Jalen Hurts

Cosell: "If I'm being totally honest, I was disappointed in the tape when I was able to watch all four starts in one day, just one after the other. We know that he has very good movement ability, that you can have a designed run game with him and that was clearly a featured part of what the previous Eagles coaching staff did. I would imagine that Nick Sirianni and staff will do much of that because he can do that well. There's much you can do with Jalen Hurts in the quarterback designed-run game. It was the pass game where there were clear concerns that the tape showed. Quarterbacks who've always had the ability to move ... they almost all show a tendency to break down and leave the pocket prematurely. Now, at times you can compensate for that with a great improvisational run and everybody gets excited, but the result of that too often is that you leave throws on the field.”

https://www.insidethebirds.com/amp/philadelphia-eagles-inside-the-birds-nfc-east-pre-quarterback-secondary-question-marks-for-birds?__twitter_impression=true

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jalen Hurts

Cosell: "If I'm being totally honest, I was disappointed in the tape when I was able to watch all four starts in one day, just one after the other. We know that he has very good movement ability, that you can have a designed run game with him and that was clearly a featured part of what the previous Eagles coaching staff did. I would imagine that Nick Sirianni and staff will do much of that because he can do that well. There's much you can do with Jalen Hurts in the quarterback designed-run game. It was the pass game where there were clear concerns that the tape showed. Quarterbacks who've always had the ability to move ... they almost all show a tendency to break down and leave the pocket prematurely. Now, at times you can compensate for that with a great improvisational run and everybody gets excited, but the result of that too often is that you leave throws on the field.”

https://www.insidethebirds.com/amp/philadelphia-eagles-inside-the-birds-nfc-east-pre-quarterback-secondary-question-marks-for-birds?__twitter_impression=true

He also called Greg Ward a solid slot WR, so what does he know?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kid. He was great on the podcast. 

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He also called Greg Ward a solid slot WR, so what does he know?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kid. He was great on the podcast. 

I think overall he was pretty generous in his assessments. Mailata and Hurts were the two he was most critical, everyone else like Reagor, Fulgham and Davion Taylor he seemed to be more open to. 

4 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Ummmmm......pass

 

TE Dallas Goedert’s contract extension could look like a 4-year, $52M deal with roughly $30M in fully guaranteed salary.

This would put Goedert as the 2nd highest-paid tight end in the NFL, behind Travis Kelce.

[Source: Glenn Erby]

Why give a mega deal when he hasn't proven anything. These stats aren't worth that kind of money

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					42	26	196	137	1465	10.7	12	77	41	3.3	34.9	69.9%	7.5									137	10.7	1465	12	2	10
2018	23	PHI	TE	88	16	8	44	33	334	10.1	4	16	32	2.1	20.9	75.0%	7.6									33	10.1	334	4	0	2
2019	24	PHI	TE	88	15	9	87	58	607	10.5	5	33	28	3.9	40.5	66.7%	7.0									58	10.5	607	5	2	5
2020	25	PHI	TE	88	11	9	65	46	524	11.4	3	28	41	4.2	47.6	70.8%	8.1									46	11.4	524	3	0	3

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Why give a mega deal when he hasn't proven anything. These stats aren't worth that kind of money

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					42	26	196	137	1465	10.7	12	77	41	3.3	34.9	69.9%	7.5									137	10.7	1465	12	2	10
2018	23	PHI	TE	88	16	8	44	33	334	10.1	4	16	32	2.1	20.9	75.0%	7.6									33	10.1	334	4	0	2
2019	24	PHI	TE	88	15	9	87	58	607	10.5	5	33	28	3.9	40.5	66.7%	7.0									58	10.5	607	5	2	5
2020	25	PHI	TE	88	11	9	65	46	524	11.4	3	28	41	4.2	47.6	70.8%	8.1									46	11.4	524	3	0	3

 

Averaged out over the total experience of the league, you are going to save money if you don't extend players until midseason (or after the season) of their last year under contract.

Just think of how much better off the Eagles would be if all Howie's extensions were not done prematurely?

If Goedert gets hurt, again, in 2021, he won't fetch big money at all.  If he, through no fault of his own, suffers as part of a crappy offense, mostly blocks, and puts up numbers only slightly better than 2019 as our #1 TE, he's not going to get huge money.  The chances of neither of those things happening aren't too spectacular.  So his value as a do it all TE who projects as a player about to take a big step......that's a high asking price on the extension right now.  I bet he's cheaper at the end of the season.

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think overall he was pretty generous in his assessments. Mailata and Hurts were the two he was most critical, everyone else like Reagor, Fulgham and Davion Taylor he seemed to be more open to. 

Yeah, he tends to be optimistic. The Taylor optimism was fairly surprising, as was his view of Patrick Johnson. 

Conversely, he was really down on McPhearson. 

Two words... Howie Roseman

 

 

Someone tell me why he still has a job?

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Two words... Howie Roseman

 

 

Someone tell me why he still has a job?

That is hard to watch, but if DeVonta becomes the best WR, or close to it, in the league, I'll somewhat get over it.

17 hours ago, greend said:

ummmm, what?

I’ve no Fing idea what I was trying to say there. My first post was about players learning how to not get hurt by sliding. I’m honest enough to admit I don’t make sense all the time.

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Two words... Howie Roseman

 

 

Someone tell me why he still has a job?

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Lots of practice on protecting the ball.  I like that.  Weakness for the Eagles last year was the turnover ratio.  That has to improve significantly. Of course, we lost Carson’s tendency to lose a fumble once a game but Jalen seems to have caught that bug so protection of the rock is clearly a fundamental that needs to improve.

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Two words... Howie Roseman

 

 

Someone tell me why he still has a job?

