2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Your and remember when Koy Detmer came in and led the Eagles to a first half blow out of the 49ers in 2002?  He completed like 70% of his passes and threw for 2 TD's in the first half.  Then AJ Feeley came in and looked great going 4-1 and looked so much like a starting QB that Miami traded a 2nd round pick for him.  I think Hurts has to show a little more than winning one game where he threw for one TD and the 2 other scores came from the running game.  2 of the Eagles' scores were also set up by turnovers so the fact that Taysom Hill was starting did impact the game.  

Yea but counterpoint, Saints went 5-0 with Teddy Bridgewater. That means a lot in the grand scheme of things when talking about Jalen Hurts and Taysom Hill. You can't deny it, hater. 

All this Hurts talk is silly, we'll know soon enough if he can progress into a NFL QB.

He showed two things last season, he's an elite runner (not as fast as Lamar, but stronger and more elusive, runs like a power back) and he can make all the throws he needs to make (can hit targets 30+ yards downfield). Other than that, who knows?

On the other hand, I don't see any sure things coming out of college - they all have the same flaws coming out of college offenses that provide easy throws and numerous mismatches - you don't have too many NFL CBs who run 4.7 40s.

21 minutes ago, greend said:

C'mon

I don't understand the hate for Ertz.  

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's because of that All-World Defense.  That carried them to those 5 wins.  Hence the reason why Hurts is so good, because he alone beat that defense.........and he's not Carson.

 

 

 

 

 

HATER!

Nice meltdown. The San Diego Chargers won with backup Doug Flutie when Drew Brees was hurt. This makes Jalens win over Taysom Swiss Army Knife Hill all the more impressive.

I just hope defenses are scared to tackle Hurts like they are with Jackson. Otherwise it’s not going to end well

Teams haven’t really seemed to care if they injure our players over the years

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/07/why-eagles-jalen-hurts-will-surprise-many-people-this-season.html

 

Why Eagles’ Jalen Hurts will surprise many critics this season

 

Hurts’ athleticism presents a dilemma for defenses. Scrambling for first downs and running zone reads, Hurts averaged 5.6 yards per carry, which would have placed him third among quarterbacks in rushing — trailing Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and Cardinals’ Kyler Murray — if he’d had enough attempts. Hurts’ running ability likely will force coordinators to call more zone coverages to give defenders time to look back at the line of scrimmage.

Hurts was effective against that type of coverage. According to Pro Football Focus, Hurts averaged 8.3 yards per completion and had an 82.7 passer rating against zones. Against man coverage, he had a passer rating of just 65.9.

Even with all of these things working for Hurts, analysts and some fans are skeptical about how he will perform. NBC Sports analyst Chris Simms left Hurts off his list of the top-40 quarterbacks, ranking him behind Kellen Mond, Andy Dalton and Taysom Hill. Hurts said he is not worried about what everyone else is saying.

"It’s a deal where it is something that I want to prove to myself,” Hurts said. "I know what I can do. I know who I am, and I know the player I can be, so it is about me going out there and doing what I say I am going to do. Anybody else saying whatever, it doesn’t really pertain to me. It’s like a bird on a log. You see him, and you hear him, but you’re not really worried about it.”

Why opposing NFL coach says Eagles' Jalen Hurts will be 'very easy' to stop

"From what I saw, it will be very easy to stop that kid,” an offensive coach said of Hurts. "The Saints just weren’t ready for some of the stuff they did and he had some good runs. He had a couple wild throws, too. The next defense they play will have a plan for it and it’ll be much harder for him.”

 

Yea, but Teddy Bridgewater bro.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why opposing NFL coach says Eagles' Jalen Hurts will be 'very easy' to stop

"From what I saw, it will be very easy to stop that kid,” an offensive coach said of Hurts. "The Saints just weren’t ready for some of the stuff they did and he had some good runs. He had a couple wild throws, too. The next defense they play will have a plan for it and it’ll be much harder for him.”

 

Yea, but Teddy Bridgewater bro.

