9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Smith was a better WR at Alabama than: Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, and Metchie

IMO he has been the best WR in the country for 2 straight seasons.   Hes legit. id be overjoyed to get him

 

My concern is the 175 pounds.  Can he add weight and not lose speed.  Can he hold up at that weight as a #1 ??

Looks like this was Dougs presser

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

I agree. On one hand I think the fanbase could benefit from lowering our expectations a bit, after all we have made the playoffs 3 straight years including a SB run. 
 

On the other hand, when you charge what the Eagles charge for their tickets then you better compete every year for a freaking SB. We will lower our expectations when they stop charging $300 for nosebleeds to see the washington football team. 

No arguments here 😂😂

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Smith was a better WR at Alabama than: Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, and Metchie

IMO he has been the best WR in the country for 2 straight seasons.   Hes legit. id be overjoyed to get him

 

Howie just said we are rolling with JJAW and Reagor.

This is a dilemma. Does Doug give up play calling? If not, nothing is gonna change. They won’t attract any good names for OC. It’s what happened last offseason.

If he does, then I don’t understand why he would even wanna be here any longer because they’d have taken the last remaining power he had.

And also if an OC comes here and turns the offense around, he’s gonna get poached in a year.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol, an effective Jalen Hurts who was successfully navigating one of the most aggressive defensive lines in the league.

7/20 for 72 yards, 3.6 average 0TD/1INT

8 rushes for 34 yards, 4.3 ypc 2 TD's.

How can they bench such effectiveness through 3 quarters?!?!

And let's not forget Toth and Pryor were starting at tackle. I didn't want them risking Hurts or Wentz's health in this game with those two at tackle. I have to admit that Toth did a really good job and even Pryor played better than I thought. But, if Hurts would've had a serious injury in the 4th quarter as a result of a Sweat or Young sack, the media would've killed Pederson for having Hurts in the game behind that OL. So, you can't win either way.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Possible. I tend to think whoever comes in after 2021 as long as you have a franchise QB in place can likely get out turned around if he has success in his first two draft classes (likely high picks) and at that point hopefully cap space 

Who would that be though?   If Doug and Co. are back, do you trust they can rebuild Wentz?   If they do, then there's not a new group in place in 2021.  If they don't, then Wentz is gone... for peanuts and you've got a gaping hole at QB.   Hurts is not that guy right now, and all we've seen from this coaching staff sans Reich and DeFilippo is regression from the QB position.  What gives you any confidence they could develop a lesser QB in Hurts?

Just now, eagle45 said:

Things are going to get bad for a while.

The best asset for turning this around are the fans, actually.  The Philly fans and media are far too combustible to tolerate 10 years of bad picks and no playoffs moving forward, like Cleveland/Cincinnati/Buffalo.  There would be riots in the streets.  
 

But the immediate horizon is going to get ugly.

If Howie and Doug really see this as a complete rebuild then yes you're right, the immediate future is not bright. But if they think in their minds that we are a good draft away then things could be bad for a long long while.

To me this is just like pulling a tooth or ripping off a band aid, do it quick and get it over with. 

But don't be stubborn because the way we have drafted, coached and done things lately have NOT worked. 

3 minutes ago, Br3 said:

I agree. On one hand I think the fanbase could benefit from lowering our expectations a bit, after all we have made the playoffs 3 straight years including a SB run. 
 

On the other hand, when you charge what the Eagles charge for their tickets then you better compete every year for a freaking SB. We will lower our expectations when they stop charging $300 for nosebleeds to see the washington football team. 

Try buying Cowpies tickets

Just now, Sack that QB said:

This is a dilemma. Does Doug give up play calling? If not, nothing is gonna change. They won’t attract any good names for OC. It’s what happened last offseason.

If he does, then I don’t understand why he would even wanna be here any longer because they’d have taken the last remaining power he had.

And also if an OC comes here and turns the offense around, he’s gonna get poached in a year.

If they are enabling Howie, they will enable Doug. They will most likely have an OC this year, but Doug will probably have final say just like Howie does. I'm not expecting anything to change.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

This is a dilemma. Does Doug give up play calling? If not, nothing is gonna change. They won’t attract any good names for OC. It’s what happened last offseason.

