1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If Hurts can succeed in the NFL so can you 

I agree!!!!!!

16 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

In fact, 24 of the 51 Super Bowls have been won by quarterbacks not drafted in the first round.

That is somewhat misleading, as 7 of those 24 have been one by 1 guy, the GOAT, and another 4 by the former GOAT.

Also, Brees won his on his second team, Brad Johnson on his 3rd team after a stint in NFL Europe, Kurt Warner on his 2nd team after two stints in NFL Europe, and a stint bagging groceries, Favre on his second team after 6 years, Young on his second team after a stint in the USFL to start his career, Hostettler took over mid season due to Simms injury, Theisman, drafted in the 4th, went to the CFL instead, and then his NFL rights were traded to the Football Team, Unitas won on his second team.  Staubach, Wilson and Starr won on the team that drafted them.

So of the 15 players who won a Super Bowl not being a first round pick, only 5 won it with the team that drafted them.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You don’t take a QB at #53 when you just signed your 26 year old QB to a massive extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet. It’s not rocket science 

I even tried to do the mental gymnastics of 'hey, the Eagles could draw up a bunch of creative plays and have an X factor in the offense, and a package of plays drawn up, and ...... " , then I saw Doug just have Hurts plow into the middle of the DL over and over again.  The best play I saw with both Wentz and Hurts on the field was when Wentz was the lead blocker and Hurts went for 20 yards.  I repeat -- that was the best play I saw Doug come up with.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

As far as the "reach" claim, if you're picking #53, and don't think Hurts will get past #70, and you think his intangibles make him a higher value player than his raw skills, do you sit and hope he falls to your late 3rd rd pick or do you take him when he falls to your late 2nd rd pick?

At that point in the draft, picking a player a half a round earlier than the "Media consensus" is not a reach, it's a judgement call.

If Jalen Hurts does not exceed whatever Carson Wentz does in Indy, it is a massive indictment on the Eagles FO.  If Carson wins a Super Bowl, Jalen has to win a Super Bowl, if Carson gets to the conference championship game, Hurts has to do the same.  If Jalen Hurts does not have a better career than Carson does in Indy, it was a massive fail by the Eagles front office, Howie Roseman specifically.

4 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

If all those things at the end do happen we still have terrible LB's, we're going to lose the running game, have a rookie head coach(learning curve regardless if hes good or bad) No pressure from the DL AND you're WR core is SOFT AF. 

5-12 

People overate Wilson a bit too. I did like the signing, however, he's a back up on a good Vikes defense. He got the starting gig over there due to injury. He comes here and is instantly our #1 LB. Shows you how bad this position really is. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I even tried to do the mental gymnastics of 'hey, the Eagles could draw up a bunch of creative plays and have an X factor in the offense, and a package of plays drawn up, and ...... " , then I saw Doug just have Hurts plow into the middle of the DL over and over again.  The best play I saw with both Wentz and Hurts on the field was when Wentz was the lead blocker and Hurts went for 20 yards.  I repeat -- that was the best play I saw Doug come up with.

Yep, and the design of that didn't even make sense. They never did. That's a big reason I don't buy into Hurts being a Doug pick. There was zero creativity with Hurts, it felt like Doug was just doing bare minimum with the guy because he was told that they needed to get him on the field.

Training camp can't start soon enough.

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Why? And if that's what you call success.................................... no thanks

I mean Dak hasnt led the cowboys to anything but statistically he's been pretty good, one can win with Dak at QB 

I really liked him coming out, and I think he's improved year to year in the pros sucks for the cowboys that he got hurt because he looked pretty good with all the weapons around him.

One could argue that he needs a good o line and lots of weapons around him to succeed and that can be said for most qbs, don't protect them or give them weapons and they fail.

I think hurts and Dak comp well. 

Both are bigger thicker qbs but neither have elite arms nor were considered polished passers coming out even though they put up big numbers in college systems, a lot of people questioned whether what Dak did in college would translate to the pros and alot of those same questions exist for hurts 

Not sure where hurts will end but if he has a similar path as Dak I won't complain too much😉

4 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Training camp can't start soon enough.

People are on Hurts and I just can’t wait to see who wins out LT and where they put Dickerson lol

14 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

People overate Wilson a bit too. I did like the signing, however, he's a back up on a good Vikes defense. He got the starting gig over there due to injury. He comes here and is instantly our #1 LB. Shows you how bad this position really is. 

Yup, the eagles LBs have been so porous the last few seasons that many backups on teams with good LBs would be an upgrade 

Wilson made a lot of tackles but too many were 5 yards down field 

Reminds me of  when JJ moved gaither to MLB.

The at first glance numbers looked good until one looked a bit closer and realized too many if those 100+ tackles were 5 yards down the field.

Wilson is ok in coverage but not good enough to make up for his lack of impact at the point 

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People are on Hurts and I just can’t wait to see who wins out LT and where they put Dickerson lol

Will Dickerson be ready for camp?

