47 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

He had all that in Tampa with Bruce as HC and a x QB as OC , he just can’t stop turning it over , his turnovers were responsible for 6.5 points per game , that is why he was let go by Tampa , Brady comes in ,  doesn’t throw 33 picks , and they win a super bowl . 
Jameis has always been a turnover machine , it’s a shame , because he has the arm talent .

Yup and a ten cent head.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

62% comp, 2:1 TD/INT ratio, 15-18% ratio of runs to pass attempts.  That's all I really expect from Hurts in his first full year.  Those are all rather pedestrian starting QB numbers.  If he meets those metrics then I'll believe he's on the right track to be the long term starter.  It would be nice if he gets 2-3 comeback wins in the 4th quarter as well.

Most QBs peak in their 4-5th seasons, Wentz is a bit of an outlier in that he peaked in his 2nd season, then got injured and wasn't able to adjust to a loss of mobility.

Wentz was also 25 in his 2nd season, Hurts will be 23.

I'd be happy with Murray's rookie numbers in his first full season, 64.4%, 6.9 Y/A, 20-12, QBR 57.7 (15th).

Last year's QB numbers were skewed up, probably b/c defenses didn't have the full TC to prepare for the season, bur normally a 55 QBR puts you easily in the top 20.

I doubt Hurts will ever be Brady, Brees or Rodgers, then again, I doubt Lawrence or any other QB drafted the last few years will reach that level, either.

 

21 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I agree for him to be successful this year he needs to be near or above those numbers and I don't believe his rookie numbers are inductive if him reaching those numbers or not 

Last year's offense was awful all around, the O line couldn't block the scheme was predictable and boring the receivers were all over the place it was just a really bad environment to expect ones qb to thrive.

This year hurts should have a more stable environment, I dont expect him to light the league on fire as he's still young and growing but I expect he improves from last year, whether or not he reaches any if the numbers you mentioned I'm not sure, I maintain I'll take a wait and see approach. If hurts fails in a stable enviry it won't be because he doesn't work hard or is soft or doesn't have a strong enough arm it.

I'm excited to see it all unfold!

This gets brought up a lot, but will he? Doug and Co. were bad last year, no debate on that. But first year coach entering his first year play calling under a possible micromanaging GM/Owner along with a generally speaking extremely young staff all first or second years on the job leads me to believe there will be some pretty big growing pains from the coaching/game planning/play calling side of things. It's really confusing why they didn't bother bringing in some type of senior offensive assistant Nick could lean on.

15 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

He might not be the greatest at PCs, but he looks like he’s confident on the field. 

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This gets brought up a lot, but will he? Doug and Co. were bad last year, no debate on that. But first year coach entering his first year play calling under a possible micromanaging GM/Owner along with a generally speaking extremely young staff all first or second years on the job leads me to believe there will be some pretty big growing pains from the coaching/game planning/play calling side of things. It's really confusing why they didn't bother bringing in some type of senior offensive assistant Nick could lean on.

I'd rather they go with the young guys that can work an grow together rather than the clown car they had last year.

the offensive staff with their 35 bazillion assistant O Coaches  was a train wreck, there was zero continuity or callaboration, way too many chefs in the kitchen which led to a disjointed ugly horrid offense, and the injuries compacted the problem.

Even if Siriani and Co go through their growing pains just having a healthy O line should create A more stable environment for hurts to succeed.

 

49 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This gets brought up a lot, but will he? Doug and Co. were bad last year, no debate on that. But first year coach entering his first year play calling under a possible micromanaging GM/Owner along with a generally speaking extremely young staff all first or second years on the job leads me to believe there will be some pretty big growing pains from the coaching/game planning/play calling side of things. It's really confusing why they didn't bother bringing in some type of senior offensive assistant Nick could lean on.

Hopefully it works out, but it is risky. Reid’s staff were a bunch of unknowns at the time too. 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Hopefully it works out, but it is risky. Reid’s staff were a bunch of unknowns at the time too. 

I was just about to say, Reid's staff other than JJ were pretty young and unknown as well.

Maybe Lurie and Howie are trying to recreate what they had with Reid, difference is Lurie and Howie are  both different than they were then as Howie was just an underlying and Lurie wasn't as hands on, at least I do t remember that being the perception.

53 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I can see how YOU can grow tired of it.  

You are on the edge of funny.  Amusing is appropriate.  Did Elsa hit you at all?  Wasn't much more than a bunch rain and a little wind down here.  Played 9 yesterday after work and all my approach shots landed nice and soft on the saturated greens.  Just like they always do...

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I was just about to say, Reid's staff other than JJ were pretty young and unknown as well.

Maybe Lurie and Howie are trying to recreate what they had with Reid, difference is Lurie and Howie are  both different than they were then as Howie was just an underlying and Lurie wasn't as hands on, at least I do t remember that being the perception.