If he does, then I don’t understand why he would even wanna be here any longer because they’d have taken the last remaining power he had.

And also if an OC comes here and turns the offense around, he’s gonna get poached in a year.

I think that’s the other big issue talking point in his convo with lurie. I’m guessing lurie probablt asks him to give up play calling. I’m not so sure doug is willing to do that when he likely believes he could get another job elsewhere as a HC where he is going to be given that ability. That’s another reason why i think caplan and mosher put it the way they did 

Also, what a calculated move by Lurie to have Doug and Howie do a press conference today. It's a sneaky way to tell the public they both will be back. And, it gives them a chance to avoid tough questions by saying "the season just ended...it's so fresh that we can't answer that right now.". What a great way to avoid accountability.

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Try buying Cowpies tickets

Cowboys and Seahawks were tied for 6th for most expensive nfl average ticket cost. 

Eagles were 5th 

Pats were 1st

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who would that be though?   If Doug and Co. are back, do you trust they can rebuild Wentz?   If they do, then there's not a new group in place in 2021.  If they don't, then Wentz is gone... for peanuts and you've got a gaping hole at QB.   Hurts is not that guy right now, and all we've seen from this coaching staff sans Reich and DeFilippo is regression from the QB position.  What gives you any confidence they could develop a lesser QB in Hurts?

I have no clue who that would be. Too early to speculate. 

I have confidence if they are bad again in 2021 a lot of people are getting fired. whoever takes over is likely going to draft a QB with that high pick as like you said wentz is gone and it would also mean Hurts probably also didn’t look good.  so you’d have hope of a franchise QB via the draft and it wouldn’t be doug and the current staff building him up. There’s a reasonable chance it’s 3 years. Rookie QB plays ok as a rookie makes the leap in year 2 to being a playoff team assuming it goes this route. That Would be 3 draft classes and 3 FA classes away. We actually have some cap space for 2022 and 2023 if howie doesn’t F that up 

You guys are posting up a storm in here. Wow!

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying this for a few weeks now and I'll write my proposal again.

-Trade Dallas Goedert for a 2nd and a 4th.  (Like you said, he's had a lot of injuries and he's going to cost a TON)  Hayden Hurst brought back a 2nd and 5th last year.

-Trade Ertz for a 3rd or 4th.  4th is more realistic.

-Trade down to 10-12 (plus a 2nd) and draft Kyle Pitts.   

-Bring back Dick Rod on a 2-year deal.

This gives the Eagles 3 2nd round picks and gets back the 4th they lost for Avery.  This is the perfect way to build a new young core to the team. You're going to have Pitts on an $18 million contract or so rather than Goedert at $60 million, plus 3 extra draft picks.  

It's not sexy at all, I know everyone is saying why a tight end in round 1 or why trade DG but signing a tight end to a top 5 contract is a luxury the Eagles can't afford right now.

 

I think the Eagles would be better off keeping Goedert, and trading Hurts for that 2nd and 4th.  Trade Ertz for a 4th (if there’s even still a market), no problem with trading down to 10-12 but it would be to draft whichever of Surtain/Farley is still on the board at CB 

Then if the Eagles had 3 2nd round picks they could draft a safety, another CB, and a WR.  Rebuild your secondary with three top-60 players 

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

None of those guys run/ran

Afan is doing Afan.

His argument could be interpreted as - Hurts has the arm of a forty-year-old, but if he magically acquires their experience, then he might be a starting level QB.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

 

Not bad, I believe him. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Imagine driving a piece of crap car.  It needs tires, brakes, engine rebuild and a transmission.  Instead of investing in one of those important areas of need, you put new rims on it and show it off to your friends. 

 

 

Jamar Chase/Devonte Smith/Jaylen Waddle is those rims.  

