3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

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It's also funny how he had to cut it off at "first three starts" otherwise some of those comparisons fall off. 

He's the king of finding the most obscure stats to try and make someone look good.

 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

The game where they tanked and he didn’t play the entire game?

I wouldn’t include that for anyone. Still trying to forget it. 

He had easy opportunities to throw a TD in the game but yea why not cherry pick just the best games. 

56 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

Yet we keep hearing from some on here that he doesn’t have an NFL arm. Nonsense. 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Its funny, I head a conspiracy theory about Sirianni and Hurts and this video played into this. 

Sirianni is a big WR guy. He wants to get his WR's the ball. He's not going to like Hurts 1 read and run, or RPO runs and Hurts really isnt his guy because of him wanting a "pocket passer"(see Flacco and Mullens. 

Interesting

 

Love how this 1 read and run narrative that is rampant here is based purely on hate and not reality as evidenced in this breakdown of every pass he made last season. 

EDIT: also having just watched that Siriano video I have no idea what in that has lead to anything that you said of Sirianni preferring a Flacco or Mullens QB. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

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It's also funny how he had to cut it off at "first three starts" otherwise some of those comparisons fall off if you include the 4th and worst start.

Yikes. Good ol’ Roob. Using the prfref search engine to make up ridiculous defenses of people. Similar to Jordan Matthews. 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yet we keep hearing from some on here that he doesn’t have an NFL arm. Nonsense. 

Did you just commit the 'appeal to authority' fallacy and used Reuben Frank's statistical analysis which was full of false equivalency fallacies to try to suggest that the conclusion he made is sound?   If the premises of the argument are not sound, the conclusion that they point to cannot be verified as sound.  That breaks all the laws of logic.

The "Jalen Hurts doesn't have an arm" statement is too generic. Does he have an NFL arm? Yes. Is it impressive compared to around the league? Not really. It's not a strength you can point to but it's also not a major red flag either. 

45 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So what point is there in brining up McNabb?

Yea, they shouldn't be solely judged on completion percentage. But the fanbase shouldn't be gaslight into thinking it was fine or good either. It is what it is, which was bad. Acknowledging it was bad isn't going to make him a bust. It's not going to make him a bad player. Call it what it is, and he'll have his chance to improve it. 

Point Bringing up mcnabb is that rookie pass completion isn't indicative of a QB overall pass accuracy.

Plenty of qbs have struggled as rookies and put up some ugly numbers to end up being productive qbs, heck sometimes it takes a few years and a QB being in the right system to be productive 

For Instance rich Gannon didn't just all the sudden at over the age of 30 get a stronger or more accurate arm, he just had more experience and was in a system with good players and a coach and an offense that fit his skill set and he won an MVP 

Siriani and Co job is to out hurts in situations he can succeed. 

Some qbs have all the talent in the world but fail because they don't have the mental make up or work ethic to succeed.

Hurts has both those in spades and I think if Siriani can put him in enough situations to be successful he will 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Point Bringing up mcnabb is that rookie pass completion isn't indicative of a QB overall pass accuracy.

Plenty of qbs have struggled as rookies and put up some ugly numbers to end up being productive qbs, heck sometimes it takes a few years and a QB being in the right system to be productive 

For Instance rich Gannon didn't just all the sudden at over the age of 30 get a stronger or more accurate arm, he just had more experience and was in a system with good players and a coach and an offense that fit his skill set and he won an MVP 

Siriani and Co job is to out hurts in situations he can succeed. 

Some qbs have all the talent in the world but fail because they don't have the mental make up or work ethic to succeed.

Hurts has both those in spades and I think if Siriani can put him in enough situations to be successful he will 

Compare Hurts against the other QBs playing right now, because all that matters is wins and losses -- your QB has to at least be close to the league average to have any shot.

In 2020:

17 QBs were above 66% comp -- he's gotta be in that range.

13 QBs threw at least 3 TDs for every INT -- that's where he has to get to.

Some guys want to reduce this to the lowest common denominator that people must hate Hurts -- nobody hates the guy.  He has to get to a certain level of play for the Eagles to realistically compete week in and week out, and he's not there yet.  Everyone should be able to agree on that.  Yes, he's been a starter for all of 4 games -- just about everyone understands that -- but the opponent doesn't care. 

