2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What has he done ??

Beat the almighty Taysom Hill and lost to the generational talent of Kyler Murray and Andy Dalton. Duh 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Beat the almighty Taysom Hill and lost to the generational talent of Kyler Murray and Andy Dalton. Duh 

 

He beat the 4th ranked defense.  A team the Eagles hadn't been a beat in I don't know how many years. 

 

You can try to discredit all you want by saying Taysom Hill but that's the only start by Hill that the Saints lost, the only start by a backup in the 10 games the Saints played over the past two seasons with a backup that they lost. 

45 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He beat the 4th ranked defense.  A team the Eagles hadn't been a beat in I don't know how many years. 

 

You can try to discredit all you want by saying Taysom Hill but that's the only start by Hill that the Saints lost, the only start by a backup in the 10 games the Saints played over the past two seasons with a backup that they lost. 

Hill has 4 career starts at QB and beat Atlanta twice and Denver. Big deal. Hurts also fumbled within the two minute warning when all he had to do was run out the clock. The Saints winning with Bridgewater means nothing except adding meaningless stats to try to credit Hurts. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hill has 4 career starts at QB and beat Atlanta twice and Denver. Big deal. Hurts also fumbled within the two minute warning when all he had to do was run out the clock. The Saints winning with Bridgewater means nothing except adding meaningless stats to try to credit Hurts. 

How come Hurts by himself beat the 4th ranked defense, yet it wasn’t Hurts by himself who was trash against the DAL woeful defense, or 7-for-20 all by himself — and getting benched meant the Eagles were deliberately tanking, instead of pulling a QB who was ….. 7-for-20?  I haven’t quite pieced together who gets credit for what here.

Again, I anticipate Hurts will play better this season.  Something like 62% comp, 28 TD and 16 INT, but some of these guys need to see Hurts’ play last season for what it was — headed towards regression more than progression as the weeks passed.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

How come Hurts by himself beat the 4th ranked defense, yet it wasn’t Hurts by himself who was trash against the DAL woeful defense, or 7-for-20 all by himself — and getting benched meant the Eagles were deliberately tanking, instead of pulling a QB who was ….. 7-for-20?  I haven’t quite pieced together who gets credit for what here.

Again, I anticipate Hurts will play better this season.  Something like 62% comp, 28 TD and 16 INT, but some of these guys need to see Hurts’ play last season for what it was — headed towards regression more than progression as the weeks passed.

You’re more optimistic than I am. I just want to see one complete game before we are extrapolating or crowning this dude with anything. This is all completely ignoring the point that the part of the fan base discrediting him means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. 

14 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Read a story on nfl.com from June 30 where Maurice Jones-Drew ranks the lead RB for each NFL team -- he has Sanders ranked #27 out of 32.

Another guy who has quite a bit to prove in 2021.

 

His rankings are idiotic. He has Cam Akers and Austin Ekeler higher.  

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hill has 4 career starts at QB and beat Atlanta twice and Denver. Big deal. Hurts also fumbled within the two minute warning when all he had to do was run out the clock. The Saints winning with Bridgewater means nothing except adding meaningless stats to try to credit Hurts. 

 

See, doing everything you can to discredit Hurts.  It's pathetic.  Fact is he beat the 4th ranked defense in the NFL and the team with the best record in the NFC at that time late in the season.  You're attempts to act like it means nothing because the Saints had a backup QB playing is invalidated by the fact that the Saints were 9-1 over the past two seasons with backup QBs with the only loss coming at the hands of Jalen Hurts. 

11 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

QB factory

Well being above 60% is a relatively new standard.  I mean John Elway's career completion percentage is like 55%.  Simms is around that number.  Aikman averaged around 60%.  He also averaged less than 200 yards a game.  

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

How come Hurts by himself beat the 4th ranked defense, yet it wasn’t Hurts by himself who was trash against the DAL woeful defense, or 7-for-20 all by himself — and getting benched meant the Eagles were deliberately tanking, instead of pulling a QB who was ….. 7-for-20?  I haven’t quite pieced together who gets credit for what here.

