I thought the first 4 minutes of this was spot on 

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

all those teams play to the strengths of the personnel which is something we’ve complained about for three years with doug. It could show that all those teams know the personnel that they have and adjust and adapt to the personnel they have to get to where they were. Also that their front office gives them good personnel instead of giving them lousy personnel

we’ve posted stuff where he doesn’t adapt to the personnel he has until December last 3 years. Even this year he decided to run a trick play with ward as a passer. So for 20 games until week 17 in a meaningless game he decided against it.  So you’re telling me with playoffs on the line the last couple of weeks prior to week 17 and last year in the playoffs where they could’ve used a spark he decided to not use that but in a meaningless game he was willing to do so. There’s multiple instances I could give you were doug decided to not utilize guys like reagor or sanders or others to their strengths in each of the last three years for the first couple months of the season then miraculously figure that out with three different QBs in December

 So is the new norm we don’t know what we’re doing with our personnel until December and then we finally adjust to the personnel that we have in December? Because that’s not good enough to win big in this league just being able to adapt and adjust in December. And this December he didn’t do that great of a job because in the second half of games their offense had hollow yards or they just didn’t do anything and had an average of 4.3 points in the second half over the last month for the season

The tweet was in reference to the same exact criticism that Reid got for not running the ball more when he was here. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

It may not be necessary to interfere with the next head coach's staff picks. Biased media is acting like Lurie interfered with Chip, and Reid's staffs. Didnt happen... 

 

It may not, however...

How do you think other coaches will see it? Think they’ll take Howie’s side or the SB-winning coach’s? These guys talk, and Howie has a reputation. 

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

La Canfora is

I think they'll overcorrect here just like they do everything else. Wouldn't be surprised if the new coach picks his staff AND has a greater say in his personnel.

Howie is always right so it makes sense they’d give the HC some say so they can use it against him when the reckoning comes. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It may not, however...

How do you think other coaches will see it? Think they’ll take Howie’s side or the SB-winning coach’s? These guys talk, and Howie has a reputation. 

I dont know. They may see it the more clear way uncolored by philly's local media with personal vendettas.  

If there is any truth to the reasons Lurie trusts Howie, surely many other NFL insiders know that information. Youre just assuming they all only know the negative stuff the media feeds you. 

Maybe they know all of Doug's shortcomings and why Lurie and Howie had to do what theyve done. 

The real question is how much did Jeffrey Lurie believe in Chip Kelly to throw his guy into the basement? 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The tweet was in reference to the same exact criticism that Reid got for not running the ball more when he was here. 

I think that tweet shows you that there’s four different teams and three coaches came off of Andy Reid and two of the four coaches don’t have the same philosophy with their team and personnel that and he did offensively. I think it was to show that Andy Reid is a good coach and there’s been good coaches have come off that tree. But I also think another message that comes off of that tweet is that just because Andy loves to pass the ball and so do the bills that not all Andy coaches do that and adjust to their teams. The Browns in the Ravens are a run first team. I also believe Jim Harbaugh and Sean McDermitt Don’t call plays for their offenses.

Guy on WIP who covers the Big 12 says he's shocked people are even talking about Riley coming to the NFL, he really doesn't have interest in it right now, he's committed to Oklahoma and wants to win a national title there, and if he does, the Cowboys would be his dream destination.

Also said from talking to people he felt Jalen Hurts limited his offensive scheme, so he's not sure coaching Hurts would be a lure for him.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont know. They may see it the more clear way uncolored by philly's local media with personal vendettas.  

If there is any truth to the reasons Lurie trusts Howie, surely many other NFL insiders know that information. Youre just assuming they all only know the negative stuff the media feeds you. 

Personal vendettas? Lol

Best news for me so far is they’ve requested permission to interview Arthur Smith.  I wouldn’t mind Robert Saleh, either.  I’ve never been impressed with Todd Bowles

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think that tweet shows you that there’s four different teams and three coaches came off of Andy Reid and two of the four coaches don’t have the same philosophy with their team and personnel that and he did offensively. I think it was to show that Andy Reid is a good coach and there’s been good coaches have come off that tree. But I also think another message that comes off of that tweet is that just because Andy loves to pass the ball and so do the bills that not all Andy coaches do that and adjust to their teams. The Browns in the Ravens are a run first team. I also believe Jim Harbaugh and Sean McDermitt Don’t call plays for their offenses.