Every starter has to perform regardless of how and why they have the job.  

 

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The "Jalen Hurts doesn't have an arm" statement is too generic. Does he have an NFL arm? Yes. Is it impressive compared to around the league? Not really. It's not a strength you can point to but it's also not a major red flag either. 

Nothing involving the passing game is a strength of Jalen Hurts.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Thanks for your advice, but since he's still here, still making the picks, still giving the contracts, still making the trades and the bad contracts to follow those...  and still hiding under Lurie's shadow of protection, I will continue to point to his incompetence any time the mood strikes me.   

That's fine but this one is over a year old.  Find a new bone to chew.

breaking down statistics is utterly pointless with all of the changes and the limited sample size.  Just going by the eye test, Hurts wasnt scared but he didnt flash greatness--thats all you can definitively say.  The team literally tanked one of his 4 starts and took him out of the game.

His little appearances prior to his starts were basically nothing, and then his starts were in garbage time.  Im not sure all of the players even gave a S at the end of the season when Hurts played.

Random...I think Jameis Winston is going to surprise people in NO next year.

Good coach, good team, good weapons.  Winston may throw far too many INTs, but he's a passer.  He knows how to move an offense in the air.  Better coaching and a better team may yield very different results from him.  Not to mention, Brees, despite being an all-time great, really limited that offense in the last year or 2.  There's no way that offense will be as explosive with Hill as it could be with Winston.

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

🤪  You act like it was his lone misstep.  F dude.  The whole nation saw one of his advisors pass up a fist bump, because of how much of a clown he is.  He ain’t going away and neither is the problems with this franchise.  

No I don't.  Ive been clear about how I feel about Howie.  Pay attention. My point is it is time to move on from Jefferson.  Old news.  Uninteresting.  We all know there is more fodder on its way: keeping Ertz on the roster for the entire season while also giving Goedert a big new contract; watching one of our 5th string CB have a good game and signing him to an extension; extending Slay; the egregious possibilities are endless.

6 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

No I don't.  Ive been clear about how I feel about Howie.  Pay attention. My point is it is time to move on from Jefferson.  Old news.  Uninteresting.  We all know there is more fodder on its way: keeping Ertz on the roster for the entire season while also giving Goedert a big new contract; watching one of our 5th string CB have a good game and signing him to an extension; extending Slay; the egregious possibilities are endless.

This could bring up an interesting discussion...which impending Howie move has you the most nervous?

-extending Goedert as possibly a top 3 paid TE?

-extending Barnett above market value?

-NOT paying Mailata because Dillard is on the team?

-extending Maddox as CB2?

-bringing back Nate Gerry?

 

29 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Random...I think Jameis Winston is going to surprise people in NO next year.

Good coach, good team, good weapons.  Winston may throw far too many INTs, but he's a passer.  He knows how to move an offense in the air.  Better coaching and a better team may yield very different results from him.  Not to mention, Brees, despite being an all-time great, really limited that offense in the last year or 2.  There's no way that offense will be as explosive with Hill as it could be with Winston.

 

He had all that in Tampa with Bruce as HC and a x QB as OC , he just can’t stop turning it over , his turnovers were responsible for 6.5 points per game , that is why he was let go by Tampa , Brady comes in ,  doesn’t throw 33 picks , and they win a super bowl . 
Jameis has always been a turnover machine , it’s a shame , because he has the arm talent .

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Did you just commit the 'appeal to authority' fallacy and used Reuben Frank's statistical analysis which was full of false equivalency fallacies to try to suggest that the conclusion he made is sound?   If the premises of the argument are not sound, the conclusion that they point to cannot be verified as sound.  That breaks all the laws of logic.

Everything stat he stated was accurate.  The thing I base it on is ball velocity which is pretty much around a lot of NFL starters. He’s no Josh Allen but few are.

Now it has been four decades since I took Logic but as I recall, it is pretty easy to conclude a falsehood from truths but just as easy to prove a truth from false premises so I don’t think I broke any laws of logic. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This could bring up an interesting discussion...which impending Howie move has you the most nervous?

-extending Goedert as possibly a top 3 paid TE?

-extending Barnett above market value?

-NOT paying Mailata because Dillard is on the team?

-extending Maddox as CB2?

-bringing back Nate Gerry?