Saints stopped the passing game in the second half, 5 of 10 for 38 yards.  I don't care how much running you do, not going to win a lot of NFL games passing for 38 yards in a half.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Nothing would surprise me about Hurts.   He was highly recruited by two of the top college programs.  I believe that Saban got tired of his trusting his legs more than the play, especially considering the WRs and OL he played with at Alabama and Riley’s offense exploited those tools.  The Eagles did a bit of that with designed runs.  But you do see some tools that he can develop that might make him a strong candidate.  

He reminds me a bit of Warren Moon when the Oilers brought him down from Canada.  Warren could throw a beautiful pass.  But he would get nervous from the pass rush and start to get what we called "happy feet”.   Once you saw Warren’s feet get happy, you cringed.  Almost all his interceptions came from that.  Well Hurts "happy feet” equivalent is that quick step that changes his stance from passer to runner.   But like Warren, he seems willing to work on improving.  

The real question I have about Hurts is the speed of his read.   A quick read and processing is as necessary as pocket presence.  Now Carson’s time to throw was slow under Doug, which goes to time for routes to develop. So I think we haven’t yet seen what Sirianni can do with Hurts.  If speed to read develops, he has as good of a chance of any of the rookie or second year QBs to develop.  But judging Hurts solely by the three and two half games he played last year would be like judging Mahommes solely by the Super Bowl.  

I am looking forward to seeing what this offense can do this year.  While i worry a lot about the defensive talent Gannon has, I am curious what he does with it.  The offense could have a more talented WR group than Carson may have in Indy.  

Processing is where he struggles and I think that's where his accuracy is also impacted.  The Baker Mayfield comparison is also apt but I don't think he has Baker's arm strength.  Moon is an interesting comparison even though the eras are completely different.  He really did not excel as a QB until he had a few seasons in Glanville's offense.  He also had to have some pretty good receivers.  

I am not ruling out that Hurts can come in and be a good QB.  I am looking forward to seeing him play.  I am just concerned that his ceiling isn't that high at this point. I would be happy to be wrong about that point.  If Sirianni can get him to make better decisions and give him a few good options, I think that's going to help his development.  I mean Carson looked the part as a rookie to a large extent because the cut down his reads.  The same was done for McNabb.  I think they probably tried to do that last season with Hurts but it seemed like he still struggled especially with any kind of adjustment.  

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea but counterpoint, Saints went 5-0 with Teddy Bridgewater. That means a lot in the grand scheme of things when talking about Jalen Hurts and Taysom Hill. You can't deny it, hater. 

We caught the saints looking past us. Plain and simple. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

All this Hurts talk is silly, we'll know soon enough if he can progress into a NFL QB.

He showed two things last season, he's an elite runner (not as fast as Lamar, but stronger and more elusive, runs like a power back) and he can make all the throws he needs to make (can hit targets 30+ yards downfield). Other than that, who knows?

On the other hand, I don't see any sure things coming out of college - they all have the same flaws coming out of college offenses that provide easy throws and numerous mismatches - you don't have too many NFL CBs who run 4.7 40s.

Funny you say this, because two of my main reservations on Hurts would be, IMO, he is not an elite runner and he can't make all of the throws he needs to make.

I've been wrong before, though.  QB play in the NFL comes down to either winning games in the 4th quarter, or costing the team games by making mistakes in the 4th quarter.  Time will tell if he's more Rodgers or Romo in that regard.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I don't understand the hate for Ertz.  

I don't hate him. But I understand that last year he certainly didn't play his heart out and maybe a little bit harder of a try from him might have saved his "friends" job here.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why opposing NFL coach says Eagles' Jalen Hurts will be 'very easy' to stop

"From what I saw, it will be very easy to stop that kid,” an offensive coach said of Hurts. "The Saints just weren’t ready for some of the stuff they did and he had some good runs. He had a couple wild throws, too. The next defense they play will have a plan for it and it’ll be much harder for him.”

 

Yea, but Teddy Bridgewater bro.

 

The next defense he played though he put up 338 passing yards, 3 passing TDs, 0 interceptions, 33 rushing yards and one 1 rushing TD on the road against the 12 ranked defense in the league. 

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Funny you say this, because two of my main reservations on Hurts would be, IMO, he is not an elite runner and he can't make all of the throws he needs to make.

I've been wrong before, though.  QB play in the NFL comes down to either winning games in the 4th quarter, or costing the team games by making mistakes in the 4th quarter.  Time will tell if he's more Rodgers or Romo in that regard.

