looking at.  Hopefully the games won't look like a train wreck.

The same arguments over and over again.

You talk about Hurts actual play, you are a hater.  Such a dumb take.  Fact is he completed 52% of his passes.  Fact, he completed 46.3% of his passes in the second half when teams adjusted.  Fact, he lead the team to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions when teams adjusted.  Fact, he scored 17 points against a historically bad Cowboys defense.  

Sure, he had some nice plays that made the Sportscenter top 10, but those plays generally do not win games.  

I will say this one more time, NO ONE WANTS HIM TO FAIL.  Talking about how he played is not burying him, discounting him, or anything of the sort.  IT IS HOW HE ACTUALLY PLAYED.  He has a lot to prove this year.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re a liar and a hypocrite.   Plain and simple.  You cry when I clap back at you and say you don’t want to engage me.  But then you always do.  All the time.  Quote one post.  Just one that shows that I am being unfairly critical of Hurts.  It doesn’t have to include the word "garbage” or "trash”.  Since you just admitted to making that up.  So give me one example.  

 

 

 

Never said you were unfairly critical of hurts.

 I Said you were unfairly critical of posters that didn't share your same views on hurts.

And if I didn't explicitly say that I'm saying it now.

Why is your opinion on hurts with the same amount of data valid and a poster who has a different opinion according to same data in your words a " fluffer"?

Calling someone a liar and a hypocrite is as hyperbolic as calling someone without any proof a racist or sexist, it's a feeble attempt to discredit another's opinion with whom one disagrees with  however  was convenient for you to ignore my statement on me not wanting to engaging with you not meaning I won't...

 

And again it's all too common on the board and from you.

 

The crowd that says no one wants him to fail and aren't haters of him are also the same crowd that are incapable of posting anything about him that isn't negative and can't contain themselves from responding to any positive posts about him with nothing but negativity in their replies. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Also.  Quote one post where I have even come close to saying this.  Another blatant lie.  

This new schtick where you call me a liar and ask me to go back and re post all your statements is tiresome 

Go two pages back and you called hurts a limited qb, is that close enough???

 look up the definition of blatant and lie, you seem to be confused by the meaning of those words.

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hater!!!!   You called him Trash and Garbage!!!   You should stop posting!!     

Dude I live rent free in your head, I should start charging you.😒

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The same arguments over and over again.

You talk about Hurts actual play, you are a hater.  Such a dumb take.  Fact is he completed 52% of his passes.  Fact, he completed 46.3% of his passes in the second half when teams adjusted.  Fact, he lead the team to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions when teams adjusted.  Fact, he scored 17 points against a historically bad Cowboys defense.  

Sure, he had some nice plays that made the Sportscenter top 10, but those plays generally do not win games.  

I will say this one more time, NO ONE WANTS HIM TO FAIL.  Talking about how he played is not burying him, discounting him, or anything of the sort.  IT IS HOW HE ACTUALLY PLAYED.  He has a lot to prove this year.

Yet if someone were to disagree with your assessment they are called, any number of names and immediately disregarded in the same manner as the haters but as blindness clueless supporters.

I'm not saying that it's unfair to be critical of hurts and form an honest opinion on him based off of what one has seen if hurts I'm saying why are those that have opposite opinions of those critical ones why should their opinion be taken any less seriously when they reached their conclusions using the same info 

It's just lazy to call someone a hater or a fluffer because one is unable to prove or disprove one or the others points.

My personal opinion is that Jalen Hurts will not prove to be our long-term answer at QB. That's based somewhat on his college play, but mainly on the fact that a late 2nd round pick is simply more likely to bust than excel, especially at QB. Yes, guys like Brady, Brees and Wilson happen. But the norm is the elite guys are found in round 1, and half of them bust too. So the realistic expectation has to be that Hurts will not become an elite level QB. 

However, I really put almost no stock in what we saw from him last year in the 4 games he played, for a few reasons:

1. No offseason program on the grass -- thanks to COVID, the offseason was all virtual. A rookie QB needs that time on the field, running plays with his receivers. Hurts had none of that last year, just Zoom meetings and iPad sessions. So that set him back from a typical rookie.

2. Shortened training camp -- they spent the first couple weeks of camp doing tests, getting into meeting rooms, etc. The on the field stuff started later than most years. Given the limited number of live reps, I'm guessing a higher percentage than normal went to Wentz in order to try and get him ready for the season.

3. The gadget plays -- Hurts not only had to learn the offense as a QB, but he also had to learn his package of plays where he could be a QB, RB or WR. So how much time as a real QB did he actually get in camp? Remember, Sudfeld dressed as the backup week 1. Had Wentz gone down early in the season, it's possible Sudfeld would have taken over and Hurts stayed the Taysom Hill guy. 