 

Having three first round choices in next year’s draft. 

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Random...I think Jameis Winston is going to surprise people in NO next year.

Good coach, good team, good weapons.  Winston may throw far too many INTs, but he's a passer.  He knows how to move an offense in the air.  Better coaching and a better team may yield very different results from him.  Not to mention, Brees, despite being an all-time great, really limited that offense in the last year or 2.  There's no way that offense will be as explosive with Hill as it could be with Winston.

 

I actually really liked him coming out of college. He has the talent to be great and there’s no doubt there’s a higher ceiling with Winston than Hill. 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ertz wont be on the roster.  Or he'll come up with a phantom injury.  If they don't release him.  

 

How about Lowie forcing Sirianni to call a pass heavy offense with a running qb.  But no, all of their misteps in the past that haunt us now, should be brought up.  Almost as much as Wentz is brought up when someone is talking about Hurts.  Ooops...I just did that

Guess getting pounded with past incompetence isn't my thing.  

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This could bring up an interesting discussion...which impending Howie move has you the most nervous?

-extending Goedert as possibly a top 3 paid TE?

-extending Barnett above market value?

-NOT paying Mailata because Dillard is on the team?

-extending Maddox as CB2?

-bringing back Nate Gerry?

 

Nate Gerry.  Then saying they never should have let him go at all.  Too valuable to the defense.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Compare Hurts against the other QBs playing right now, because all that matters is wins and losses -- your QB has to at least be close to the league average to have any shot.

In 2020:

17 QBs were above 66% comp -- he's gotta be in that range.

13 QBs threw at least 3 TDs for every INT -- that's where he has to get to.

Some guys want to reduce this to the lowest common denominator that people must hate Hurts -- nobody hates the guy.  He has to get to a certain level of play for the Eagles to realistically compete week in and week out, and he's not there yet.  Everyone should be able to agree on that.  Yes, he's been a starter for all of 4 games -- just about everyone understands that -- but the opponent doesn't care. 

Every starter has to perform regardless of how and why they have the job.  

 

I agree for him to be successful this year he needs to be near or above those numbers and I don't believe his rookie numbers are inductive if him reaching those numbers or not 

Last year's offense was awful all around, the O line couldn't block the scheme was predictable and boring the receivers were all over the place it was just a really bad environment to expect ones qb to thrive.

This year hurts should have a more stable environment, I dont expect him to light the league on fire as he's still young and growing but I expect he improves from last year, whether or not he reaches any if the numbers you mentioned I'm not sure, I maintain I'll take a wait and see approach. If hurts fails in a stable enviry it won't be because he doesn't work hard or is soft or doesn't have a strong enough arm it.

I'm excited to see it all unfold!

2 hours ago, CouchKing said:

I'm thinking that Jalen Hurts makes the Pro Bowl this year...

Will that be good enough for the haters and negative nancies?

Probably not, but those of us that are skeptical might change over, but I would guess that I would need to wake up from a dream first.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Way to pick an outlier. 

If you combined the hall of famers from rounds 2 through 15 it wouldnt equal the hall of famers who were drafted in the first round

How many of those HOF QBs won a super bowl???

Brad Johnson, Trent dilfer, Joe flacco all won super bowls.

Meanwhile Kelly Marino moon all goose eggs in the super bowl column.

The fact remains every year a bunch of QBs are drafted in the first round and a bunch bust.

Look at mcnabbs draft class.

5 qbs drafted in the 1st round.

5 qbs drafted in the next 4 rounds.

Macnabb was the best of the bunch, Culpepper good for a bit before he fell off a cliff.

Shaun King drafted in the 2nd had a better career than couch, akili Smith and Cade mcknown.

Aaron Brooks drafted in the 5th round better career than the 3 above First rounders who busted.

None of them won a super bowl McNabb was the only one who played in one.

Point being the draft is a crap shoot and scouts are the shooters.

 

44 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

He had all that in Tampa with Bruce as HC and a x QB as OC , he just can’t stop turning it over , his turnovers were responsible for 6.5 points per game , that is why he was let go by Tampa , Brady comes in ,  doesn’t throw 33 picks , and they win a super bowl . 
Jameis has always been a turnover machine , it’s a shame , because he has the arm talent .

An arm talent turnover machine offers more upside than starting an h-back at qb.