 

 

What are the throws he can't make?  I've seen this baseless accusation tossed around frequently here yet no one who is saying it can ever actually say what the throws are. 

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saints stopped the passing game in the second half, 5 of 10 for 38 yards.  I don't care how much running you do, not going to win a lot of NFL games passing for 38 yards in a half.

 

Rookie QB in 1st NFL start struggled in second half against the 4th ranked defense in the league but did enough to help get the win.  Cut him. 

36 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saints stopped the passing game in the second half, 5 of 10 for 38 yards.  I don't care how much running you do, not going to win a lot of NFL games passing for 38 yards in a half.

I can't believe that NFL coach who was probably Sean Payton discredited Hurts like that. He probably hasn't even watched one of his offseason swag workout vids. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Rookie QB in 1st NFL start struggled in second half against the 4th ranked defense in the league but did enough to help get the win.  Cut him. 

What it proves, and as much as you hate it, is NFL defensive coordinators adjusted to him quite easily at half time.  That is why he lead the team to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions.  Now they have multiple games of film, and will not be surprised.  Sirianni and Steichen will have to adapt to NFL defensive coordinators preparing to stop primary read and take off running tendencies.

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The next defense he played though he put up 338 passing yards, 3 passing TDs, 0 interceptions, 33 rushing yards and one 1 rushing TD on the road against the 12 ranked defense in the league. 

With a 54% completion percentage, a safety, and most of the stats coming in garbage time, sure. 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What it proves, and as much as you hate it, is NFL defensive coordinators adjusted to him quite easily at half time.  That is why he lead the team to points on 2 of 22 second half possessions.  Now they have multiple games of film, and will not be surprised.  Sirianni and Steichen will have to adapt to NFL defensive coordinators preparing to stop primary read and take off running tendencies.

 

You cling so badly to this arbitrary stat from such a small sample size.  Honesty one of the things I'm looking forward to most is seeing what you jump to next to cling to be negative about Hurts this season when inevitably his second half performance in games does not mirror that of the 5 quarters in the second half that he played as a rookie. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

With a 54% completion percentage, a safety, and most of the stats coming in garbage time, sure. 

 

Most of his stats didn't come in garbage time though? 

Idk if this was posted already but 😞

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You cling so badly to this arbitrary stat

It is not an arbitrary stat.  You have to score points to win games in the NFL.  The Eagles were in a 1 score game the entire second half against the Cardinals, and only scored on 1 of 6 second half possessions.  Eagles were down 20-17 at the half against the Cowboys, and did not score any points on 7 second half possessions.  That is the same Dallas defense that gave up 30 PPG.  The same defense that gave up 19 second half points to Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard the previous week.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Most of his stats didn't come in garbage time though? 

Good point, when they needed him the most he put up 8/18 (44%), 3 sacks and a fumble. The rest just came when they were down two scores.

4	12:11	1	10	PHI 33	Miles Sanders up the middle for 5 yards (tackle by Rashard Lawrence)	26	26	1.140	1.270
4	11:34	2	5	PHI 38	Jalen Hurts up the middle for 1 yard (tackle by Zach Allen and Angelo Blackson)	26	26	1.270	0.700
4	10:48	3	4	PHI 39	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete short right intended for Zach Ertz