Howie wasn't even around, he started as an intern in 2000. 

I do think they are trying to recreate that dynamic, but it seems risky. What are the odds 8 of these assistants will become NFL head coaches at some point like Reids did? Seems like a long shot. 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie wasn't even around, he started as an intern in 2000. 

I do think they are trying to recreate that dynamic, but it seems risky. What are the odds 8 of these assistants will become NFL head coaches at some point like Reids did? Seems like a long shot. 

I like that they went with a young coaching staff; didn't want any retreads from other teams.  I found it interesting this entire hiring cycle around the NFL were all first time head coaches.

The challenge with young coordinators is the organization had better get to work on a pipeline of qualified position coaches, etc. because if (when) the Eagles become good again we will see Gannon, Steichen, and even a couple of others get poached pretty quickly.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie wasn't even around, he started as an intern in 2000. 

I do think they are trying to recreate that dynamic, but it seems risky. What are the odds 8 of these assistants will become NFL head coaches at some point like Reids did? Seems like a long shot. 

Yup and Reid's first year was 1999 so Howie was there for all but one of Reid's years, though as mentioned he was just a scrub who worked his way up.

Not sure, Reid created a great learning environment for his other coaches and with the success that he and the eagles had other teams were bound to hire guys away.

I imagine if Siriani has Reid like success other coaches on his staff will be more in demand league wide.

How great of a season do you think Hurts would need to have to make Howie end any pursuit of a coveted QB next offseason. Whether it be Watson, Wilson, or trading up in the 2022 draft?

I've heard a lot of people say they think Hurts will have a good year and he might. But I think for Howie and/or Lurie to be sold on him, he'll need to have a monumentally great season. Like 4200 yards, 37 TDs, 8 INTs and 65% completions good.

If he say has a year where he throws for 3,600 yards, 23 TDs, 13 INTs and 60% completions, I don't think that's going to be enough.

And even if he has a truly great year, it may not be enough, because even if he has one great season and if it turns out to be an anomaly, they'd be kicking themselves for passing on acquiring a top level QB. And also, having a great year would make Hurts more attractive trade-wise, so you may not need to lump in a bunch of picks with him to get a guy like Wilson or Watson.

If he outs up 30+ total TDs with at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio while also winning a playoff game then his job will be safe.  Anything less and it opens the possibility that Roseman and Lurie will explore other potential options with their assets. 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

How great of a season do you think Hurts would need to have to make Howie end any pursuit of a coveted QB next offseason. Whether it be Watson, Wilson, or trading up in the 2022 draft?

I've heard a lot of people say they think Hurts will have a good year and he might. But I think for Howie and/or Lurie to be sold on him, he'll need to have a monumentally great season. Like 4200 yards, 37 TDs, 8 INTs and 65% completions good.

If he say has a year where he throws for 3,600 yards, 23 TDs, 13 INTs and 60% completions, I don't think that's going to be enough.

And even if he has a truly great year, it may not be enough, because even if he has one great season and if it turns out to be an anomaly, they'd be kicking themselves for passing on acquiring a top level QB. And also, having a great year would make Hurts more attractive trade-wise, so you may not need to lump in a bunch of picks with him to get a guy like Wilson or Watson.

Who the hell knows with those two. They acted like he was a talent they needed to draft and didn't want to risk waiting until the third for him so they could become a QB factory and then when everyone knows he's the guy they act hesitant on him and you constantly hear how they explore everything to replace him already. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Everyone knows he’s "the guy”?   Was that a poor choice of words?  As in Mr Right Now, not Mr Right?  

Poor choice of words. Meant once the Wentz saga was resolved it's pretty clear he was going to be the starter barring a major move, he was the only QB on the roster for a few months. 

30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

And even if he has a truly great year, it may not be enough, because even if he has one great season and if it turns out to be an anomaly, they'd be kicking themselves for passing on acquiring a top level QB. And also, having a great year would make Hurts more attractive trade-wise, so you may not need to lump in a bunch of picks with him to get a guy like Wilson or Watson.

I believe you're overthinking it at this step.

The best NFL QBs were selected where in the draft?  Mahomes was #10 overall, Watson was #12 overall, Rodgers was #24 overall, Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick, Lamar Jackson has won an MVP and he was #32 overall.  Dak is now paid $40M to play QB and he was a 4th round pick.  Russell Wilson will turn 33 this season and his effectiveness is based on mobility.  He's not going to be worth the price tag.  Watson will escape prison only by paying his accusers off.  Rodgers is a prima donna who will turn 38 this season.

I realize the Eagles selected McNabb #2 and moved up to take Wentz #2, but it's a terrible plan to give up premium draft resources just to get up to the top of the draft.  Who's to say Mac Jones at #15 won't be a better NFL QB than Zach Wilson at #2?  There will be a new flavor of "top franchise QBs" in every draft; no need to go chase one.  

