2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

not in the next round. or the finals. Still going nowhere. 

That’s hilarious. You add Dame to the team and subtract Ben and Maxey and we get to the Finals game 6 at minimum. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

not in the next round. or the finals. Still going nowhere. 

You don't think Dame and Embiid could beat Milwaukee ?? 6ers gave up 109, 132 and 124 to the Bucks in the regular season.  You needed to score more points.

Split with the Clippers, gave up 122 in the loss, lost both to the Suns giving up 116 and 120.

IMO you could beat the Bucks, and either west team in the finals if  you can score enough points, which you can not with Simmons.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

You don't think Dame and Embiid could beat Milwaukee ?? 6ers gave up 109, 132 and 124 to the Bucks in the regular season.  You needed to score more points.

Split with the Clippers, gave up 122 in the loss, lost both to the Suns giving up 116 and 120.

IMO you could beat the Bucks, and either west team in the finals if  you can score enough points, which you can not with Simmons.

Embiid's knee would be worsening. Youd pretty much only have Lillard. No. We would lose. If we scraped by, we wouldnt win the finals. 1 star is not enough. 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This isnt a Simmons vs Embiid discussion. And all of the Embiid stats are completely worthless to 6ers fans who watched the series. Youll score points with casual fans and thats it. Which doesnt matter to me because I know better. 

 

Then why did you bring Embiid into the discussion.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

9.9 PPG and 15 of 45 from the free throw line vs 34 PPG and 47 of 50 from the free throw line.

6ers lost games to Atlanta by 7, 3, 3 and 4, and blew multiple 20 point leads.

You don't think Lillard would have made a difference in the Hawks series ??  And before you bring up Ben's defense, the Hawks averaged 107.8 PPG and Trae Young averaged 29 PPG.

 

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think they could have won game 7 just by having Danny Green defending Boganovic and Galinari instead of letting them shoot over Curry with ease all game long.  That sort of makes the rest of the post irrelevant. 

I also think replacing Ben with a great offensive player is fine and Ive been wanting to do that for longer than anyone. So lets not try to pretend any different. Dont worry, Im not going to make an argument to support a #1 overall pick being nothing but a defensive specialist. 

But when Embiid is injured again next post-season, and the one after, and the one after, etc.... Lillard isnt going to do it alone. And hes already in his 30s. And youre talking about giving up the young talent to build a team thats not going to win a finals. Its not worth it. 

Any trade they make with Ben should keep them contenders this year. But it also needs to protect or improve depth, and assets. Otherwise we are on a crash course for the bottom of the league again. And that will be here fast.

 

Joe Flacco TD passes in 2021 -- O/U 10 TD?

Philly sports are so freaking depressing right now. 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Joe Flacco TD passes in 2021 -- O/U 10 TD?

*searches Nick Foles 2017 stats*

7 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

If the hopeful wish is mediocrity what's the point of hope?  The hope should be he becomes a complete stud.  That's what I hope.  The heck with hoping he is middle of the pack.  What a boring hope that is.  At least have fun with things that don't yet exist.  

For 2021, hoping for more than that is just setting oneself up for disappointment.

There is no sound argument against trading for Lillard.  None.

 

The window to win with Embiid is now.  Trade Simmons, Trade Maxey, trade multiple firsts and hopefully you don't have to trade Matisse too but if you do then so be it and try to get Covington back to fill in that role.  

 

They aren't winning anything with Simmons.  With Lillard they not only maintain as one of the best teams in the East/NBA but they will also be legitimate contenders because they will have an actual great PG and not someone who shrinks and disappears and becomes a major liability on the offensive end in the playoffs.  

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1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We all hope that.  But be realistic and understand that there’s steps in progression.   Not just with Hurts but the Eagles as a hole.  You’re naive if you think he’ll be able to show he’s a "stud” as early as this coming season.  

 

It's certainly possible.  Plenty of QBs make significant leaps in year 2.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Every price has a limit, genius.  Of course there’s a sound argument.  If the price is too steep then you don’t do it.  I’d rather not include Maxey in the deal.   That’s a sound argument.   Much smarter than your "whatever it takes” plan.  I bet you wanted to do that Harden proposed deal to.   

No it isn't.  Maxey has potential to be a 22ppg player who works hard and is likable, he will be beloved if he stays in Philly.  His ceiling is a decent starter or great bench player.  You package him in that deal every single time if it nets you Lillard.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Every price has a limit, genius.  Of course there’s a sound argument.  If the price is too steep then you don’t do it.  I’d rather not include Maxey in the deal.   That’s a sound argument.   Much smarter than your "whatever it takes” plan.  I bet you wanted to do that Harden proposed deal to.   

