16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

ST's has been on a constant decline well before COVID. 

Rick Lavato is probably the best thing about the ST units.  

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

What would really help Jalen Hurts is a dominate defense that not only creates turnovers but has the ability to take them to the house.  Give the offense as many opportunities to score but also help them out.  I want a defense that makes plays all over the field.

Yup.

I was going to say, a team used to be able to win with a middle of the pack qb if the running game and defense were good 

I'm not so sure anymore, it seems defense has been legislated out of the league and the running game has been minimized.

It's a qb centric league driven by lots of scoring through passing and the rules benefit that as those same rules distinctly disadvantage defense.

It seems if one wants to win one has to have an elite qb or at least have a qb play elite ball at the right time.

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So what is your point, exactly? Are you disagreeing with notion I put forth that the Eagles selected Hurts late in the second because they probably didn't view him as a perfect QB prospect that could make all the throws? You are all over the place. 

Here's a handy list of QB's taken round 2 or later in just the last 5 years not counting the most recent class. How many of these guys do you want leading your team? Funny, these professionally, paid scouts just might know a thing or two while not being perfect. 

5	2	21	53	Jalen Hurts	Eagles	Oklahoma
	6	4	16	122	Jacob Eason	Colts	Washington
	7	4	19	125	James Morgan	Jets	Florida International
	8	5	21	167	Jake Fromm	Bills	Georgia
	9	6	10	189	Jake Luton	Jaguars	Oregon State
	10	7	10	224	Cole McDonald	Titans	Hawaii
	11	7	17	231	Ben DiNucci	Cowboys	James Madison
	12	7	26	240	Tommy Stevens	Saints	Mississippi State
	13	7	30	244	Nate Stanley	Vikings	Iowa

 

4	2	10	42	Drew Lock	Broncos	Missouri
	5	3	36	100	Will Grier	Panthers	West Virginia
	6	4	2	104	Ryan Finley	Bengals	North Carolina State
	7	4	31	133	Jarrett Stidham	Patriots	Auburn
	8	5	28	166	Easton Stick	Chargers	North Dakota State
	9	5	29	167	Clayton Thorson	Eagles	Northwestern
	10	6	5	178	Gardner Minshew	Jaguars	Washington State
	11	6	24	197	Trace McSorley	Ravens	Penn State

 

6	3	12	76	Mason Rudolph	Steelers	Oklahoma State
	7	4	8	108	Kyle Lauletta	Giants	Richmond
	8	5	34	171	Mike White	Cowboys	Western Kentucky
	9	6	25	199	Luke Falk	Titans	Washington State
	10	6	29	203	Tanner Lee	Jaguars	Nebraska
	11	7	1	219	Danny Etling	Patriots	Louisiana State
	12	7	2	220	Alex McGough	Seahawks	Florida International
	13	7	31	249	Logan Woodside	Bengals	Toledo

 

4	2	20	52	DeShone Kizer	Browns	Notre Dame
	5	3	23	87	Davis Webb	Giants	California
	6	3	40	104	C.J. Beathard	49ers	Iowa
	7	4	29	135	Joshua Dobbs	Steelers	Tennessee
	8	5	28	171	Nathan Peterman	Bills	Pittsburgh
	9	6	32	215	Brad Kaaya	Lions	Miami (FL)
	10	7	35	253	Chad Kelly	Broncos	Mississippi

 

4	2	20	51	Christian Hackenberg	Jets	Penn State
	5	3	29	91	Jacoby Brissett	Patriots	North Carolina State
	6	3	31	93	Cody Kessler	Browns	USC
	7	4	2	100	Connor Cook	Raiders	Michigan State
	8	4	37	135	Dak Prescott	Cowboys	Mississippi State
	9	4	41	139	Cardale Jones	Bills	Ohio State
	10	5	25	162	Kevin Hogan	Chiefs	Stanford
	11	6	12	187	Nate Sudfeld	Redskins	Indiana
	12	6	16	191	Jake Rudock	Lions	Michigan
	13	6	26	201	Brandon Allen	Jaguars	Arkansas
	14	6	32	207	Jeff Driskel	49ers	Louisiana Tech
	15	7	2	223	Brandon Doughty	Dolphins	Western Kentucky

This list gives me tons of hope!!  