Jeez man, it's done.  Put it to bed already.  We all know (our intrepid brethren in Austin notwithstanding) that Howie ain't good and truly S the bed not picking Jefferson.  But enough is enough.  Move on.  Let it go.  Stop crying in your soup.

Cossell also said in those 4 Hurts games, how explosive Reagor was.  And Mailata wasn't that good.

3 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Cossell also said in those 4 Hurts games, how explosive Reagor was.  And Mailata wasn't that good.

Mailata is a fascinating case. His play in a vacuum wasn’t spectacular (and pretty overrated in here), but when graded on a curve, it was spectacular. 

At what point do we stop grading on a curve? That’s a serious question for the Blog because I’m not sure. Another year? Maybe two?

Just now, ManuManu said:

Mailata is a fascinating case. His play in a vacuum wasn’t spectacular (and pretty overrated in here), but when graded on a curve, it was spectacular. 

At what point do we stop grading on a curve? That’s a serious question for the Blog because I’m not sure. Another year? Maybe two?

This season, there are fewer excuses for him. He's had game time, he's a had consistent coach since being drafted.  Yes, the lack of experience is an issue, but at some point, he needs to be judged on his performance.  The time is now.

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Why give a mega deal when he hasn't proven anything. These stats aren't worth that kind of money

					Games		Receiving											Rushing								Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					42	26	196	137	1465	10.7	12	77	41	3.3	34.9	69.9%	7.5									137	10.7	1465	12	2	10
2018	23	PHI	TE	88	16	8	44	33	334	10.1	4	16	32	2.1	20.9	75.0%	7.6									33	10.1	334	4	0	2
2019	24	PHI	TE	88	15	9	87	58	607	10.5	5	33	28	3.9	40.5	66.7%	7.0									58	10.5	607	5	2	5
2020	25	PHI	TE	88	11	9	65	46	524	11.4	3	28	41	4.2	47.6	70.8%	8.1									46	11.4	524	3	0	3

 

Two words

Howie Roseman

30 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Jeez man, it's done.  Put it to bed already.  We all know (our intrepid brethren in Austin notwithstanding) that Howie ain't good and truly S the bed not picking Jefferson.  But enough is enough.  Move on.  Let it go.  Stop crying in your soup.

It’s not as though Howie was on an island missing out on Jefferson; if other execs thought he was capable of going off for 1,400 yards he would have been the first WR off the board and a top 10 pick (maybe top 5).  I get it, though — it was Jefferson and Reagor on the board at 21 and Howie went with the speed guy instead of the volume guy — and it turns out Jefferson is both.  

It’s not nearly as tiresome as the JJAW-Metcalf crap that constantly gets brought up, though.  There was JJAW drafted, then TWO OTHER WR drafted …. Then Metcalf.  People have serious selective memory on that one — and there were very few DK Metcalf boosters in here pre-draft.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Mailata is a fascinating case. His play in a vacuum wasn’t spectacular (and pretty overrated in here), but when graded on a curve, it was spectacular. 

At what point do we stop grading on a curve? That’s a serious question for the Blog because I’m not sure. Another year? Maybe two?

For me I couldn’t care less if a player is drafted #1 overall or #255 overall once they’re in uniform on game day — they’re accountable for being a good player or a bad player.  Dillard was a 1st round pick, Mailata a 7th round pick.  Let the guy who performs better in training camp be the starter — then the starter is accountable.  

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Mailata is a fascinating case. His play in a vacuum wasn’t spectacular (and pretty overrated in here), but when graded on a curve, it was spectacular. 

At what point do we stop grading on a curve? That’s a serious question for the Blog because I’m not sure. Another year? Maybe two?

Training camp 2022.  That's 4 years of football under his belt.

There are (not many, but plenty) guys who pick up the game in college, dominate, get drafted, and are in the NFL with the same or less experience than that.  I wouldn't say he's a finished product by then, but he'd have enough experience that we don't have to drool over the fact that he knows how to put on pads and a helmet despite being a rugby player from Australia.  

 

10 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Some good weekend viewing for everyone.  This guy established himself as the best last season for breaking down that all 22 coaches film of specific players last season. He just put up this one hour long breakdown of every pass of Hurts from last season.  Dissecting all the good and bad.  Showing who was open, who wasn't.  The coverages.  The drops.   Everything. There is no better, nothing more comprehensive on Hurts rookie year as a passer than this. 

15 hours ago, Utebird said:

My kids dont think I'm cool nor do they call me papa😄

Grand kids

1 hour ago, EaglesIreland said:

I’ve no Fing idea what I was trying to say there. My first post was about players learning how to not get hurt by sliding. I’m honest enough to admit I don’t make sense all the time.

Fair enough

7 minutes ago, greend said:

Grand kids

Speaks a lot for you that your grandkids see you as a positive influence; I still have strong memories of both my grandmothers.  They were diametrically opposite people -- my mom's mom was a doting kindly old lady who always asked if you wanted a sandwich, more cookies, more milk, more anything, bought you presents at Christmas time, gave you money or your birthday.  My dad's mom might have been the most intimidating woman I've ever known; there were rules, rules, and more rules -- if you wanted a treat she might give you one of those striped mints that were rock hard and took 2 hours to get through.  At some point she needed to have her leg amputated at the knee for health reasons; after that her demeanor was even less kindly (understandably so)

Never knew either of my grandfathers; both my parents lost their fathers at an early age.

56 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Mailata is a fascinating case. His play in a vacuum wasn’t spectacular (and pretty overrated in here), but when graded on a curve, it was spectacular. 

At what point do we stop grading on a curve? That’s a serious question for the Blog because I’m not sure. Another year? Maybe two?

Right now. If what you say is true then Dillard better be able to beat him out