 

Maxey is the deal breaker for you? That's ridiculous.  You're trading for Dame Lillard who is arguably a top 3 PG in the league.  That makes Maxey, a PG, completely expendable in a trade. 

The only player that shouldn't be in the table in a Lillard trade is Embiid, beyond that everyone else would be fair game.  

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  Complete QB prospects.  Not those who are one read and run QB’s.  He needs time to develop.   

He's been developing under some of he best coaching since he was a freshman in college and his improvement as a passer from that point has been clear. 

It's reasonable to anticipate Hurts establishing himself as the second best QB in the division this season. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Couldn’t disagree more.  But the point was that RTK makes it sound like you send whatever it takes.  And then says there isn’t a "sound argument against trading for Lillard”.    Which is not a sound strategy at all, since the price can get too high.   I wouldn’t include Maxey.  

Maxey has potential to have a Tobias Harris impact, potentially as a 3rd option on a contending team, maybe.  More likely he will average 18-20ppg, make smart plays work hard, his shooting and free throw percentage will get better over the years but he will never be a deadly assign like Lillard.  Lillard will close a game out.  You have to guard Lillard 5 feet behind the 3 point line.  He is the Anti-Ben.  The spacing on the team would be unreal.  His impact would be 3x that of someone like Maxey.  Seth Cury will look more like Steph Curry with all the space he has to operate with.  He will score more and hit more 3's.  I like Maxey too but this is not even an argument.

47 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Joe Flacco TD passes in 2021 -- O/U 10 TD?

Under. He’d have to start like 7 games and if something happens to Hurts that keeps him out an extended time I wouldn’t be surprised if they just went with Mullens 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s a pretty f-ing low bar there sport.  That would still have him middle to low end of the pack in the entire NFL.  

It's not that low of a bar in his second season and first as starter to establish himself as 2nd only to a top 10 QB in his prime. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Maxey has potential to have a Tobias Harris impact, potentially as a 3rd option on a contending team, maybe.  More likely he will average 18-20ppg, make smart plays work hard, his shooting and free throw percentage will get better over the years but he will never be a deadly assign like Lillard.  Lillard will close a game out.  You have to guard Lillard 5 feet behind the 3 point line.  He is the Anti-Ben.  The spacing on the team would be unreal.  His impact would be 3x that of someone like Maxey.  Seth Cury will be look more like Steph Curry with all the space he has to operate with.  He will score more and hit more 3's.  I like Maxey too but this is not even an argument.

And by the time Maxey is at that level to be a 3ed option on a contending team, if he ever gets to that level, wouldn't be until he is in his late 20s and by that point Embiid will be washed. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s a pretty f-ing low bar there sport.  That would still have him middle to low end of the pack in the entire NFL.  

Hurts beating out Daniel Jones and Ryan Fitzpatrick. MVP right there 

All you need to do is watch the first 2 minutes.  He has Ben Simmons range 😂

 

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You just argued on the last page that if he could take a "significant leap” and become a stud.  Now your bar is for him to be the second best QB in the NFC East?  LOL.  Man, way to stick to your guns.   😀

 

Well people like you think he's won of the worst QBs in the NFL that can't play QB.  Would establishing himself as a top 15 QB in the league his first year as a starter not represent a significant leap? 

Sorry Portland, but Maxey is a deal breaker.  

 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Logo Lillard.   Great nickname.  

Can't trade Maxey for him because his nickname stinks!  Whether you like it or not (you obviously do not), these are the guys who the NBA is tailored for.  Harden, Lillard, Steph, Trae.  It is all about 3 point shooting and having great and entertaining guards.  You keep Maxey and stay a pretender for more years.  I'll take Lillard and have a chance for 1 or 2 championships.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Quote where I have ever said he’s ONE of the worst QB’s in the NFL.  He’s ONE of the worst starters, right now.  Yes.  And I’m not the only one who said that.   But I have never said one of the worst QBs in the NFL.  And I have never said he can’t play QB.  I have said he’s limited.    I also said, multiple times today, that if he’s middle of the pack then that would be a nice leap in his progression.  It’s nice to see that I can sway your warped expectations and judgment.    You’re gonna make ish up now?   Like that Mormon liar?   

 

 

 

So you just said you think he's one of the worst QBs in the league.  Establishing himself as a top 15 QB in his first season as a starter would not qualify as a significant leap? 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Did I say his nickname stinks?!?   JFC.  I just said it was a great nickname.  WTF is going on in here lately?   MFERs just making ish up and running with it.   

I thought you were being sarcastic, sorry man.

Jalen Hurts is going to take a significant jump this year and end up in the top 30 QB discussion.