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I believe you're overthinking it at this step.

The best NFL QBs were selected where in the draft?  Mahomes was #10 overall, Watson was #12 overall, Rodgers was #24 overall, Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick, Lamar Jackson has won an MVP and he was #32 overall.  Dak is now paid $40M to play QB and he was a 4th round pick.  Russell Wilson will turn 33 this season and his effectiveness is based on mobility.  He's not going to be worth the price tag.  Watson will escape prison only by paying his accusers off.  Rodgers is a prima donna who will turn 38 this season.

I realize the Eagles selected McNabb #2 and moved up to take Wentz #2, but it's a terrible plan to give up premium draft resources just to get up to the top of the draft.  Who's to say Mac Jones at #15 won't be a better NFL QB than Zach Wilson at #2?  There will be a new flavor of "top franchise QBs" in every draft; no need to go chase one.  

I was talking more with that comment about trading for a guy like Watson who's proven. If Hurts has a great year I think they'd likely keep him over an option in next year's draft unless they totally fall in love with a QB prospect. But if a proven player who is still young like Watson is available(assuming the legal stuff is settled by then), I could see them opting for a guy who's proven to be elite over multiple years and give up Hurts + draft capital to secure that certainty. Rather than gamble on a potential one year wonder.

Watson being dealt would be pretty unprecedented. I went back 30 years and didn't find a top 5-7 QB in their mid 20's traded. It just doesn't happen. The Eagles could capitalize on a literal once in a generation opportunity to get a player of that caliber that young at that position.

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who the hell knows with those two. They acted like he was a talent they needed to draft and didn't want to risk waiting until the third for him so they could become a QB factory and then when everyone knows he's the guy they act hesitant on him and you constantly hear how they explore everything to replace him already. 

Yup. 

Me thinks Howie doesn't have a clue what he is doing

 

 

Thanks to all the BBQ posts in here I decided to upgrade my game. Threw out my old p.o.s. and got a dual 2in1 grill and also bought a side fire box to turn the charcoal side into an offset smoker. Going to spend the weekend putting this thing together. Thanks to the blog I now have a smoker along with a sous vide. 

42 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Watson being dealt would be pretty unprecedented. I went back 30 years and didn't find a top 5-7 QB in their mid 20's traded. It just doesn't happen. The Eagles could capitalize on a literal once in a generation opportunity to get a player of that caliber that young at that position.

I don't want any part of Watson.  Even before his legal troubles he tried to dictate who the Texans were to hire, not only as head coach but general manager.  He just signed a lucrative extension last September and now wants to hold the organization hostage already.

Add to that -- he has 1 playoff win in 4 years.  Not worth the headache.

18 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Is that a muppet doing the analysis? 

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Is that a muppet doing the analysis? 

Just your average Eagles twitter guy who splurged on game pass and gets paid for his work via Patreon

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

If he outs up 30+ total TDs with at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio while also winning a playoff game then his job will be safe.  Anything less and it opens the possibility that Roseman and Lurie will explore other potential options with their assets. 

Surprisingly, I agree.

Would depend on the amount of passing TDs though. Can't have him only throwing 16 TDs in 17 games. Also depends on whether or not he's doing it the entire game or if he's putting up 2/3 TDs late while we're getting blown out.

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't want any part of Watson.  Even before his legal troubles he tried to dictate who the Texans were to hire, not only as head coach but general manager.  He just signed a lucrative extension last September and now wants to hold the organization hostage already.

Add to that -- he has 1 playoff win in 4 years.  Not worth the headache.

I do. I think getting Watson would be a franchise altering move and could turn out to be one of the best trades in the history of Philly sports. An elite QB, a gamer, a winner, threw for 5,000 yards and like 70% completions without Hopkins last year. The guy is just a stud and only under crazy circumstances would a guy like that be available and he would be in a year where the Eagles lead the NFL in draft capital.

Can't think of a more no-brainer deal than getting a guy like that in his mid 20's. Overnight the Eagles would be back to the top as NFC East favorites. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card during a time where their future prospects look grim.

57 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I do. I think getting Watson would be a franchise altering move and could turn out to be one of the best trades in the history of Philly sports. An elite QB, a gamer, a winner, threw for 5,000 yards and like 70% completions without Hopkins last year. The guy is just a stud and only under crazy circumstances would a guy like that be available and he would be in a year where the Eagles lead the NFL in draft capital.

Can't think of a more no-brainer deal than getting a guy like that in his mid 20's. Overnight the Eagles would be back to the top as NFC East favorites. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card during a time where their future prospects look grim.

That’s depends if Watson has a get out of jail free card lol.