Just now, Khani1 said:

You are right, my fault.  Good point.  Still aren't selling on me trading Embiid yet.  If things go poorly next year depending on how the roster is, I would THINK about moving him then.  It is still too early.

I dont exactly WANT to trade Embiid just yet. Im more in to building a ton of depth around him. So if he is injured, you can potentially survive. We NEED to be built to survive his injuries, because they are inevitable. 

Just like Phoenix survived Chris Paul's absence for COVID. 

For this coming season, you can build great depth with this Simmons trade. And you will still have Joel. And IF he stays healthy thats a huge bonus. But when he is finally gone (Im out on the super max he is due for) youre going to have assets to try to get another star in who can carry the team. And that next star will be in a great situation surrounded by a ton of talent and depth.

Its the new way... people arent catching on yet.

The top heavy super teams are getting bit by injury and then theyre nothing. LAkers got the AD injury. Nets got the Harden and Irving injuries. LA Clippers got the Kawhi injury. We got the Embiid injury. Last year it was the Simmons injury. 

It takes incredible luck for all of your stars to stay healthy through the long season, and then grueling 7 game series in each round of the playoffs. You are seeing the depth teams take advantage of those scenarios and swing the pendulum back the other way for roster construction.

 

 

With all that said, if they did move on from Embiid because they dont want to give him the super max, Im totally fine with that. Because hes not worth it since he will never be healthy for a post-season. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I said the same thing as 4for4. I dont give Maxey in that deal.

I never said I dont want Lillard.

Youre conflating the other discussion when I presented a deal with cleveland for the 3rd pick and other depth pieces including Nance, and Prince.

 

The 2 can merge where Im not giving up our best young player, plus a bunch of picks. Because, yes I prefer a super deep team compared to a super top heavy team. 

What one can not assume is that I dont want Lillard.

Take that Lillard deal and put in Thybulle instead of Maxey and Im game. 

Youre finally getting it.

 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Just an FYI, its 2021, 2000's basketball doesn't work anymore.  That is why your logic is flawed.

I think you both have a point here.

I hate backwards blueprints (ie building an offense around a running QB and a running back).  The NBA is a bit more of a rapid moving target.  The current cutting edge is a precise 3-point assault with 2 super, super stars surrounded by depth.  

The problem is that Philly is Philly.  You aren't going to get superstars to decide to meet up here and form a superteam.  Thats for Miami, CA, and NY.  

None of this is easy, but it may be easier to go 5 deep with stars, not superstars, than it is to get those 2 top-of-the NBA guys to just win games on their own.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

I think you both have a point here.

I hate backwards blueprints (ie building an offense around a running QB and a running back).  The NBA is a bit more of a rapid moving target.  The current cutting edge is a precise 3-point assault with 2 super, super stars surrounded by depth.  

The problem is that Philly is Philly.  You aren't going to get superstars to decide to meet up here and form a superteam.  Thats for Miami, CA, and NY.  

None of this is easy, but it may be easier to go 5 deep with stars, not superstars, than it is to get those 2 top-of-the NBA guys to just win games on their own.

Im not arguing against having any super stars. If we can have 1 or 2 surrounded by really good starters, and quality depth thats ideal.

Where we went wrong was going for the 3rd, and even 4th star. We got Butler, and then still sold the farm for Tobias Harris. Butler left and then we still tried to get a 4th with Horford and got stuck with that horrible contract. You deplete too many assets and too much of your bench. Then you cant overcome 1 injury.

Its one thing to not be able to overcome an injury to one of the stars (though some of these deep teams have been). Its another to be sunk by the injury of Danny Green when we had to watch Seth Curry get eaten alive by Bodganovic and Galinari in game 7.

If one of our stars was a useful offensive playe rather than Ben, and if we spent Horfords 90 million on like 3 other good players we would be looking at a potential dynasty right now.

Instead, we are looking to make a blockbuster move and trade Ben. And going all in on getting another star to build around Embiid and his fatal flaw. This team will not get a championship. The only way to try to re-set it is to go for depth in this Simmons trade. Not a super star. Maybe a Harris level player 3rd option type player (McCollum?), and a depth piece, or top pick.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s me.  I’m crazy.  

Meh.  These kind of stories are a dime a dozen.   There’s plenty of good guys in the NFL.  