4. No preseason -- he didn't get any preseason snaps to get used to the NFL, even NFL backups.

5. The offensive line -- I mean, he wasn't exactly playing behind seasoned NFL vets when he finally got in.

So, now he has a more "normal" offseason, camp and preseason where he can focus on being a QB. Maybe he thrives, maybe he crumbles. But honestly, given all the unique challenges for a rookie in 2020, and adding on his gadget playbook and the injuries, I'm not sure we could have expected anything from him in those 4 games.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No.  It's not.  He is a limited QB.  Because if he wasn't.  He would not have been drafted outside the 1st round.  Pretty f-ing obvious.  You said I called him Trash or Garbage....and then admitted to that not being the case.  You said I posted he wont be good or doesn't have the talent to be good.  Or saying I wont give him a chance, which is exactly the opposite of what I have been saying.  Then you backtracked on that as well.  Calling a liar out, isn't a schtick genius.  Just admit you were wrong.  

 

"living rent free".  That's coming from the guy who says he doesn't want to engage me and doesn't like me,  but can't help to quote me.......every f-ing day!  

 

 

You can continue to "not engage" me.  I am done.  

You do realize there are other posters on this board besides you right?

When I said trash and garbage I specifically said in my post that those were words that others like you were using, I should have also included that even If those exact words weren't used that was the general sentiment being used by those who didn't think we'll of hurts.

As for me replying to you every day I haven't been on here or at least posted in a few days I think the last post I made was about the Utah jazz after the sixers lost so whose the " blatant liar now???

Like I said rent free dude.

If I want to reply to every benign post you make I will, the board allows to do so as long as I do so in a way that falls within the set rules of the board.

If you come on this board to have people agree with you all the time and stroke your ego than you misunderstand the purpose of the board, I suspect you are smart enough to know that's not the function of the board and you frequent the boards not to be agreed with but rather to engage in argument in an attempt to come out as victor in a meaningless debate to feel some sense of accomplishment and pride 

So good job , you are really good at winning meaningless conversation with a bunch of strangers on a meaningless message board talking about a child's game played by a bunch of grown men.

This is  the part where you post a pic of your car or house and tell me how you dont need the approval of some jerk on a message board because you have a hot wife and a cool car and a big savings account.

Or you just call me a liar and then a mod or another poster posts the obligatory, "get a room you two"😒

 

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3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

HATER!!!!!  You can't call him Trash like that!

Rent free

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

There are throws Hurts can't make, but those are the throws Watson, Brees and most QBs can't make, the laser across the body 40 yards downfield, etc.

But those throws are inconsequential for QB success, they are "wow" plays that occur maybe a dozen times a season.

Nor does he have the arm to throw into tight windows and get away with it, but that holds for the vast majority of NFL QBs, McNabb and Vick had plus plus arms - if they didn't, they would have had much shorter careers, because neither was good enough at anticipating their WRs to throw receivers open.

Hurts has "enough" arm strength to make the key throws, he's shown he can put the ball into tight spaces 20-30 yards downfield, make the back shoulder throw and put the ball where his WR can run under it. So the arm strength issue is going to be irrelevant to his success, as long as he understands his limitations.

What will determine his success is his ability to recognize defenses, get on the same page with his WRs and make crisp, accurate passes under pressure.

Consistency is far more important than arm strength, Eagle fans have seen too many lasers downfield negated by poor touch on screen passes or failure to see an open WR that kill that drive. A perfect throw on a screen that allows the RB to catch in stride can be as effective as a 40 yard throw across the field. A ball throw on time to the right spot, anticipating the WRs break is as effective as a laser thrown between three defenders.

Can he do that? Stay tuned. He has the IQ and work ethic to maximize his talent, but you don't know how far a young QB will progress in mastering the position until he's on the field for a couple seasons.

 I. just. couldn't. read. after. that.

Is yall dum or whut 

As far as the "reach" claim, if you're picking #53, and don't think Hurts will get past #70, and you think his intangibles make him a higher value player than his raw skills, do you sit and hope he falls to your late 3rd rd pick or do you take him when he falls to your late 2nd rd pick?

At that point in the draft, picking a player a half a round earlier than the "Media consensus" is not a reach, it's a judgement call.

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

If Dak can succeed in the NFL. So can Hurts. 

Why? And if that's what you call success.................................... no thanks

You don’t take a QB at #53 when you just signed your 26 year old QB to a massive extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet. It’s not rocket science 

Just now, austinfan said:

As far as the "reach" claim, if you're picking #53, and don't think Hurts will get past #70, and you think his intangibles make him a higher value player than his raw skills, do you sit and hope he falls to your late 3rd rd pick or do you take him when he falls to your late 2nd rd pick?

At that point in the draft, picking a player a half a round earlier than the "Media consensus" is not a reach, it's a judgement call.

I don't think hurts was a reach in general, players especially qbs often go higher than they are projected.

I think hurts went right around where he was projected. Some had him 2nd round some had him 3rd not many had him late first or 4th.

No one had the eagles taking him, I don't think it was a reach for them in the sense that they took him far ahead of where he would of or should have been taken but Instead it was a reach in that they took any QB in the 2nd round at all.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

You don’t take a QB at #53 when you just signed your 26 year old QB to a massive extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet. It’s not rocket science 

It's "Howie science"!

1 minute ago, greend said:

Why?

If Hurts can succeed in the NFL so can you