46 minutes ago, metal said:

While that looks bad for Lurie, it's not like Campbell has done anything either. He has 24 receptions for 198 yards and 1 TD. Also he can't stay healthy. Both he and JJAW were bad selections.

When the owner is making picks, that's bad process, no matter who option 2 is.  

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

And you know Andy Reid is upset how?  Why would Reid even take a call from Eskin or any other Philly media while preparing for a playoff game?

These reporters report to each other and share information.  So Eskin didn't need to call Reid himself...all he needed to do was reach out to a few Chief's beat writers to see how they felt about Kafka and/or Bieniemy coming to the Eagles.  Simple, really.

 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The fact that even Andy Reid is upset with the way things have been handled is eye opening.  

Where did that nugget come from?

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

When the owner is making picks, that's bad process, no matter who option 2 is.  

Agreeing once again.  

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Doug’s choice were that cause he knew lurie wouldn’t agree to those choices cause they were ridiculous.  he knew he’d be gone and free to get a job where he didn’t get pushed around by lurie and howie. That was the ultimate ultimatum he gave the eagles. It basically was fire me or allow me this power. We all knew what lurie was going to say to that garbage coaching staff. 

I think you’re giving Doug way too much credit.

His OC search last year consisted of the same caliber of young, inexperienced guys without credentials who Doug could treat as interns and run the show himself — ala Andy Reid.  He won a Super Bowl with Frank Reich and John DeFilippo’s help, and when they left for promotion he hasn’t been on board with hiring a qualified assistant coach since.

Doug thinks he’s Andy Reid — he isn’t.  He’s not Sean Payton, he’s not even Sean McVay.  He wrote a book and let it all go to his head.  He was fired for philosophical differences — he believes he can run an NFL offense on his own, without any qualified help.  The Eagles rightly said no.

It’s not like this has never happened before.  Marty Schottenheimer was 14-2 when he got fired, because he wanted autonomy.  The Chargers didn’t want to give it to him.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The fact that even Andy Reid is upset with the way things have been handled is eye opening.  

Link?

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

These reporters report to each other and share information.  So Eskin didn't need to call Reid himself...all he needed to do was reach out to a few Chief's beat writers to see how they felt about Kafka and/or Bieniemy coming to the Eagles.  Simple, really.

 

So how does this translate to it being fact Reid is upset?

23 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Yeah wanting to win and fix problems by giving promotions to the assistants who lead the team to a 4-11-1 record and not bringing in any outside guys. Makes total sense. 

We brought in outside guys last year.... that was a success?  

I'm not going to defend Doug here, but they forced a stupid system on him, and they got what they deserved.  Too many cooks ruins the soup.  No single vision for the offense, same as the draft and free agent process.  This team has no identity.  And that problem flows down from Lurie.

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I agree Doug's choices weren't good either, but the inconsistency here is baffling.  Doug was criticized for tanking, then wants to fix the team and win in 2021 and fired so they can... tank and rebuild.  

Lurie is a ship without a rudder but needs someone to blame for this mess that HE created.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think you’re giving Doug way too much credit.

His OC search last year consisted of the same caliber of young, inexperienced guys without credentials who Doug could treat as interns and run the show himself — ala Andy Reid.  He won a Super Bowl with Frank Reich and John DeFilippo’s help, and when they left for promotion he hasn’t been on board with hiring a qualified assistant coach since.

Doug thinks he’s Andy Reid — he isn’t.  He’s not Sean Payton, he’s not even Sean McVay.  He wrote a book and let it all go to his head.  He was fired for philosophical differences — he believes he can run an NFL offense on his own, without any qualified help.  The Eagles rightly said no.

It’s not like this has never happened before.  Marty Schottenheimer was 14-2 when he got fired, because he wanted autonomy.  The Chargers didn’t want to give it to him.

Link?

Eh i don’t think it. If the report is true and that was his solution with those coaches. Add there were reports earlier in the offseason and week 1 that he didn’t care to come back or if he was fired it tends to matchup to the theory. Like who in their right mind would ask for undlin to be DC after he was terrible in Detroit with his current job and got fired here cause he wasn’t good either. 

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Where did that nugget come from?

 

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

So how does this translate to it being fact Reid is upset?

When Howard Eskin says that no one from the Andy Reid coaching tree will likely come here, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 + 2 together. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

 

When Howard Eskin says that no one from the Andy Reid coaching tree will likely come here, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 + 2 together. 

So it's made up.  Got it.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think you’re giving Doug way too much credit.

His OC search last year consisted of the same caliber of young, inexperienced guys without credentials who Doug could treat as interns and run the show himself — ala Andy Reid.  He won a Super Bowl with Frank Reich and John DeFilippo’s help, and when they left for promotion he hasn’t been on board with hiring a qualified assistant coach since.

Doug thinks he’s Andy Reid — he isn’t.  He’s not Sean Payton, he’s not even Sean McVay.  He wrote a book and let it all go to his head.  He was fired for philosophical differences — he believes he can run an NFL offense on his own, without any qualified help.  The Eagles rightly said no.

It’s not like this has never happened before.  Marty Schottenheimer was 14-2 when he got fired, because he wanted autonomy.  The Chargers didn’t want to give it to him.

Link?

Doug's OC search?  Did I read that right?  That wasn't Doug's search.  Doug can be blamed for a lot of things ON THE FIELD, but that coaching structure was NOT his idea.

