26 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'd put Megatron/Fitz/Rice on the same level.  Moss slightly below that.

Sorry.  Rice was on another level from #2.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

What percentage of people do you think will be waiting until January before making their own decisions?

My first blush answer was 0%.

Upon closer reflection, somewhere around 1/3.  1/3 will know instantly that he sucks, 1/3 will know instantly that he's amazing, and 1/3 will say that it's too early to tell (no matter what Hurts shows) and won't commit until he's either all-pro or already gone.

10 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Does this make Greg Cosell a hater?  He is stating the same things that many posters that are being criticized are saying.  

 

9 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

I hope it’s clear by then. Last thing we need is a middle of the pack QB. 

That is my biggest fear.  We have a 7-9 win QB that is just good enough to keep Howie engaged, but not good enough to ever really get us to that next level.  That's a recipe for a long few years.

38 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If Hurts is middle of the pack, with a new offense, coaching staff and a pretty limited supporting cast around him.  I think that’s a nice step in the right direction for him.  To expect or hope for anything more is a little unreasonable.   

I don't care about next year one bit, related to record.  I care that he is middle of the pack for years to come and the Eagles stay there with him.

53 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If Hurts is middle of the pack, with a new offense, coaching staff and a pretty limited supporting cast around him.  I think that’s a nice step in the right direction for him.  To expect or hope for anything more is a little unreasonable.   

The hope is that he is middle of the pack, but shows flashes that he can be more than that.  Middle of the pack means perennial medicority for the team with no real hope for a championship without extreme luck, and theb you cant afford to pay the second contract for that QB, because it will still command such a huge part of the salary cap, and giving that much to medicority means not enough money to pay the rest of the roster that will be needed to carry the team.

8 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'd put Megatron/Fitz/Rice on the same level.  Moss slightly below that.

Rice is on his own level, there's no debate. Next level is Moss, who probably had more natural talent than Rice, but not even close to the work ethic to be the best. 

After that, I think it's Megatron and TO. TO is often overlooked, and mostly due to his own off field issues, but the dude was an absolute monster WR, with multiple QBs and systems. It's sad that he never sought actual help for his mental issues (he's had a real messed up life, and honestly wouldn't surprise me if he was a homosexual and doesn't understand/can't admit it publicly). 

Hurts knows this is his 1 clear opportunity to own the job long term and it's clear he's treating the prospect of being that QB1 seriously.  He has a top 10 draft pick at WR who he has chemistry with from college, another 1st round WR and ascending TE and RB . Plus what we hope is a healthy OL. Plus the organisation is significantly less dysfunctional than it was last year.

At worst, he is the backup QB he was drafted to be. At best, he's a good starting QB.  I don't understand why there is so much fuss about it.  It's the same argument that it was in January. And February, etc

36 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Rice is on his own level, there's no debate. Next level is Moss, who probably had more natural talent than Rice, but not even close to the work ethic to be the best. 

After that, I think it's Megatron and TO. TO is often overlooked, and mostly due to his own off field issues, but the dude was an absolute monster WR, with multiple QBs and systems. It's sad that he never sought actual help for his mental issues (he's had a real messed up life, and honestly wouldn't surprise me if he was a homosexual and doesn't understand/can't admit it publicly). 

Rice played 20 years , Moss was a better talent than Rice , and Rice had a couple HOF QBs throwing him the ball .

30 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Hurts knows this is his 1 clear opportunity to own the job long term and it's clear he's treating the prospect of being that QB1 seriously.  He has a top 10 draft pick at WR who he has chemistry with from college, another 1st round WR and ascending TE and RB . Plus what we hope is a healthy OL. Plus the organisation is significantly less dysfunctional than it was last year.

At worst, he is the backup QB he was drafted to be. At best, he's a good starting QB.  I don't understand why there is so much fuss about it.  It's the same argument that it was in January. And February, etc

The trajectory of the team over the next few years will depend on how much contribution they get from the young nucleus, which offensively has some potential.  Sanders, Goedert, Smith, Reagor, Mailata, Dillard, Dickerson.  Defensively I'm more concerned -- Barnett, Sweat .... I assume I'm missing somebody important, but I can't place them.

What would really help Jalen Hurts is a dominate defense that not only creates turnovers but has the ability to take them to the house.  Give the offense as many opportunities to score but also help them out.  I want a defense that makes plays all over the field.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What would really help Jalen Hurts is a dominate defense that not only creates turnovers but has the ability to take them to the house.  Give the offense as many opportunities to score but also help them out.  I want a defense that makes plays all over the field.

So ... what are you saying his trade value is?

