27 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

That's because you attach expectations to hope.  I don't.  It's much more fun with less anxiety.   You should give it a spin.

Apparently, I am not the only one, that expression isnt unique to me.

 

No worries about me though.  I have no expectations for this season.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Apparently, I am not the only one, that expression isnt unique to me.

 

No worries about me though.  I have no expectations for this season.  

Poor suckers.

As for our beloved Birds my only expectations are I'll be able to watch every game and my disdain for the rest of the NFC East is steadfast.

Just a point on Carson and being such a great team mate in Indy. When you change companies, you get a chance to reinvent yourself and hide the issues you had at another company.  Also, he knows he is the man in Indy, and he doesn't have a Foles or Hurts lurking in his peripheral vision, chipping away at his ego.

The bigger tell will be what happens when he fumbles again or hit by a DL.  The facade could fall, and quickly

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You quoted me on the Embiid thing and originally quoted me on the Maxey point.  Are you intentionally dense?   Just because I replied to an H.E. post.  Doesn’t mean I agree with all of his points.  On second thought, I don’t think it’s intentional.    Back to ignore for you.  

 

Oh no, the guy I had on ignore for months now has me on ignore.

What a loss. /s

I have very little optimism that Hurts will be good enough to build around, but it’s always interesting watching regime change seasons. 

Other than that… it’s about hoping the young guys develop into quality players.

I wonder what point the Eagles hold onto Ertz until they finally decide to cut him if no offers come in. 

Cut him at final roster cut downs? Hold onto him into the season as he holds out hoping for a TE injury elsewhere?  Would Ertz even hold out and refuse to play if it gets to that point? Already skipped mandatory OTAs.  Would he put up with fines and would the Eagles even fine him? 

Long game of chicken going on. Not sure how long Howie wants to drag this out knowing that cap savings could go into bringing in one of these lingering veteran CBs still out there since we don't have anyone capable of playing opposite of Slay that wouldn't be a massive liability. 

29 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Just a point on Carson and being such a great team mate in Indy. When you change companies, you get a chance to reinvent yourself and hide the issues you had at another company.  Also, he knows he is the man in Indy, and he doesn't have a Foles or Hurts lurking in his peripheral vision, chipping away at his ego.

The bigger tell will be what happens when he fumbles again or hit by a DL.  The facade could fall, and quickly

I don't think those plays ever bothered him much, actually.  His OL in IND should be far superior to the protection he got last season.  Where Wentz needs to improve is distributing the ball to all of his pass catchers; he tends to get locked in on 1-2 guys too much, and other WR go entire games without a target.  

His screen passes need to improve greatly as well.  He was always pretty spotty here trying to hit a RB out of the backfield.

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I wonder what point the Eagles hold onto Ertz until they finally decide to cut him if no offers come in. 

Cut him at final roster cut downs? Hold onto him into the season as he holds out hoping for a TE injury elsewhere?  Would Ertz even hold out and refuse to play if it gets to that point? Already skipped mandatory OTAs.  Would he put up with fines and would the Eagles even fine him? 

Long game of chicken going on. Not sure how long Howie wants to drag this out knowing that cap savings could go into bringing in one of these lingering veteran CBs still out there since we don't have anyone capable of playing opposite of Slay that wouldn't be a massive liability. 

Should have been cut a while ago, no one is trading for him when they know they can just wait til he gets cut and then pay him less.

No one wants to take on his 8.5 million contract for a declining player.

Not sure why Howie hasn't cut him yet, maybe he's still holding out hope that Ertz will show up for camp but I doubt it.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Should have been cut a while ago, no one is trading for him when they know they can just wait til he gets cut and then pay him less.

No one wants to take on his 8.5 million contract for a declining player.

Not sure why Howie hasn't cut him yet, maybe he's still holding out hope that Ertz will show up for camp but I doubt it.

A possible strategy is waiting for a starting TE to go down in camp for a contender or a contender panics during camp realizing they have no talent at TE.  

51 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Just a point on Carson and being such a great team mate in Indy. When you change companies, you get a chance to reinvent yourself and hide the issues you had at another company.  Also, he knows he is the man in Indy, and he doesn't have a Foles or Hurts lurking in his peripheral vision, chipping away at his ego.