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

So it's made up.  Got it.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire and that's the 2nd or 3rd time that rumor has surfaced over the past 24 hours.  

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh i don’t think it. If the report is true and that was his solution and there were reports earlier in the offseason and week 1 that he didn’t care to come back or if he was fired it tends to matchup to the theory. 

Okay ....... but ........ if you want to give Lurie an ultimatum that you’ll choose your own staff — he could have supplied Lurie with a list of qualified assistants — and when Lurie said no, then Doug is in the same spot with the Eagles ..... but actually has a qualified pool of assistant coaches he can take to his next job.

Doug being dumb is much more plausible here.

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It's just odd because I've been listening to Eskin ever since Lurie purchased the team and he's almost always sided with the Eagles' brass.  

I tend to believe eskin is a front runner with the eagles. when they sucked in the 90s he was all about the cowboys. Then when reid and the eagles got good he was all about them and agreed with everything. He’s basically on their side when they are good and give him good info. As soon as that goes he jumps ship. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay ....... but ........ if you want to give Lurie an ultimatum that you’ll choose your own staff — he could have supplied Lurie with a list of qualified assistants — and when Lurie said no, then Doug is in the same spot with the Eagles ..... but actually has a qualified pool of assistant coaches he can take to his next job.

Doug being dumb is much more plausible here.

Or.. he just wanted out and figured that would get it done.  I want out and I'm not dealing with Howie on a daily basis.

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

And you know Andy Reid is upset how?  Why would Reid even take a call from Eskin or any other Philly media while preparing for a playoff game?

Very good point

AR is going for #2. His mind is on his team and his opponents. Not his former team

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

When Howard Eskin says that no one from the Andy Reid coaching tree will likely come here, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 + 2 together. 

So your premise is that if Andy Reid is mad his coaches won't consider the Eagles, but then it would be logically true if he wasn't mad his coaches would?  So their choices are based upon his feelings?  Sounds like you need the Eagles Emotional Intelligence Coordinator.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I tend to believe eskin is a front runner with the eagles. when they sucked in the 90s he was all about the cowboys. Then when reid and the eagles got good he was all about them and agreed with everything. He’s basically on their side when they are good and give him good info. As soon as that goes he jumps ship. 

Nah.  He's been fully on board ever since Lurie purchased the team.  He disliked Norman Braman...but ever since Lurie purchased the team, he's sided with the Eagles 99% of the time.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire and that's the 2nd or 3rd time that rumor has surfaced over the past 24 hours.  

 

All of that is silly speculation.  The rumor mill is in full churn right now. 

Just now, Freshmilk said:

So your premise is that if Andy Reid is mad his coaches won't consider the Eagles, but then it would be logically true if he wasn't mad his coaches would?  So their choices are based upon his feelings?  Sounds like you need the Eagles Emotional Intelligence Coordinator.

Nah.  This has likely been brewing for a while.  There's little doubt that Pederson stayed in communication with Reid and his coaches over the years.  He probably expressed some of his frustrations with them and everything is likely coming to the spotlight now. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay ....... but ........ if you want to give Lurie an ultimatum that you’ll choose your own staff — he could have supplied Lurie with a list of qualified assistants — and when Lurie said no, then Doug is in the same spot with the Eagles ..... but actually has a qualified pool of assistant coaches he can take to his next job.

Doug being dumb is much more plausible here.

I don’t disagree he might be slow. Heck i think that’s part of why his play calls are quirky and come in way too late. He’s not quick on his feet.

 but i also believe he wanted out for a while now. I’ve felt this way since the end of last year that howie, doug or wentz wasn’t going to survive through the end of the 2021 season. I’ve always thought doug was the most likely to walk away especially when reports came out he was ticked he had to fire groh and some of the guys he wanted to keep. I think he’s loyal to a fault cause he feels obligated to those coaches and he trusts them. Not sure that’s dumb but blind loyalty.

I think he knew if he gave qualified coaches to lurie and howie that were actually well thought out and logical they’d have kept him and he wanted to leave the organization for a better opportunity then working with them and a sinking ship. I think you still believe he wanted to be here. I think he wanted out before the season and that’s why his agent or someone close to him put out there he wouldn’t mind being fired. I tend to believe that rumor. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  He's been fully on board ever since Lurie purchased the team.  He disliked Norman Braman...but ever since Lurie purchased the team, he's sided with the Eagles 99% of the time.  

Naw he was all about the cowboys when kottie was here and Ray Rhodes. He switched when Barry Switzer ran dallas into the ground and when reid turned them around he was back on the eagles. He’s actually said that himself in interviews. He’s a front runner. He did the same with the Phillies. He called amaro a genius and when it went south he said he was a bad GM. 

48 minutes ago, TEW said:

I was a huge Metcalf fan — wanted him in the first round at the time of the pick. But it’s likely that Metcalf wasn’t on the Eagles board or was ranked much lower in the draft because of the injury. 

Agreed.

Fans, stop taking players with injury issues and you won't have this problem.

Fans, why didn't you take the WR with the neck issue?

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Naw he was all about the cowboys when kottie was here and Ray Rhodes. He switched when Barry Switzerland ran dallas into the groun and when reid turned them around. He’s a front runner. He did the same with the Phillies. He called amari a genius and when it went south he said he was a bad GM. 

Ah, maybe.  I think he disliked Kotite but so did most of the Philly radio personalities.  That said, he's been all-about-the-Eagles ever since Andy Reid took over.