No, that's not what the tweet meant.  But to each, his own. 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Guy on WIP who covers the Big 12 says he's shocked people are even talking about Riley coming to the NFL, he really doesn't have interest in it right now, he's committed to Oklahoma and wants to win a national title there, and if he does, the Cowboys would be his dream destination.

Also said from talking to people he felt Jalen Hurts limited his offensive scheme, so he's not sure coaching Hurts would be a lure for him.

Not that I think we’re getting him, but these college coaches all say they don’t want to go to the NFL. They have recruiting classes to protect. If people get wind that he’s looking to move, it’s held against him in recruiting circles. 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Howie made the mess, but theres no one Id rather have here to fix it either. 

He's just going to kick the can down the road more

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have some questions that I know we'll never get answered, but I'm dying to know.  And for the record, it's also not impossible that Doug and Howie did actually agree on some of these things.

1.  Tops, for me, is who pushed for the 12 personnel? 

2. Who was behind the Torrey Smith -> Mike Wallace -> Desean Jackson lineage of old fast guys forced into the role of the token spacer in the offense?

3.  Who was behind the concept of the offense having ONE token "spacer" at Z with the "power forward" X?

Problem #1 led to investing in a #2 TE (I really don't want to hear it about how Goedert is a stud) over a WR who could have broken the chain of futility in problem #2.  

Combining problem #1 with #3 is what led to 2019's horribly un-explosive and slow offense that lived at the LOS.  And that led to the overcorrection and reaching for multiple unprepared speed WRs in 2020.

I always thought it was inconceivably irrational to combine problem #1 with #3...and I think the reason behind it is that, in this tug of war, there were different people behind each one and we got the worst of all their ideas.

 

I'm biased as hell but

1. Drafting Goedert when we already had Ertz pushed for 12 IMO. So Howie

2. Howie doing speed Band-Aids

3. Doug

We may get the answers from Lurie if Howie is ever fired but Howie seems to have job security for life so... guess we wont get the answers

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It may not be necessary to interfere with the next head coach's staff picks. Biased media is acting like Lurie interfered with Chip, and Reid's staffs. Didnt happen... 

 

Agreed. Chip had all of the power until it became apparent he was ruining Eagles

Just now, schuy7 said:

The real question is how much did Jeffrey Lurie believe in Chip Kelly to throw his guy into the basement? 

It was a major investment to just cut ties so quickly when Chip demanded all the power. So Lurie let him sink or swim, likely realizing Chip would make the case for his own firing soon enough to get Howie back in his position. 

And, maybe he should have done the same thing for Doug. But I guess he didnt want to let another HC set back the franchise even further before starting to blow it up this time. 

7 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

La Canfora is

I think they'll overcorrect here just like they do everything else. Wouldn't be surprised if the new coach picks his staff AND has a greater say in his personnel.

That would actually shock me.  I think Lowie is thinking: "I need to get back in 2016.  That's when I rebuilt this place in my own image.  I brought in a coach who didn't bark back, didn't push his simpleton ideas, and let me construct the staff, the personnel, and even gave me a voice in schematic vision.  That won us a superbowl.  Then the coach got an ego and wanted his fingerprints on everything; and it all went downhill."

They want 2016 Doug...ie someone very, very happy to get the job and eager to join team Lowie and embrace his ideas.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Personal vendettas? Lol

you know media has their guy that feeds them their info. If they got a lot of info through Doug or his connections, theyre going to be siding with Doug. Theyre going to be bitter about him being let go. So now they have an axe to grind with Howie. Theyve incorrectly made it a Howie vs Doug problem when theres plenty of reason to fire Doug on his own merit. Howie should be a separate issue. But thats now how theyre spinning it.  And look at how foolishly so many are buying it. 

I always heavily favor offensive head coaches because if you get a defensive coach and you get a good OC who has great results and a great rapport with your QB(which is the most important thing a team can have) they are gonna get plucked as a head coach elsewhere.

The Falcons situation is the most recent example of that. That team was never the same when Shanahan left. I'm interested to see if the same happens with Buffalo if Daboll leaves. There are always exceptions of course, so I never say I'll never hire a defensive coach, but will always favor offense in a major way.