Again, I anticipate Hurts will play better this season.  Something like 62% comp, 28 TD and 16 INT, but some of these guys need to see Hurts’ play last season for what it was — headed towards regression more than progression as the weeks passed.

 

You're acting like the kid played a full season or even close to it.   He got 4 starts on a terrible team. 

 

I remember Wentz's rookie season started out great and then he regressed after those good starts.  But that's just the the typical trojectory of a rookie.  Ups and downs as they gain expierence and go through their lumps. 

 

But what is the point of stating the obvious here anymore? Jalen Hurts for some reason was held to an entirely different standard as a rookie QB than most of you would hold with any other rookie QB. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don' get it. 

 

It's not Jalen Hurts!!!!     It's YOU!!!! 

Yep.  Almost as bad as Chris Simms QB rankings.  

 

Weren't you putting me on ignore? You had a big meltdown when you declared it. 

"Remember the Hurts" will soon be a screen name.

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Actually, I am still able to see your nonsense when others are owning you.  I am enjoying this meltdown of yours.  

 

The only person that quoted my last few posts is you. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

See, doing everything you can to discredit Hurts.  It's pathetic.  Fact is he beat the 4th ranked defense in the NFL and the team with the best record in the NFC at that time late in the season.  You're attempts to act like it means nothing because the Saints had a backup QB playing is invalidated by the fact that the Saints were 9-1 over the past two seasons with backup QBs with the only loss coming at the hands of Jalen Hurts. 

Your and remember when Koy Detmer came in and led the Eagles to a first half blow out of the 49ers in 2002?  He completed like 70% of his passes and threw for 2 TD's in the first half.  Then AJ Feeley came in and looked great going 4-1 and looked so much like a starting QB that Miami traded a 2nd round pick for him.  I think Hurts has to show a little more than winning one game where he threw for one TD and the 2 other scores came from the running game.  2 of the Eagles' scores were also set up by turnovers so the fact that Taysom Hill was starting did impact the game.  

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Your and remember when Koy Detmer came in and led the Eagles to a first half blow out of the 49ers in 2002?  He completed like 70% of his passes and threw for 2 TD's in the first half.  Then AJ Feeley came in and looked great going 4-1 and looked so much like a starting QB that Miami traded a 2nd round pick for him.  I think Hurts has to show a little more than winning one game where he threw for one TD and the 2 other scores came from the running game.  2 of the Eagles' scores were also set up by turnovers so the fact that Taysom Hill was starting did impact the game.  

 

AJ Feeley never looked great.  Koy Detmer looked great in that game.  Doing things with the same weapons that McNabb struggled with in prime time against a good 49ers team in San Francisco.  AJ Feeley just played game manager. 

 

And he needs to show more?  Am I saying sign Jalen Hurts to a long term deal?  No duh he needs to show more, that's why he deserves and will be getting this second season to show what he has.  The people that aren't able to be anything except purely negative about Hurts here are acting as the book on his career has already been written.  And then they turn around and try to act like they don't have an agenda against him. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

AJ Feeley never looked great.  Koy Detmer looked great in that game.  Doing things with the same weapons that McNabb struggled with in prime time against a good 49ers team in San Francisco.  AJ Feeley just played game manager. 

 

And he needs to show more?  Am I saying sign Jalen Hurts to a long term deal?  No duh he needs to show more, that's why he deserves and will be getting this second season to show what he has.  The people that aren't able to be anything except purely negative about Hurts here are acting as the book on his career has already been written.  And then they turn around and try to act like they don't have an agenda against him. 

I think there are people that rightfully believe Hurts hasn't looked great either. It's not an agenda to believe he didn't look great in the games he played in last season.  I want him to succeed but I would be surprised if he turns into a better than average starter.  I think I would be surprised if he's an average starter.  I just have not seen anything that makes me believe he's going to be good.  

C'mon

38 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Well wait until you see the **** QB at Oklahoma this year.  Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel all wrapped into one.  Cocky as hell too.  

I find it next to impossible to cheer for Spencer Rattler.  He's such a d-bag...but he is good.