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I mean Dak hasnt led the cowboys to anything but statistically he's been pretty good, one can win with Dak at QB 

I really liked him coming out, and I think he's improved year to year in the pros sucks for the cowboys that he got hurt because he looked pretty good with all the weapons around him.

One could argue that he needs a good o line and lots of weapons around him to succeed and that can be said for most qbs, don't protect them or give them weapons and they fail.

I think hurts and Dak comp well. 

Both are bigger thicker qbs but neither have elite arms nor were considered polished passers coming out even though they put up big numbers in college systems, a lot of people questioned whether what Dak did in college would translate to the pros and alot of those same questions exist for hurts 

Not sure where hurts will end but if he has a similar path as Dak I won't complain too much😉

Yup

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If Jalen Hurts does not exceed whatever Carson Wentz does in Indy, it is a massive indictment on the Eagles FO.  If Carson wins a Super Bowl, Jalen has to win a Super Bowl, if Carson gets to the conference championship game, Hurts has to do the same.  If Jalen Hurts does not have a better career than Carson does in Indy, it was a massive fail by the Eagles front office, Howie Roseman specifically.

What if Carson jumps off a bridge? I suppose Hurts has to as well?

Just now, greend said:

Yup

I think hurts has the o line and weapons this year( when healthy) to succeed so if he fails, the blame should mainly be his alone.

I think Tommy worded it well with how the majority of "haters" feel.

Quote

Last year’s numbers weren’t pretty. He started four games and played on a mess of an offense, but completing 52 percent of your passes isn’t good no matter what the circumstances. We did see flashes. There were times when Hurts looked like he could be a good QB.

There just wasn’t any consistency. Talent isn’t enough in the NFL. You have to be able to play at a high level week in and week out. Heck, we didn’t even seen Hurts have a complete game. He would either start hot and finish cold or vice-versa.

Some of that is due to being a rookie. Still, we have to be honest about what we saw. Hoping for the best is fine, but it isn’t a plan. The Eagles are going to give Hurts this year to show what he can do. If that isn’t good enough, they have the picks to go after a top QB next spring.

http://igglesblitz.com/2021/06/jalen-hurts/

Just now, Utebird said:

I think hurts has the o line and weapons this year( when healthy) to succeed so if he fails, the blame should mainly be his alone.

Well if he plays like "Dak" and that's what we consider successful then the best we can hope for is a playoff win? (so far for Dak)

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Will Dickerson be ready for camp?

There seems to be some mild hype over Dickerson and some have suggested he could or should supplant seumalo and I'd ask what's the rush???

He's a rookie he's coming off Injury nobody expects eagles to compete this year seumalo isn't horrible, so what's the rush???

1 minute ago, greend said:

Well if he plays like "Dak" and that's what we consider successful then the best we can hope for is a playoff win? (so far for Dak)

I'll take that for now 

Just now, Utebird said:

There seems to be some mild hype over Dickerson and some have suggested he could or should supplant seumalo and I'd ask what's the rush???

He's a rookie he's coming off Injury nobody expects eagles to compete this year seumalo isn't horrible, so what's the rush???

I think from the fan base mentality, the rush is you spent a premium pick on a player, you want to see them starting from day 1. Because that's usually what you get when you invest #37 overall. Compound that with another 2nd round pick being used on a backup last year, and another 2nd round pick being used on a bust the year before, fans are getting anxious. 

However, in this situation I don't see how you can start him over Seumalo unless you plan on trading Seumalo. It would be a weird thing to bench him and then next year go back to him as your starting C or LG after he's been the starter for the last 3 years.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Will Dickerson be ready for camp?

It was reported back in April that he expected to be ready for camp

 

53 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

Is yall dum or whut 

GTFO you stumpy knob!   

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think Tommy worded it well with how the majority of "haters" feel.

Tommy is obviously a hater

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Tommy is obviously a hater

Haters gonna hate

Taters gonna tate

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think from the fan base mentality, the rush is you spent a premium pick on a player, you want to see them starting from day 1. Because that's usually what you get when you invest #37 overall. Compound that with another 2nd round pick being used on a backup last year, and another 2nd round pick being used on a bust the year before, fans are getting anxious. 

However, in this situation I don't see how you can start him over Seumalo unless you plan on trading Seumalo. It would be a weird thing to bench him and then next year go back to him as your starting C or LG after he's been the starter for the last 3 years.

Yup. I think keeping Dickerson as a backup this year makes more sense,then when Kelce retires after this season Dickerson starts sonewhere

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup. I think keeping Dickerson as a backup this year makes more sense then when Kelce retires after this season Dickerson starts sonewhere

There is going to be some attrition on the OL this season; Johnson, Brooks and Kelce are all over 30.  Hopefully any time they miss will be far less than the debacle on the OL last season.  The Eagles have the luxury of having Dickerson red-shirt at the start of the season -- I assume he'll be first guy off the bench to replace anyone on the interior OL that goes down.  He can step in for either Kelce or Brooks.  Herbig might be first guy in behind Seumalo.  Depending on who starts at LT I would think Mailata would be first in for Johnson, or Dillard for Mailata and Driscoll for Johnson, etc.