This reminded me of this song 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think that’s the other big issue talking point in his convo with lurie. I’m guessing lurie probablt asks him to give up play calling. I’m not so sure doug is willing to do that when he likely believes he could get another job elsewhere as a HC where he is going to be given that ability. That’s another reason why i think caplan and mosher put it the way they did 

The funny thing is why is Doug so hell bent on play calling when we have 20 offensive assistants whom have their hand in the overall game plan. If it's a big collaborative effort than why be against an official OC? Jeff Stoutland is OL coach but also "run game coordinator"

Duce Staley (assistant head coach and RB's coach)

Press Taylor (passing game coordinator and QB coach)

Matt Burke (run game coordinator/DL coach)

And for every position coach there's an assistant to them, seems like a lot of cooks in the kitchen. But yet Doug wants play calling to himself.......

3 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Cowboys and Seahawks were tied for 6th for most expensive nfl average ticket cost. 

Eagles were 5th 

Pats were 1st

My son and I try to go to one game a year. We were gonna go to Dallas in 2018 and the tickets there were double what we  could have paid at the Linc for similar seats.

 

Maybe they jacked up the prices because the Eagles has just won the SB.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying this for a few weeks now and I'll write my proposal again.

-Trade Dallas Goedert for a 2nd and a 4th.  (Like you said, he's had a lot of injuries and he's going to cost a TON)  Hayden Hurst brought back a 2nd and 5th last year.

-Trade Ertz for a 3rd or 4th.  4th is more realistic.

-Trade down to 10-12 (plus a 2nd) and draft Kyle Pitts.   

-Bring back Dick Rod on a 2-year deal.

This gives the Eagles 3 2nd round picks and gets back the 4th they lost for Avery.  This is the perfect way to build a new young core to the team. You're going to have Pitts on an $18 million contract or so rather than Goedert at $60 million, plus 3 extra draft picks.  

It's not sexy at all, I know everyone is saying why a tight end in round 1 or why trade DG but signing a tight end to a top 5 contract is a luxury the Eagles can't afford right now.

 

I don't think Goedert would ever get a 2, let alone a 2 and change.  He's injury prone, a really good blocker, and has never been a prolific receiver, only projection.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have no clue who that would be. Too early to speculate. 

I have confidence if they are bad again in 2021 a lot of people are getting fired. whoever takes over is likely going to draft a QB with that high pick as like you said wentz is gone and it would also mean Hurts probably also didn’t look good.  so you’d have hope of a franchise QB via the draft and it wouldn’t be doug and the current staff building him up. There’s a reasonable chance it’s 3 years. Rookie QB plays ok as a rookie makes the leap in year 2 to being a playoff team assuming it goes this route. 

Sure.  But, now you roll into 2022 with a rookie QB and garbage around him, having likely wasted a top 10 pick and a top 40 pick in the 2021 draft.  And you pushed money from 2021 to 2022, so now you can't even spend as much in free agency as you likely could have if you ripped the band-aid off right away this offseason and taken the really hard lumps in 2021, so that 2022 is a rebound year.   Instead, 2022 turns into a deeper hole yet.   Or, what if it just doesn't quite work, but they manage to be 6-10 instead of 2-14 or 3-13... bad enough to fire Doug, but not bad enough to be perfectly aligned to get that top QB prospect.

 

Keeping Doug and Howie around for 2021 just looks like this to me...

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You guys are posting up a storm in here. Wow!

Frustration will do that.

2 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

The funny thing is why is Doug so hell bent on play calling when we have 20 offensive assistants whom have their hand in the overall game plan. If it's a big collaborative effort than why be against an official OC? Jeff Stoutland is OL coach but also "run game coordinator"

Duce Staley (assistant head coach and RB's coach)

Press Taylor (passing game coordinator and QB coach)

Matt Burke (run game coordinator/DL coach)

And for every position coach there's an assistant to them, seems like a lot of cooks in the kitchen. But yet Doug wants play calling to himself.......

I want to say caplan or mosher talked about that’s the no. 1 thing doug loves to do is call plays. It’s probably the thing he loves the most about his job. 

I wish I could ask Lurie just one question when he does his offseason "state of the Eagles."  Will you keep Howie Roseman as your GM no matter how bad things get?

That's all that needs to be asked.  Obviously, you won't get a meaningful answer.  But it's just a nice little shot across the bow to the owner.