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Well wait until you see the **** QB at Oklahoma this year.  Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel all wrapped into one.  Cocky as hell too.  

I can't wait until we trade 4 first round picks to draft him number 1 overall. I'm already riding the Rattler rails. 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

See, doing everything you can to discredit Hurts.  It's pathetic.  Fact is he beat the 4th ranked defense in the NFL and the team with the best record in the NFC at that time late in the season.  You're attempts to act like it means nothing because the Saints had a backup QB playing is invalidated by the fact that the Saints were 9-1 over the past two seasons with backup QBs with the only loss coming at the hands of Jalen Hurts. 

He’s not going to date you 

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there are people that rightfully believe Hurts hasn't looked great either. It's not an agenda to believe he didn't look great in the games he played in last season.  I want him to succeed but I would be surprised if he turns into a better than average starter.  I think I would be surprised if he's an average starter.  I just have not seen anything that makes me believe he's going to be good.  

He hasn't looked great.  His stock and trade so far is his running ability, and he's not Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, or even RG III in that regard.  He has made solid improvements as a passer from starting at Alabama to now, but he has a long ways to go.  

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I can't wait until we trade 4 first round picks to draft him number 1 overall. I'm already riding the Rattler rails. 

I'm joining the Rattler prattlers

32 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there are people that rightfully believe Hurts hasn't looked great either. It's not an agenda to believe he didn't look great in the games he played in last season.  I want him to succeed but I would be surprised if he turns into a better than average starter.  I think I would be surprised if he's an average starter.  I just have not seen anything that makes me believe he's going to be good.  

Nothing would surprise me about Hurts.   He was highly recruited by two of the top college programs.  I believe that Saban got tired of his trusting his legs more than the play, especially considering the WRs and OL he played with at Alabama and Riley’s offense exploited those tools.  The Eagles did a bit of that with designed runs.  But you do see some tools that he can develop that might make him a strong candidate.  

He reminds me a bit of Warren Moon when the Oilers brought him down from Canada.  Warren could throw a beautiful pass.  But he would get nervous from the pass rush and start to get what we called "happy feet”.   Once you saw Warren’s feet get happy, you cringed.  Almost all his interceptions came from that.  Well Hurts "happy feet” equivalent is that quick step that changes his stance from passer to runner.   But like Warren, he seems willing to work on improving.  

The real question I have about Hurts is the speed of his read.   A quick read and processing is as necessary as pocket presence.  Now Carson’s time to throw was slow under Doug, which goes to time for routes to develop. So I think we haven’t yet seen what Sirianni can do with Hurts.  If speed to read develops, he has as good of a chance of any of the rookie or second year QBs to develop.  But judging Hurts solely by the three and two half games he played last year would be like judging Mahommes solely by the Super Bowl.  

I am looking forward to seeing what this offense can do this year.  While i worry a lot about the defensive talent Gannon has, I am curious what he does with it.  The offense could have a more talented WR group than Carson may have in Indy.  

The kid can/could be successful if he continues to use his legs and stay healthy while doing it.

31 minutes ago, greend said:

C'mon

2028, Ertz would be 38.  So that’s kind of silly.  

That said, Ertz is particularly poor with yards after contact. Goedert has more of a Celek feel. Ertz really doesn’t fight for yards like Celek did or Goedert does.  Of course, Goedert doesn’t secure the ball as well as Celek did.  The stats show it that Goedert is much better at broken tackles than Ertz.  Heck, last year, Greg Ward had more broken tackles than Ertz.  Ward’s YAC was 3.4 in 2019 and 3.1 in 2020.  Ertz was 2.9 and 2.4. Goedert was 5.7 and 4.5.  Ertz also has a higher drop rate than Goedert (and way worse than Ward).  (Reason I brought Ward into this is because Ertz lines up a lot in a similar position as Ward whereas Goedert lines up more in line than Ertz).

23 minutes ago, greend said:

The kid can/could be successful if he continues to use his legs and stay healthy while doing it.

I've seen more running to contact so far than sliding or getting out of bounds.  We'll see how well he can learn self-preservation.