Yea, our previous QB did just as many cool acts and people didn't lose their minds over it.  Strange how it seems people in general want Hurts to succeed but were happy to see Wentz fail.

I hope both succeed.  Both seem like really good humans in different ways.  

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Just an FYI, its 2021, 2000's basketball doesn't work anymore.  That is why your logic is flawed.

Here's a unique league spinoff idea for all major sports leagues.  Secondary leagues based on different eras rules.

Miss football of the 80s and 90s where CB were allowed to jam WR, the running game mattered and there weren't ticky tacky roughing the passer and targeting calls.  You can watch the NFL90s league.

A basketball league with size restrictions would be interesting.  No more of almost 5 interchangeable guys on the court at once.

I think the NFL and NBA are going to be at a tipping point with fans soon, if not already and it's a great time for alternative leagues to give it a shot.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

How do you know Maxey has a Tobi ceiling, and not a Jimmy Butler ceiling?

 

Do you realize if Maxey becomes a player like that it won't be until years down the road when Embiid's prime has already passed?  The Sixers are operating with a window right now that is not going to be open for long.  They need to capitalize and not waste Embiid's prime.  

 

You win in the NBA by gathering elite talent.  You trade assets to get that talent.  That is what the Clippers did with Paul George after signing Kawhi.  That's what the Suns did by obtaining Chris Paul.  That's what the Nets did with Kyrie and Harden.  That's what the Lakers did last year and basically what LeBron has had his teams do over his entire run over the past decade.  That's what the Bucks did this season by trading for Jrue.  

 

Lillard & Embiid is a title contending pair of players.  

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Do you realize if Maxey becomes a player like that it won't be until years down the road when Embiid's prime has already passed?  The Sixers are operating with a window right now that is not going to be open for long.  They need to capitalize and not waste Embiid's prime.  

 

You win in the NBA by gathering elite talent.  You trade assets to get that talent.  That is what the Clippers did with Paul George after signing Kawhi.  That's what the Suns did by obtaining Chris Paul.  That's what the Nets did with Kyrie and Harden.  That's what the Lakers did last year and basically what LeBron has had his teams do over his entire run over the past decade.  That's what the Bucks did this season by trading for Jrue.  

 

Lillard & Embiid is a title contending pair of players.  

No they arent. The sooner people realize that, the better.

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No they arent. The sooner people realize that, the better.

 

Yes they are.  You don't understand basketball if you think the building blocks of these team are the likes of Maxey and not Embiid. 

 

Your post earlier this page was about using Simmons to acquire "great depth".  Like what are you talking about?  That isn't how you win in the NBA.  You win with great star talent that you can lean on.  Despite what you might think by tuning in these past playoffs and watching the Doc Rivers Sixers, you are not supposed to go deep into your bench in the playoffs.   It's not about having great depth, it's about having great talent.  The NBA isn't the NFL. 

Giannis just Fed his knee up

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yes they are.  You don't understand basketball if you think the building blocks of these team are the likes of Maxey and not Embiid. 

 

Your post earlier this page was about using Simmons to acquire "great depth".  Like what are you talking about?  That isn't how you win in the NBA.  You win with great star talent that you can lean on.  Despite what you might think by tuning in these past playoffs and watching the Doc Rivers Sixers, you are not supposed to go deep into your bench in the playoffs.   It's not about having great depth, it's about having great talent.  The NBA isn't the NFL. 

are?

No. Were.

Youre not caught up yet. 

The building blocks were Embiid and Simmons. Simmons is hopefully (likely?) on his way out. Embiid has never been healthy for an entire post-season and theyve never gotten to an eastern conference finals with him. 

Those building blocks have crumbled. 

As far as depth, Ive explained that numerous times. And I even pointed out how the super team roster construction is going the way of the dinosaur. Most people havent recognized yet. But just look at this years playoffs....

Youll catch up in a few years.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

are?

No. Were.

Youre not caught up yet. 

The building blocks were Embiid and Simmons. Simmons is hopefully (likely?) on his way out. Embiid has never been healthy for an entire post-season and theyve never gotten to an eastern conference finals with him. 

Those building blocks have crumbled. 

As far as depth, Ive explained that numerous times. And I even pointed out how the super team roster construction is going the way of the dinosaur. Most people havent recognized yet. But just look at this years playoffs....

Youll catch up in a few years.