I knew it was hit or miss (more miss much less hit), but seeing this is depressing.  

22 hours ago, Utebird said:

There seems to be some mild hype over Dickerson and some have suggested he could or should supplant seumalo and I'd ask what's the rush???

He's a rookie he's coming off Injury nobody expects eagles to compete this year seumalo isn't horrible, so what's the rush???

I'll take that for now 

For this year?

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So what is your point, exactly? Are you disagreeing with notion I put forth that the Eagles selected Hurts late in the second because they probably didn't view him as a perfect QB prospect that could make all the throws? You are all over the place. 

Here's a handy list of QB's taken round 2 or later in just the last 5 years not counting the most recent class. How many of these guys do you want leading your team? Funny, these professionally, paid scouts just might know a thing or two while not being perfect. 

5	2	21	53	Jalen Hurts	Eagles	Oklahoma
	6	4	16	122	Jacob Eason	Colts	Washington
	7	4	19	125	James Morgan	Jets	Florida International
	8	5	21	167	Jake Fromm	Bills	Georgia
	9	6	10	189	Jake Luton	Jaguars	Oregon State
	10	7	10	224	Cole McDonald	Titans	Hawaii
	11	7	17	231	Ben DiNucci	Cowboys	James Madison
	12	7	26	240	Tommy Stevens	Saints	Mississippi State
	13	7	30	244	Nate Stanley	Vikings	Iowa

 

4	2	10	42	Drew Lock	Broncos	Missouri
	5	3	36	100	Will Grier	Panthers	West Virginia
	6	4	2	104	Ryan Finley	Bengals	North Carolina State
	7	4	31	133	Jarrett Stidham	Patriots	Auburn
	8	5	28	166	Easton Stick	Chargers	North Dakota State
	9	5	29	167	Clayton Thorson	Eagles	Northwestern
	10	6	5	178	Gardner Minshew	Jaguars	Washington State
	11	6	24	197	Trace McSorley	Ravens	Penn State

 

6	3	12	76	Mason Rudolph	Steelers	Oklahoma State
	7	4	8	108	Kyle Lauletta	Giants	Richmond
	8	5	34	171	Mike White	Cowboys	Western Kentucky
	9	6	25	199	Luke Falk	Titans	Washington State
	10	6	29	203	Tanner Lee	Jaguars	Nebraska
	11	7	1	219	Danny Etling	Patriots	Louisiana State
	12	7	2	220	Alex McGough	Seahawks	Florida International
	13	7	31	249	Logan Woodside	Bengals	Toledo

 

4	2	20	52	DeShone Kizer	Browns	Notre Dame
	5	3	23	87	Davis Webb	Giants	California
	6	3	40	104	C.J. Beathard	49ers	Iowa
	7	4	29	135	Joshua Dobbs	Steelers	Tennessee
	8	5	28	171	Nathan Peterman	Bills	Pittsburgh
	9	6	32	215	Brad Kaaya	Lions	Miami (FL)
	10	7	35	253	Chad Kelly	Broncos	Mississippi

 

4	2	20	51	Christian Hackenberg	Jets	Penn State
	5	3	29	91	Jacoby Brissett	Patriots	North Carolina State
	6	3	31	93	Cody Kessler	Browns	USC
	7	4	2	100	Connor Cook	Raiders	Michigan State
	8	4	37	135	Dak Prescott	Cowboys	Mississippi State
	9	4	41	139	Cardale Jones	Bills	Ohio State
	10	5	25	162	Kevin Hogan	Chiefs	Stanford
	11	6	12	187	Nate Sudfeld	Redskins	Indiana
	12	6	16	191	Jake Rudock	Lions	Michigan
	13	6	26	201	Brandon Allen	Jaguars	Arkansas
	14	6	32	207	Jeff Driskel	49ers	Louisiana Tech
	15	7	2	223	Brandon Doughty	Dolphins	Western Kentucky

My point is that being a #1 draft choice guarantees nothing except that you will tie a lot of money up in a guy who is more likely to bust than not. The vehemence with which some in here criticize Hurts astonishes me. Nothing I haven't said before, I acknowledge.

16 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

If you count field goals, then yes they did.  Outside of that the Pats didn't punt a single time.

