Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

One of the worst starters!!!!   There’s 32 starters in the NFL. He’s one of them.  Each team has 2-3 QB’s on the roster, that means there will be around 70-80 QB’s in the NFL.    I don’t believe he is be one of the worst QB’s in the NFL.  No.  One of the worst starters!   Yes. 
Him elevating to middle of the pack would be a nice step for him.  I wouldn’t say it would be a significant leap.  No.  Or him being a "stud” like you said.  But then backtracked and said at least the second best in the NFC East.  Like that’s some great accomplishment.  He could be that and still be a bottom tier QB.  

 

We are talking about the same thing here and you're getting hung up on QB when I'm talking about starters as well. 

 

Would himself as a top 15 QB in his first season as a starter would not qualify as a significant leap when you view him as one of the worst starters in the league? 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

One of the worst starters!!!!   There’s 32 starters in the NFL. He’s one of them.  Each team has 2-3 QB’s on the roster, that means there will be around 70-80 QB’s in the NFL.    I don’t believe he is be one of the worst QB’s in the NFL.  No.  One of the worst starters!   Yes. 
Him elevating to middle of the pack would be a nice step for him.  I wouldn’t say it would be a significant leap.  No.  Or him being a "stud” like you said.  But then backtracked and said at least the second best in the NFC East.  Like that’s some great accomplishment.  He could be that and still be a bottom tier QB.  

C'mon dude, just give up. He's going to possibly outplay Danny Dimes and Fitztragic. How much more do you want from the guy?

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

One of the worst starters!!!!   There’s 32 starters in the NFL. He’s one of them.  Each team has 2-3 QB’s on the roster, that means there will be around 70-80 QB’s in the NFL.    I don’t believe he is be one of the worst QB’s in the NFL.  No.  One of the worst starters!   Yes. 
Him elevating to middle of the pack would be a nice step for him.  I wouldn’t say it would be a significant leap.  No.  Or him being a "stud” like you said.  But then backtracked and said at least the second best in the NFC East.  Like that’s some great accomplishment.  He could be that and still be a bottom tier QB.  

All good.  You’d be wise not to join RTK in any discussion.  Moronic by Osmosis.  

Honestly I was not joining him, we just happened to agree.  I have going on about this all day because HE is the one saying he doesn't want Lillard.  And he knows much more about the NBA than me, so I can't tell if he is just trying to be different or if he truly believes that.

Also to circle back to this ridiculous notion of Maxey being the deal breaker. If there is any young player you would want to keep in a Lillard trade its Matisse due to the insanely great defensive player that he is and the defensive player we would be losing in Simmons.  Even then he wouldn't be a deal breaker but he would be the one that you try to hold onto. 

 

But to act like Maxey is the deal breaker of a Lillard trade is so completely perplexing. 

Changed his jersey to match his new ranking in the NFL.

Just now, dawkdaballhawk said:

Changed his jersey to match how many seasons in Philly he'll be the starter

FYP.

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh wow.  Look at Rueben Randle.   Calling someone else’s opinion into question.   Such a great track record you have.   

 

Can you explain the logic of your thought process on Maxey, a PG, being untouchable in a trade for Lillard, arguably a top 3 PG in the NBA in his prime? 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I said I don’t want to include him in that deal.   I’d much rather trade Milton than Maxey.   Don’t even try to go there with me you clown.  I have my opinion on the deal that was discussed.  That’s that.  You disagree.   Cool.  I know you’re desperate to score points in here with anyone.  Must be tough.  Because you take your lumps.  That’s for sure.   

 

Who am I trying to score points with?  Does Damian Lillard post here and I wasn't aware?  I think anyone would rather trade Shake than Maxey.  But you stated including Maxey in a deal as an example of an argument against trading for Lillard which is crazy.  

I really hope Hurts succeeds because he seems like the easiest guy in the world to root for. Maybe second to Warrick Dunn.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Then why did you bring Embiid into the discussion.

 

 

Because the trade discussion for most people centers on building around Embiid. Im saying its not a good idea, and though he is still here for now we should be concerned with keeping our best young talent and accumulating assets. 

Thats not even close to making it a Simmons vs Embiid discussion. You should be asking yourself why you did that.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Maxey has potential to have a Tobias Harris impact, potentially as a 3rd option on a contending team, maybe.  More likely he will average 18-20ppg, make smart plays work hard, his shooting and free throw percentage will get better over the years but he will never be a deadly assign like Lillard.  Lillard will close a game out.  You have to guard Lillard 5 feet behind the 3 point line.  He is the Anti-Ben.  The spacing on the team would be unreal.  His impact would be 3x that of someone like Maxey.  Seth Cury will look more like Steph Curry with all the space he has to operate with.  He will score more and hit more 3's.  I like Maxey too but this is not even an argument.

How do you know Maxey has a Tobi ceiling, and not a Jimmy Butler ceiling?