 

Lmao

 

You want to blow up the team?  You have one of the greatest centers to play the game in his prime and you want to move on from him? Unreal.  I have never seen such bad Sixers takes than I have seen in this thread since the playoffs started and people here started talking about them. 

 

You move on from Embiid and you're likely going to go back to drifting for a decade or two until you land another generational player that you can contend with. What the Sixers/Morey need to do, and thankfully what they will do instead of your ridiculous idea of practically starting all over, is to try and find away to bring a better second option onto this team to take full advantage of Embiid'a prime years. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s not smart.  

Says the guy who said trading Maxey would be going too far in a Damian Lillard trade. 

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Lmao

 

You want to blow up the team?  You have one of the greatest centers to play the game in his prime and you want to move on from him? Unreal.  I have never seen such bad Sixers takes than I have seen in this thread since the playoffs started and people here started talking about them. 

 

You move on from Embiid and you're likely going to go back to drifting for a decade or two until you land another generational player that you can contend with. What the Sixers/Morey need to do, and thankfully what they will do instead of your ridiculous idea of practically starting all over, is to try and find away to bring a better second option onto this team to take full advantage of Embiid'a prime years. 

It doesn't really matter what I want. The 6ers are beginning that process without my input. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It doesn't really matter what I want. The 6ers are beginning that process without my input. 

 

You must be smoking something good if you think the Sixers are planning on moving on from Embiid. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  Says the guy who is pointed and laughed at daily.  You are a punchline in here.  Everyone knows it.  But you.  

 

You're so rattled after getting called out on your bizarre "No Lillard trade if Maxey is involved" take. 

Damn Giannis just blew his knee out...

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

For real?  Wow.  Atlanta is going to the NBA Finals.  One of the worst teams to make it in a long time.  Good job Sixers.  

It's crazy how this is all playing out. Unless Middleton can ball out of his mind these next few games, this is the Hawks series to lose now.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  Are you dense?   Did he say that?   You just make ish up as you go along.  Trying so desperately to score points on someone in here.  

 

This might apparently be news to both of you but Joel Embiid is the Sixers team, everyone else are just pieces around him.  

Meanwhile he is advocating for moving on from Embiid which would be the worst thing for this team to do. 

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Quote where I have ever said he’s ONE of the worst QB’s in the NFL.  He’s ONE of the worst starters, right now.  Yes.  And I’m not the only one who said that.   But I have never said one of the worst QBs in the NFL.  And I have never said he can’t play QB.  I have said he’s limited.    I also said, multiple times today, that if he’s middle of the pack than that would be a nice leap in his progression.  It’s nice to see that I can sway your warped expectations and judgment.    You’re gonna make ish up now?   Like that Mormon liar?   

 

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29 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Damn Giannis just blew his knee out...

I think maybe the league rethinks the every other day schedule, this post season has just been brutal with injuries to alot of top players 

I like the idea of the every other day games in theory as it doesn't drag the playoff season out over 3 months but it doesn't seem to be working as the injuries piling up ultimately effect the quality of product.

Having said that the Giannis Injury looks to me like a hyper extension which would be loads better than a ACL tear.. 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No ish genius.  When did I suggest otherwise? Oh, making ish up again.  Got it.  

 

I was talking to Hazelton until you jumped in when he's a big boy and can defend his own viewpoints.  So don't quote my replies to his posts and then get defensive over whatever your viewpoint is when I was responding to his posts. 

5 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

What?  Hope has no expectations attached to it.   Hope is free and clear.  That's what makes it so great and fun.

Guess you never heard the phrase, "don't get your hopes up".    Enjoy your fun.

12 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  Complete QB prospects.  Not those who are one read and run QB’s.  He needs time to develop.   

They are so desperate to be right on Hurts that if there was a video of him sitting on the couch throwing away a soft drink bottle across the room into the garbage, it would be set to music  and proclaimed how hard he works even when he's at home.

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  Here we go with this bullpen.  

Phils are dumb.  A potential top end closer in Howard is in their laps and they keep yo-yo-ing him between Philly and Scranton thinking he'll become a starter at some point.  He is one of the top pitchers in the majors 1st time through a lineup, one of the worst 2nd time through, and of course never makes it to a 3rd time through.  Start reconditioning his arm and mind to be the closer now.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Guess you never heard the phrase, "don't get your hopes up".    Enjoy your fun.

That's because you attach expectations to hope.  I don't.  It's much more fun with less anxiety.   You should give it a spin.