The bigger tell will be what happens when he fumbles again or hit by a DL.  The facade could fall, and quickly

Or the locker room stuff was a buncha garbage ..................................................... one or the other

15 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

A possible strategy is waiting for a starting TE to go down in camp for a contender or a contender panics during camp realizing they have no talent at TE.  

Yup, rolling the dice, and how long does Howie wait until that happens?

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Phils are dumb.  A potential top end closer in Howard is in their laps and they keep yo-yo-ing him between Philly and Scranton thinking he'll become a starter at some point.  He is one of the top pitchers in the majors 1st time through a lineup, one of the worst 2nd time through, and of course never makes it to a 3rd time through.  Start reconditioning his arm and mind to be the closer now.

In that case then they have 2 really good RPs/closers as that's Velasquez also.  He's usually good the 1st time through the lineup and then falls apart. 

 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, rolling the dice, and how long does Howie wait until that happens?

That’s how we got a 1st for Bradford, but if we don’t get good value then let him sit. Get a comp pick for him. 

27 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Should have been cut a while ago, no one is trading for him when they know they can just wait til he gets cut and then pay him less.

No one wants to take on his 8.5 million contract for a declining player.

Not sure why Howie hasn't cut him yet, maybe he's still holding out hope that Ertz will show up for camp but I doubt it.

 

It will be interesting to hear what comes out after they ultimately do cut him.  I bet we here stories about how they could have at least gotten a conditional 6th round pick that could jump up to a 5th or something based on performance if Howie just pulled the trigger on a trade months ago but at this point all interested team(s) are just waiting for the inevitable release. 

41 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't think those plays ever bothered him much, actually.  His OL in IND should be far superior to the protection he got last season.  Where Wentz needs to improve is distributing the ball to all of his pass catchers; he tends to get locked in on 1-2 guys too much, and other WR go entire games without a target.  

His screen passes need to improve greatly as well.  He was always pretty spotty here trying to hit a RB out of the backfield.

 

All it takes is one bad stretch of oline play for Wentz to start seeing ghosts again.  Despite the Colts having a good oline it's inevitable to happen with how long Wentz likes to hold onto the ball trying to give his WRs some time to make something happen down the field. 

8 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That’s how we got a 1st for Bradford, but if we don’t get good value then let him sit. Get a comp pick for him. 

Yes and expecting the same scenario to play out for Ertz is fool Hardy 

Teams get desperate when their Qbs go down if they think they have a roster that can compete 

If a team loses its TE it's not going to drastically impact the teams fortunes like losing a QB would.

The drop off from a starting TE to the backup TE isn't as great around the league as the drop off from starting QB to back up QB.

Having said that, let's assume a team loses its TE, still how much would they be willing to give up for Ertz and his 8.5 mil 1 year contract?

If Ertz had any market value at all he would have been traded by now, I imagine he wouldn't fetch any more than a 5 now and if Howie is expecting to bleed anymore out of a desperate team I think he's dreaming.

In my opinion no team even when desperate is going to give up much if anything for Ertz.

I'd just cut him and move on.

6 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That’s how we got a 1st for Bradford, but if we don’t get good value then let him sit. Get a comp pick for him. 

Completely different situations, and what comp pick are you expecting to get from a benched TE hitting the market at 31? Not to  mention that it then limits you adding through free agency when you are trying to rebuild and make a push next year. You just cut him. It absolutely isn’t worth the circus and drama for a young, first year head coach to maybe get a 6th round pick in 2023. 

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It will be interesting to hear what comes out after they ultimately do cut him.  I bet we here stories about how they could have at least gotten a conditional 6th round pick that could jump up to a 5th or something based on performance if Howie just pulled the trigger on a trade months ago but at this point all interested team(s) are just waiting for the inevitable release. 

Yup. No reason to delay the inevitable, just cut him and at least do him right by giving him a chance to find a team before camp starts and move on.

Continuing to hold onto him doesnt do either side any good 

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, our previous QB did just as many cool acts and people didn't lose their minds over it.  Strange how it seems people in general want Hurts to succeed but were happy to see Wentz fail.

I hope both succeed.  Both seem like really good humans in different ways.  