4	7:10	1	10	PHI 24	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete short middle intended for Zach Ertz	26	33	0.540	0.000
4	7:05	2	10	PHI 24	Jalen Hurts pass complete short left to Quez Watkins for 3 yards (tackle by Isaiah Simmons)	26	33	0.000	-0.300
4	6:22	3	7	PHI 27	Jalen Hurts pass complete short middle to Greg Ward for 12 yards (tackle by Byron Murphy)	26	33	-0.300	1.530
4	5:44	1	10	PHI 39	Jalen Hurts pass complete short right to Greg Ward for -6 yards (tackle by Byron Murphy)	26	33	1.530	0.180
4	4:58	2	16	PHI 33	Jalen Hurts right end for 4 yards (tackle by Jordan Hicks)	26	33	0.180	0.040
4	4:07	3	12	PHI 37	Jalen Hurts pass complete deep left to Alshon Jeffery for 39 yards (tackle by Chris Banjo)	26	33	0.040	3.970
4	3:58	1	10	CRD 24	Miles Sanders right end for 8 yards (tackle by Chris Banjo)	26	33	3.970	4.650
4	3:52	2	2	CRD 16	Jalen Hurts sacked by Byron Murphy for no gain	26	33	4.650	3.950
4	3:45	3	2	CRD 16	Jalen Hurts pass complete short right to Quez Watkins for 5 yards (tackle by Chris Banjo)	26	33	3.950	4.840
4	3:01	1	10	CRD 11	Jalen Hurts sacked by Dennis Gardeck for -3 yards	26	33	4.840	3.690
4	2:14	2	13	CRD 14	Jalen Hurts sacked by Leki Fotu for -8 yards	26	33	3.690	2.150
4	2:00	3	21	CRD 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle intended for Dallas Goedert (defended by Byron Murphy)	26	33	2.150	1.990
4	1:55	4	21	CRD 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle intended for Dallas Goedert (defended by

 

4	1:28	1	10	PHI 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete short middle intended for Zach Ertz	26	33	0.410	-0.130
4	1:25	2	10	PHI 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep right intended for Alshon Jeffery	26	33	-0.130	-0.820
4	1:21	3	10	PHI 22	Jalen Hurts up the middle for 3 yards (tackle by Haason Reddick and Zach Allen)	26	33	-0.820	-1.700
4	0:56				Timeout #1 by Arizona Cardinals
4	0:56	4	7	PHI 25	Jalen Hurts pass complete short left to Travis Fulgham for 12 yards (tackle by Dre Kirkpatrick)	26	33	-1.700	1.400
4	0:34	1	10	PHI 37	Jalen Hurts for -128 yards (tackle by Haason Reddick). Jalen Hurts fumbles (forced by Haason Reddick), recovered by Jalen Hurts at PHI-28 Jalen Hurts pass complete short right to Dallas Goedert for 14 yards (tackle by Budda Baker)	26	33	1.400	2.320
4	0:26	1	10	CRD 49	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle intended for Quez Watkins	26	33	2.320	1.780
4	0:21	2	10	CRD 49	Jalen Hurts pass complete deep right to Travis Fulgham for 18 yards (tackle by Patrick Peterson)	26	33	1.780	3.510
4	0:15	1	10	CRD 31	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep right	26	33	3.510	2.970
4	0:10	2	10	CRD 31	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle	26	33	2.970	2.280
4	0:02	3	10	CRD 31	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle

I still don’t get why we’re so negative on Hurts. Rookie QB with no off-season, no pre-season, and thrown into a **** injured offense. If he sucks this year then who cares, are we expecting to contend? It’s a rebuild. Worse case we’ll draft a guy next year, best case he shows potential as a franchise QB. 
 

Pointless bickering. Let people be excited about Hurts, F. Ruin someone’s excitement just to say ITYS 2 years down the line. 

38 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Saints stopped the passing game in the second half, 5 of 10 for 38 yards.  I don't care how much running you do, not going to win a lot of NFL games passing for 38 yards in a half.

If you look at those attempts - 

 It looks like they used pressure to disrupt 2 throws.  He had one that was a near INT, one pass defended but it wasn't a terrible throw to Goeddert.  He had a sideline incompletion to Ertz which wasn't a bad throw.  He did make it under pressure.  There a few times where he ran and at least one of those it looked like he could have made a high percentage throw for more yards.  He was aggressive with his throws which was good.  On designed roll outs, he wanted to make the longer throws.  

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good point, when they needed him the most he put up 8/18 (44%), 3 sacks and a fumble. The rest just came when they were down two scores.