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The hope is that he is middle of the pack, but shows flashes that he can be more than that.  Middle of the pack means perennial medicority for the team with no real hope for a championship without extreme luck, and theb you cant afford to pay the second contract for that QB, because it will still command such a huge part of the salary cap, and giving that much to medicority means not enough money to pay the rest of the roster that will be needed to carry the team.

If the hopeful wish is mediocrity what's the point of hope?  The hope should be he becomes a complete stud.  That's what I hope.  The heck with hoping he is middle of the pack.  What a boring hope that is.  At least have fun with things that don't yet exist.  

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What would really help Jalen Hurts is a dominate defense that not only creates turnovers but has the ability to take them to the house.  Give the offense as many opportunities to score but also help them out.  I want a defense that makes plays all over the field.

yup...one of the challenges that may be overlooked was the average starting field position....the Eagles seemed to always be backed up looking at long fields due to lack of turnovers, special teams, and poor defensive play

15 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

yup...one of the challenges that may be overlooked was the average starting field position....the Eagles seemed to always be backed up looking at long fields due to lack of turnovers, special teams, and poor defensive play

If I never see Greg Ward wave off a punt inside the 15 yard line to see it die at the 5 again I'll be a happy fan.

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If Hurts is middle of the pack, with a new offense, coaching staff and a pretty limited supporting cast around him.  I think that’s a nice step in the right direction for him.  To expect or hope for anything more is a little unreasonable.   

Fluffer

That looks like a gang sign, better get Chip Kelly in here to cut him.

 

Hold on, there are people trying to argue that Jerry Rice isn't the greatest WR of all time?

Come on, now. Give it a rest. Imagine Jerry with the rules where no one could bump him after 5 yards, FFS...

I don't think special teams this year will be anywhere near "special". Johnston was our one constant, and while I completely agree with the decision to let him walk and take good $ elsewhere, I'm a little worried with them just handing the job to a complete unknown (and frankly old) Siposs. Beyond that, I'm assuming he'll be the holder for our already shaky K. So who knows how that goes. And further beyond that, Howie pretty much dialed back a lot of the value and assets he puts into special teams. Chip made it an importance bringing in key ST guys like Maragos, Braman, Jones etc. Those guys came and went, and ever since they have been replaced with 1 year 7th string LB's or S's from some other team. At least we still have Lovato.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think special teams this year will be anywhere near "special". Johnston was our one constant, and while I completely agree with the decision to let him walk and take good $ elsewhere, I'm a little worried with them just handing the job to a complete unknown (and frankly old) Siposs. Beyond that, I'm assuming he'll be the holder for our already shaky K. So who knows how that goes. And further beyond that, Howie pretty much dialed back a lot of the value and assets he puts into special teams. Chip made it an importance bringing in key ST guys like Maragos, Braman, Jones etc. Those guys came and went, and ever since they have been replaced with 1 year 7th string LB's or S's from some other team. At least we still have Lovato.

Between the unexpected reduction in the salary cap and the dead money charge for Wentz, that was bound to happen. I don't completely blame Howie for not planning for the cap decrease -- no one saw COVID coming. I was more disappointed that we didn't tank it further and move on from more vets -- take all the pain this year. Instead the restructures pushed money into future years for aging vets like Kelce, Graham, etc. Good players, but they won't be here if/when we are ready to win big again.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

But but but he put stick um on his gloves and Moss was a better athlete.....soooooo.  

Looking at Rice's numbers vs. his contemporaries is total insanity. 

18 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Now list the ones that didn’t make it, unless your plan is to have Hurts become one of the next statistical anomalies.

 

And boy, Romo? Yea, let’s bank on Hurts becoming the next Tony Romo. Those two playoff wins over the next ten years is going to be awesome. 

While I'm at it, why don't you list all the high picks who busted out? I'll help you get started: Ryan Leaf, second overall pick. Jamarcus Russell, first overall pick.

Here's a handy list of 50, yes 50 high pick QB busts. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history#:~:text=NFL Draft%3A 50 Biggest Quarterback Busts in NFL,strength and size. Many predicted it would 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Uhhh.  How do I put this.   
 

 

 

 

NO!!!!!!      
 

 

I would do it

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Between the unexpected reduction in the salary cap and the dead money charge for Wentz, that was bound to happen. I don't completely blame Howie for not planning for the cap decrease -- no one saw COVID coming. I was more disappointed that we didn't tank it further and move on from more vets -- take all the pain this year. Instead the restructures pushed money into future years for aging vets like Kelce, Graham, etc. Good players, but they won't be here if/when we are ready to win big again.

ST's has been on a constant decline well before COVID. 