What happened when Tom Brady didn't catch the sideline pass? I can't remember

55 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Looking at Rice's numbers vs. his contemporaries is total insanity. 

Lol it's like saying Gretzky wasn't the GOAT in hockey. It's insanity to argue anything else. 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

What happened when Tom Brady didn't catch the sideline pass? I can't remember

That's cause yer gettin' old

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

My point is that being a #1 draft choice guarantees nothing except that you will tie a lot of money up in a guy who is more likely to bust than not. The vehemence with which some in here criticize Hurts astonishes me. Nothing I haven't said before, I acknowledge.

I hardly see how pointing out that because of where he was selected, the scouts probably didn’t view him as a perfect prospect as "criticism”. Why else did he last until back half of the 2nd round? And if the #1 draft choice is more likely to bust than not, what does that make the 5th QB taken?

6 minutes ago, greend said:

What happened when Tom Brady didn't catch the sideline pass? I can't remember

Well DANG.....Marc Zumov retired.  I've said it multiple times, my favorite sports announcer.  Totally bummed, Sixers games won't be the same without hearing him say 

"And they're on their feet here at the Wells Fargo Center"

 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I hardly see how pointing out that because of where he was selected, the scouts probably didn’t view him as a perfect prospect as "criticism”. Why else did he last until back half of the 2nd round? And if the #1 draft choice is more likely to bust than not, what does that make the 5th QB taken?

A super long shot...which should not be a surprise to anyone.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Uhhh.  How do I put this.   
 

 

 

 

NO!!!!!!      
 

 

I make that trade today. 

31 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This list gives me tons of hope!!  

I knew it was hit or miss (more miss much less hit), but seeing this is depressing.  

Ben DiNucci side arming passes doesn't inspire you?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ben DiNucci side arming passes doesn't inspire you?

He was the outlier, but I thought that was a given.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Uhhh.  How do I put this.   
 

 

 

 

NO!!!!!!      
 

 

I am not a Sixers fan.  Curious, why no on this trade.  I would do it in a hot minute if I was the 6ers.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Replace Maxey with Milton and I’d be down.  I don’t want to lose Maxey.  Especially for a 31+ year old.  

You win a title though.......................

1 hour ago, greend said:

For this year?

I'm sorry I don't understand the question, I think the, for now, was in response to another question. I could be mistaken.

What's the question you are posing?

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You win a title though.......................

Not if the 3 knuckleheads in Brooklyn are healthy. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

What a glorious sequence of plays. That Jenkins hit on Cooks was awesome, and the Brady drop icing on the cake. F the Pats!

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol it's like saying Gretzky wasn't the GOAT in hockey. It's insanity to argue anything else. 

 Personally I think Mario was  the best  , with Howe , Orr , Gretzky right there .

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wouldn’t guarantee that.   

Hey man catch the England/Germany game? Good stuff 

Lillard to the Knicks if I was a betting man. They are a PG away from being a perennial playoff team. Julius Randle had an abysmal playoff performance being the focal point on offense and constantly being double teamed. Add a bonafide scorer and distributor like Lillard and the Knicks are a Top 3 team in the East.

10 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Lillard to the Knicks if I was a betting man. They are a PG away from being a perennial playoff team. Julius Randle had an abysmal playoff performance being the focal point on offense and constantly being double teamed. Add a bonafide scorer and distributor like Lillard and the Knicks are a Top 3 team in the East.

I think adding Lillard to any of the playoff teams would put that team closer to being a championship team 

He's a great player he's just never had much around him other than McCollum.

Hey maybe he goes back to Utah, he played college ball there and he and Donovan Mitchell would be a lot to handle and having said that one runs into the same problem of having two smaller defenders on the perimeter.

Not sure how big 6ers other guards are but what you gain in offense with lilliard you lose in defense with Simmons leaving, not to say Lillard is a bad defender but he's not on the same level nor has the length Simmons does.

12 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Lillard to the Knicks if I was a betting man. They are a PG away from being a perennial playoff team. Julius Randle had an abysmal playoff performance being the focal point on offense and constantly being double teamed. Add a bonafide scorer and distributor like Lillard and the Knicks are a Top 3 team in the East.

 

I doubt Lillard would want to go there because they aren't a contender with him.  And they really don't have assets to make a good offer for him either.