4	12:11	1	10	PHI 33	Miles Sanders up the middle for 5 yards (tackle by Rashard Lawrence)	26	26	1.140	1.270
4	11:34	2	5	PHI 38	Jalen Hurts up the middle for 1 yard (tackle by Zach Allen and Angelo Blackson)	26	26	1.270	0.700
4	10:48	3	4	PHI 39	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete short right intended for Zach Ertz

4	7:10	1	10	PHI 24	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete short middle intended for Zach Ertz	26	33	0.540	0.000
4	7:05	2	10	PHI 24	Jalen Hurts pass complete short left to Quez Watkins for 3 yards (tackle by Isaiah Simmons)	26	33	0.000	-0.300
4	6:22	3	7	PHI 27	Jalen Hurts pass complete short middle to Greg Ward for 12 yards (tackle by Byron Murphy)	26	33	-0.300	1.530
4	5:44	1	10	PHI 39	Jalen Hurts pass complete short right to Greg Ward for -6 yards (tackle by Byron Murphy)	26	33	1.530	0.180
4	4:58	2	16	PHI 33	Jalen Hurts right end for 4 yards (tackle by Jordan Hicks)	26	33	0.180	0.040
4	4:07	3	12	PHI 37	Jalen Hurts pass complete deep left to Alshon Jeffery for 39 yards (tackle by Chris Banjo)	26	33	0.040	3.970
4	3:58	1	10	CRD 24	Miles Sanders right end for 8 yards (tackle by Chris Banjo)	26	33	3.970	4.650
4	3:52	2	2	CRD 16	Jalen Hurts sacked by Byron Murphy for no gain	26	33	4.650	3.950
4	3:45	3	2	CRD 16	Jalen Hurts pass complete short right to Quez Watkins for 5 yards (tackle by Chris Banjo)	26	33	3.950	4.840
4	3:01	1	10	CRD 11	Jalen Hurts sacked by Dennis Gardeck for -3 yards	26	33	4.840	3.690
4	2:14	2	13	CRD 14	Jalen Hurts sacked by Leki Fotu for -8 yards	26	33	3.690	2.150
4	2:00	3	21	CRD 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle intended for Dallas Goedert (defended by Byron Murphy)	26	33	2.150	1.990
4	1:55	4	21	CRD 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle intended for Dallas Goedert (defended by

 

4	1:28	1	10	PHI 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete short middle intended for Zach Ertz	26	33	0.410	-0.130
4	1:25	2	10	PHI 22	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep right intended for Alshon Jeffery	26	33	-0.130	-0.820
4	1:21	3	10	PHI 22	Jalen Hurts up the middle for 3 yards (tackle by Haason Reddick and Zach Allen)	26	33	-0.820	-1.700
4	0:56				Timeout #1 by Arizona Cardinals
4	0:56	4	7	PHI 25	Jalen Hurts pass complete short left to Travis Fulgham for 12 yards (tackle by Dre Kirkpatrick)	26	33	-1.700	1.400
4	0:34	1	10	PHI 37	Jalen Hurts for -128 yards (tackle by Haason Reddick). Jalen Hurts fumbles (forced by Haason Reddick), recovered by Jalen Hurts at PHI-28 Jalen Hurts pass complete short right to Dallas Goedert for 14 yards (tackle by Budda Baker)	26	33	1.400	2.320
4	0:26	1	10	CRD 49	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle intended for Quez Watkins	26	33	2.320	1.780
4	0:21	2	10	CRD 49	Jalen Hurts pass complete deep right to Travis Fulgham for 18 yards (tackle by Patrick Peterson)	26	33	1.780	3.510
4	0:15	1	10	CRD 31	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep right	26	33	3.510	2.970
4	0:10	2	10	CRD 31	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle	26	33	2.970	2.280
4	0:02	3	10	CRD 31	Jalen Hurts pass incomplete deep middle

 

 

Perfect example of how hate for Hurts will drive people here to skew everything against him. 

 

I suggest you re-watch the full highlights of that game.  Hurts showed alot of good over the course of that game. To come back from down 16-0 in the first quarter to bringing the team back and making it again by half time.   Tying the game by the end of the 3rd.

Two really impressive drives down the field at the end of the 4th too. That 3rd and 21 pass to Goedert before the 2 minute warning should have been caught for a TD.  Great pass by Hurts.  The 4 and 21 too was also catchable but more understandable that Goedert dropped that with the defenders getting in there.   But he followed that up with another impressive quick drive down the field with under 2 minutes left to give them a shot at a hail mary that was dropped in the endzone as time expired. 

 

To try and act like Hurts didn't flash in his second start and most of his stats came in "garbage time" is just nothing more then intentionally choosing to act ignorant to push the blatant hatred you have for a player.