Saleh second interview with Jets 

 

Good lol

I will say one thing.  The information that has been revealed over the last 24 hours could conceivably help the next coach gain (at least) some form of autonomy.   It could be an issue the Eagles will need to concede if they want any of the top names to come on board.   Could be Chip Kelly 2.0.  (Hopefully without the Chip this time). 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have some questions that I know we'll never get answered, but I'm dying to know.  And for the record, it's also not impossible that Doug and Howie did actually agree on some of these things.

1.  Tops, for me, is who pushed for the 12 personnel? 

2. Who was behind the Torrey Smith -> Mike Wallace -> Desean Jackson lineage of old fast guys forced into the role of the token spacer in the offense?

3.  Who was behind the concept of the offense having ONE token "spacer" at Z with the "power forward" X?

Problem #1 led to investing in a #2 TE (I really don't want to hear it about how Goedert is a stud) over a WR who could have broken the chain of futility in problem #2.  

Combining problem #1 with #3 is what led to 2019's horribly un-explosive and slow offense that lived at the LOS.  And that led to the overcorrection and reaching for multiple unprepared speed WRs in 2020.

I always thought it was inconceivably irrational to combine problem #1 with #3...and I think the reason behind it is that, in this tug of war, there were different people behind each one and we got the worst of all their ideas.

Everyone plays 12 personnel in the NFL, most teams have a blocking TE and a H-back. The reason for Goedert is if you've ever watched Ertz try to block a DE, he's a H-back in a TE body, not because they wanted to build an offense around two TEs. You want to run the ball in running situations (which everyone has cried about for two decades)? You need a blocking TE in today's NFL (since FBs are basically obsolete).

Because the WRs imploded, the TEs became the focus of the offense, this has happened before, with Celek and LJ Smith.

Torrey Smith - Mike Wallace - DeSean. Smith worked for a year, Wallace was signed as a one year patch, just bad luck he got injured (the guy missed one game in 9 years), DeSean is a great deep threat, just signed him a year late.

Power forward X with a speed Z is pretty common in the NFL, it worked in 2017, problem was they should have known Jeffrey was going to break down, that was Howie's biggest mistake.

Every April roster decision is a gamble for October, if you could predict which players will and won't get injured . . . sure some are more likely but Jerrigan, Malik and Wallace, same with Dillard and Brooks, were not. if a guy starts 6-7 straight seasons, you figure he's durable until he's not. Jeffrey, DeSean, Darby were bigger risks.

When you're maneuvering for a last "hurrah", you take more risks, apres moi le deluge.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

you know media has their guy that feeds them their info. If they got a lot of info through Doug or his connections, theyre going to be siding with Doug. Theyre going to be bitter about him being let go. So now they have an axe to grind with Howie. Theyve incorrectly made it a Howie vs Doug problem when theres plenty of reason to fire Doug on his own merit. Howie should be a separate issue. But thats now how theyre spinning it.  And look at how foolishly so many are buying it. 

I don’t have a problem with Doug being gone. It had to be done. But Howie should have gone too. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I don’t have a problem with Doug being gone. It had to be done. But Howie should have gone too. 

yeah... maybe he still will be when it makes more sense to do it- next year. 

 

Just now, austinfan said:

Everyone plays 12 personnel in the NFL.  Not with the frequency or personnel investment that the Eagles do.  Not even close.  End of story.

Because the WRs imploded, the TEs became the focus of the offense, The WRs imploded in part because the TE became the focus of the offense.  DJ Chark would be the best WR on this team and a prototypical Z.  In this offense, back when it was functional, he could have been a lot more productive than he was in Jacksonville.  But they chose a #2 TE instead.

Power forward X with a speed Z is pretty common in the NFL, it worked in 2017.  Seems so common with all of the best offenses in recent NFL history.  Greatest show on turf Rams, Peyton's Colts, Peyton's Broncos, Patriots in Brady's prime, Chiefs, now the new-look Bills.  Wait...none of them did that.

 

 

It feels like this is gonna drag on and they're gonna make a very meh hire that's gonna piss everyone off.

Bad vibes everywhere right now.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Fans, stop taking players with injury issues and you won't have this problem.

Fans, why didn't you take the WR with the neck issue?

Pretty much.

The Eagles have had some bad luck in this department. We’ve actually taken a good number of chances over the years and none of them have seemed to work out. I guess Sweat is a useful player, but I was hoping for more given his athleticism.