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

While I'm at it, why don't you list all the high picks who busted out? I'll help you get started: Ryan Leaf, second overall pick. Jamarcus Russell, first overall pick.

Here's a handy list of 50, yes 50 high pick QB busts. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history#:~:text=NFL Draft%3A 50 Biggest Quarterback Busts in NFL,strength and size. Many predicted it would 

So what is your point, exactly? Are you disagreeing with notion I put forth that the Eagles selected Hurts late in the second because they probably didn't view him as a perfect QB prospect that could make all the throws? You are all over the place. 

Here's a handy list of QB's taken round 2 or later in just the last 5 years not counting the most recent class. How many of these guys do you want leading your team? Funny, these professionally, paid scouts just might know a thing or two while not being perfect. 

5	2	21	53	Jalen Hurts	Eagles	Oklahoma
	6	4	16	122	Jacob Eason	Colts	Washington
	7	4	19	125	James Morgan	Jets	Florida International
	8	5	21	167	Jake Fromm	Bills	Georgia
	9	6	10	189	Jake Luton	Jaguars	Oregon State
	10	7	10	224	Cole McDonald	Titans	Hawaii
	11	7	17	231	Ben DiNucci	Cowboys	James Madison
	12	7	26	240	Tommy Stevens	Saints	Mississippi State
	13	7	30	244	Nate Stanley	Vikings	Iowa

 

4	2	10	42	Drew Lock	Broncos	Missouri
	5	3	36	100	Will Grier	Panthers	West Virginia
	6	4	2	104	Ryan Finley	Bengals	North Carolina State
	7	4	31	133	Jarrett Stidham	Patriots	Auburn
	8	5	28	166	Easton Stick	Chargers	North Dakota State
	9	5	29	167	Clayton Thorson	Eagles	Northwestern
	10	6	5	178	Gardner Minshew	Jaguars	Washington State
	11	6	24	197	Trace McSorley	Ravens	Penn State

 

6	3	12	76	Mason Rudolph	Steelers	Oklahoma State
	7	4	8	108	Kyle Lauletta	Giants	Richmond
	8	5	34	171	Mike White	Cowboys	Western Kentucky
	9	6	25	199	Luke Falk	Titans	Washington State
	10	6	29	203	Tanner Lee	Jaguars	Nebraska
	11	7	1	219	Danny Etling	Patriots	Louisiana State
	12	7	2	220	Alex McGough	Seahawks	Florida International
	13	7	31	249	Logan Woodside	Bengals	Toledo

 

4	2	20	52	DeShone Kizer	Browns	Notre Dame
	5	3	23	87	Davis Webb	Giants	California
	6	3	40	104	C.J. Beathard	49ers	Iowa
	7	4	29	135	Joshua Dobbs	Steelers	Tennessee
	8	5	28	171	Nathan Peterman	Bills	Pittsburgh
	9	6	32	215	Brad Kaaya	Lions	Miami (FL)
	10	7	35	253	Chad Kelly	Broncos	Mississippi

 

4	2	20	51	Christian Hackenberg	Jets	Penn State
	5	3	29	91	Jacoby Brissett	Patriots	North Carolina State
	6	3	31	93	Cody Kessler	Browns	USC
	7	4	2	100	Connor Cook	Raiders	Michigan State
	8	4	37	135	Dak Prescott	Cowboys	Mississippi State
	9	4	41	139	Cardale Jones	Bills	Ohio State
	10	5	25	162	Kevin Hogan	Chiefs	Stanford
	11	6	12	187	Nate Sudfeld	Redskins	Indiana
	12	6	16	191	Jake Rudock	Lions	Michigan
	13	6	26	201	Brandon Allen	Jaguars	Arkansas
	14	6	32	207	Jeff Driskel	49ers	Louisiana Tech
	15	7	2	223	Brandon Doughty	Dolphins	Western Kentucky

5 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Does this make Greg Cosell a hater?  He is stating the same things that many posters that are being criticized are saying.  

 

That is my biggest fear.  We have a 7-9 win QB that is just good enough to keep Howie engaged, but not good enough to ever really get us to that next level.  That's a recipe for a long few years.

I think cossell makes some fair assessments he says hurts tends to leave the pocket early and leave throws on the field and that hurts needs to get to work.

Sounds spot on to me and I think the majority would agree with that assessment.

Like I said yesterday I haven't seen too many if any posters on here anointing hurts to anything, seems the general consensus is that hurts has some work to do.

Some of the more critical posts of hurts can be on point and I think the claims of hurts imminent failure because those critical points in the past are premature claims.

I expect hurts will be better than last year,to what extent??? who knows, I'll take a wait and see approach before I annoint him or throw him in the trash bin.