One is a ginger, one is not? Dunno. I do wonder if Wentz never really adapted to the east coast big city bull**!t. It's a LOT different that the upper midwest and not necessarily better depending on your point of view. Then there's the one played in major programs, one did not. Lots of differences.

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes and expecting the same scenario to play out for Ertz is fool Hardy 

Teams get desperate when their Qbs go down if they think they have a roster that can compete 

If a team loses its TE it's not going to drastically impact the teams fortunes like losing a QB would.

The drop off from a starting TE to the backup TE isn't as great around the league as the drop off from starting QB to back up QB.

Having said that, let's assume a team loses its TE, still how much would they be willing to give up for Ertz and his 8.5 mil 1 year contract?

If Ertz had any market value at all he would have been traded by now, I imagine he wouldn't fetch any more than a 5 now and if Howie is expecting to bleed anymore out of a desperate team I think he's dreaming.

In my opinion no team even when desperate is going to give up much if anything for Ertz.

I'd just cut him and move on.

There should have been a deal made pre-draft.  I think Howie overvalued Ertz when his return was always going to be a 5th round pick or less.  The value is getting the cap savings by moving on, as well as getting an additional draft pick for 2021.

I know there are people who feel the Eagles should play him this season and get a comp pick back when he leaves for free agency, but that's not realistic.  The guy doesn't want to be here and didn't put full effort in last season.  The only way he produces this season is by going all out in a contract season -- but that doesn't seem to be the mindset players take anymore. 

Betting he'll put up big numbers this season and bring back a 3rd round comp pick after signing a mega deal somewhere else is a fool's bet.

 

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There should have been a deal made pre-draft.  I think Howie overvalued Ertz when his return was always going to be a 5th round pick or less.  The value is getting the cap savings by moving on, as well as getting an additional draft pick for 2021.

I know there are people who feel the Eagles should play him this season and get a comp pick back when he leaves for free agency, but that's not realistic.  The guy doesn't want to be here and didn't put full effort in last season.  The only way he produces this season is by going all out in a contract season -- but that doesn't seem to be the mindset players take anymore. 

Betting he'll put up big numbers this season and bring back a 3rd round comp pick after signing a mega deal somewhere else is a fool's bet.

 

Yup, Howie seems a fool to me.

 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Not sure how long Howie wants to drag this out knowing that cap savings could go into bringing in one of these lingering veteran CBs

I think that ship has sailed.  Eagles have 2.7 million in cap room.  Landon Dickerson has not signed his rookie contract, he will have a cap hit of 1.573 million, replacing player 51 with a cap hit of 850K, takes the Eagles cap space to 2 million.  After week 1 when the top 51 rule no longer applies, players 52 and 53 will take 1.5 - 1.7 million of that cap room.  Then you have to have cap space for guys on IR.  Eagles will have about 500K of cap room once the season officially starts.  Howie is going to want that Ertz money for players that may go to IR that will count against the cap, and will need that rollover for 2022, as the Eagles currently have 12.8 million in cap room, and 1.9 of that will be for Landon Dickerson's contract.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I think that ship has sailed.  Eagles have 2.7 million in cap room.  Landon Dickerson has not signed his rookie contract, he will have a cap hit of 1.573 million, replacing player 51 with a cap hit of 850K, takes the Eagles cap space to 2 million.  After week 1 when the top 51 rule no longer applies, players 52 and 53 will take 1.5 - 1.7 million of that cap room.  Then you have to have cap space for guys on IR.  Eagles will have about 500K of cap room once the season officially starts.  Howie is going to want that Ertz money for players that may go to IR that will count against the cap, and will need that rollover for 2022, as the Eagles currently have 12.8 million in cap room, and 1.9 of that will be for Landon Dickerson's contract.

Eagles sign a CB in 3...2...1...

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I know there are people who feel the Eagles should play him this season and get a comp pick back when he leaves for free agency, but that's not realistic.

And that comp pick won't be until 2023.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Eagles sign a CB in 3...2...1...

Sure.  With the 500K in cap space they actually have.  Only way it happens if Ertz is moved or cut, and Howie appears to have overplayed his hand and this is going to linger into training camp.