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Honestly I was not joining him, we just happened to agree.  I have going on about this all day because HE is the one saying he doesn't want Lillard.  And he knows much more about the NBA than me, so I can't tell if he is just trying to be different or if he truly believes that.

wtf? I never said I didnt want Lillard.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Because the trade discussion for most people centers on building around Embiid. Im saying its not a good idea, and though he is still here for now we should be concerned with keeping our best young talent and accumulating assets. 

Thats not even close to making it a Simmons vs Embiid discussion. You should be asking yourself why you did that.

Which scenario is more likely to bring a championship:

Scenario 1-

We trade for Lillard, give up Ben, Maxey and 3 1st round picks.  Embiid stays healthy enough and we win a championship and get to the finals twice of the next 4 years.

Scenario 2-

Trade Embiid now, trade Ben, find two superstars in the next 4 years and win a championship.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

wtf? I never said I didnt want Lillard.

You said you would not trade Maxey if it meant bringing in Lillard and that you preferred building a deep team through the draft and banking on our guys to step up, did you not?

6 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Which scenario is more likely to bring a championship:

Scenario 1-

We trade for Lillard, give up Ben, Maxey and 3 1st round picks.  Embiid stays healthy enough and we win a championship and get to the finals twice of the next 4 years.

Scenario 2-

Trade Embiid now, trade Ben, find two superstars in the next 4 years and win a championship.

neither scenario has a chance to happen.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

neither scenario has a chance to happen.

So we are going to become the 2000's Pistons and just build a team with 5 quality starters and win a championship that way?

9 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You said you would not trade Maxey if it meant bringing in Lillard and that you preferred building a deep team through the draft and banking on our guys to step up, did you not?

I said the same thing as 4for4. I dont give Maxey in that deal.

I never said I dont want Lillard.

Youre conflating the other discussion when I presented a deal with cleveland for the 3rd pick and other depth pieces including Nance, and Prince.

 

The 2 can merge where Im not giving up our best young player, plus a bunch of picks. Because, yes I prefer a super deep team compared to a super top heavy team. 

What one can not assume is that I dont want Lillard.

Take that Lillard deal and put in Thybulle instead of Maxey and Im game. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So we are going to become the 2000's Pistons and just build a team with 5 quality starters and win a championship that way?

Youre finally getting it.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

Youre finally getting it.

Just an FYI, its 2021, 2000's basketball doesn't work anymore.  That is why your logic is flawed.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For 2021, hoping for more than that is just setting oneself up for disappointment.

What?  Hope has no expectations attached to it.   Hope is free and clear.  That's what makes it so great and fun.

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Just an FYI, its 2021, 2000's basketball doesn't work anymore.  That is why your logic is flawed.

wrong. Phoenix is gonna win the whole thing. CP3 is ancient but still effective. They have 1 super star in his prime in Booker. And a bunch of really good players. Hell, Ayton and Bridges are still both very young. 

They dont have to play 2000s style basketball. But the roster construction can be the same. And youre seeing it head back that way with teams like Utah and Phoenix going deep and knocking off the top heavy super teams.

Milwaukee is going to win the east. They have 1 super star and a bunch of good players. Not a 3 player super team. They are playing the Hawks. 1 super star and a whole bunch of shooters around him.

There is 1 super team left and Pheonix is going to put them away.  Welcome to the 2020's. Youre stuck in the 2010s. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

wrong. Phoenix is gonna win the whole thing. CP3 is ancient but still effective. They have 1 super star in his prime in Booker. And a bunch of really good players. Hell, Ayton and Bridges are still both very young. 

They dont have to play 2000s style basketball. But the roster construction can be the same. And youre seeing it head back that way with teams like Utah and Phoenix going deep and knocking off the top heavy super teams.

They are the outlier, not the norm.  I think it would be harder to build a more successful team with a lot of very good players when we hopefully have the potential to have 2 stars in their prime, although for a shorter window.  You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.

Just now, Khani1 said:

They are the outlier, not the norm.  I think it would be harder to build a more successful team with a lot of very good players when we hopefully have the potential to have 2 stars in their prime, although for a shorter window.  You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.

I added to my post. 3 of the last 4 teams remaining is not an outlier. LA clippers are the outlier. Theyre the last super team remaining. Not for much longer either.

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We all hope that.  But be realistic and understand that there’s steps in progression.   Not just with Hurts but the Eagles as a hole.  You’re naive if you think he’ll be able to show he’s a "stud” as early as this coming season.  

Realistic? Naive?  Jeez, uncle buzz kill lecture your kids, not me.  He'll be whatever he is and I'll accept the outcome.  I hope it's greatness immediately as that is what would be the most fun.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I added to my post. 3 of the last 4 teams remaining is not an outlier. LA clippers are the outlier. Theyre the last super team remaining. Not for much longer either.

You are right, my fault.  Good point.  Still aren't selling on me trading Embiid yet.  If things go poorly next year depending on how the roster is, I would THINK about moving him then.  It is still too early.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

They are the outlier, not the norm.  I think it would be harder to build a more successful team with a lot of very good players when we hopefully have the potential to have 2 stars in their prime, although for a shorter window.  You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.

It is probably pretty easy to build a great depth team. Stop trading away like 5 assets for 1 player, and look to be the team getting all of those assets in return.