4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

The fact that even Andy Reid is upset with the way things have been handled is eye opening.  

 

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Who's claiming fact?  Just about every post in this blog is people's opinions.  Just because "imo" isn't posted after every post, doesn't mean it's not an opinion. 

As far as the Andy Reid coaching tree goes, if a coach from the Andy Reid tree ends up here, we can then dismiss the rumor as being false.  If no one from the Andy Reid coaching tree comes here, then it will be one more piece of evidence. Simple, really. 

I'm going to have to start to charge you for these lessons.

30 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Go back and read your post, you said it was a fact.  

No, I actually didn't. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

No, I actually didn't. 

See above... you did. 

29 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Right here

That's a figure of speech.  Smh.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

See above... you did. 

Figure of speech.  I shouldn't need to put "imo" after every post.

Alternative facts 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He knows how to manipulate the cap. It also got him in trouble with doing it too much. I think player evaluation/draftng/free agent signings is far more important which separates GMs. From a pure salary cap only viewpoint I’m not sure he does anything better than anyone else. 

It isn't about just the economics of the cap, but how you invest the FINITE resources of draft capital and cap space.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I'm going to have to start to charge you for these lessons.

Did you just start speaking American vernacular?  

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He knows how to manipulate the cap. It also got him in trouble with doing it too much. I think player evaluation/draftng/free agent signings is far more important which separates GMs. From a pure salary cap only viewpoint I’m not sure he does anything better than anyone else. 

A lot of you act like he got himself in to trouble as if this just snuck up on him. 

I think that's silly.  You don't manage it as expertly a he did for so long and suddenly find yourself in this mess by accident. 

He knew what he was doing with the signing of old vets, and restructures kicking the can.  He was less cautious on purpose because he felt they could get to another super bowl,  and going for it is more important than winning the cap super bowl as millions of eagles fans had complained about with this team for so many years since the Joe Banner days,  into the Howie days. 

Now, he will clear these bad deals and go back to making smartly structured deals at great value as we rebuild.  That's what he has been known for since forever.  He hasn't forgot it. 

27 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

More importantly, why would Andy Reid care or why would anyone care what Andy Reid says or thinks about the Eagles.   Oh wait.  Nova said he was becoming a KC fan now.  So it makes sense he posted that.   

That's right.  I have the inside scoop on all things related to the Chiefs.  Ask away. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

That's a figure of speech.  Smh.  

Figure of speech.  I shouldn't need to put "imo" after every post.

Nope, its not a figure of speech.  WHen you say "The fact that... "  a fact needs to follow to which you can attach your opinion.

 

For example, "The fact that pre-2017 Howie was signing veteran players to short term low money deals, and that the post-2017 signings were longer in term and larger in total money, including intentional large DEAD cap hits, shows that Howie is no longer a good cap manager."

The facts are the actual signings before and after the Super Bowl, which are easily verifiable... and based upon these facts, I have formed my opinion about Howie's mismanagement.  I don't need to define which part is my opinion, because it is clear which parts are facts and which are opinion.

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Did you just start speaking American vernacular?  

Nope.  I just must have a much higher regard for the language than you.  Don't misrepresent opinion as fact, and things will go better.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope, its not a figure of speech.  WHen you say "The fact that... "  a fact needs to follow to which you can attach your opinion.

 

For example, "The fact that pre-2017 Howie was signing veteran players to short term low money deals, and that the post-2017 signings were longer in term and larger in total money, including intentional large DEAD cap hits, shows that Howie is no longer a good cap manager."

The facts are the actual signings before and after the Super Bowl, which are easily verifiable... and based upon these facts, I have formed my opinion about Howie's mismanagement.  I don't need to define which part is my opinion, because it is clear which parts are facts and which are opinion.

Wrong.  It absolutely can be used as a figure of speech in American vernacular and it's actually quite common....especially when it's "known" that the subject matter is opinion based....like 90% of the posts in this thread are. 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A lot of you act like he got himself in to trouble as if this just snuck up on him. 

I think that's silly.  You don't manage it as expertly a he did for so long and suddenly find yourself in this mess by accident. 

He knew what he was doing with the signing of old vets, and restructures kicking the can.  He was less cautious on purpose because he felt they could get to another super bowl,  and going for it is more important than winning the cap super bowl as millions of eagles fans had complained about with this team for so many years since the Joe Banner days,  into the Howie days. 

Now, he will clear these bad deals and go back to making smartly structured deals at great value as we rebuild.  That's what he has been known for since forever.  He hasn't forgot it. 

Of course, it didn't sneak up on him.  He rolled the dice that he could draft better young players to replace these players when their relly big dead cap hits come due, and that the cap would continue to rise every year.  He was wrong on both counts.  He hasn't drafted better players to fill in when these players' dead hits come due - Desean and Alshon are almost assuredly out, and the WR situation is as uncertain as its been since I can remember.  Greg Ward remains the most reliable option... Malik Jackson will be gone, and instead of a cheaper DT to fill in (Hassan Ridgeway would be a nice piece), we will have the giant contract of Javon Hargrave instead - a nicer player, certainly, but not a cap saving one, which is what they need to make up for these big dead cap hits that are coming.

Sometimes when you gamble, you lose.  Howie has lost, but rather than having to pay the penalty, Daddy just gave him a pat on the head and told him to do better next time.  

50 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

TWIW... Interesting listen on Adam schefter’s interview on 975. Says he would guess that doug doesn’t get a job this cycle. He might not want to coach this year part of his answer. Other part of his answer that building up QBs was supposed to be Doug’s forte and wentz regressed so it was a failure so some teams might be a little hesitant right now. 
 

Schefter says he guesses that Doug doesn't get a job this coaching cycle. So that must mean that he should be getting hired soon right? Lol

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A lot of you act like he got himself in to trouble as if this just snuck up on him. 

I think that's silly.  You don't manage it as expertly a he did for so long and suddenly find yourself in this mess by accident. 

He knew what he was doing with the signing of old vets, and restructures kicking the can.  He was less cautious on purpose because he felt they could get to another super bowl,  and going for it is more important than winning the cap super bowl as millions of eagles fans had complained about with this team for so many years since the Joe Banner days,  into the Howie days. 

Now, he will clear these bad deals and go back to making smartly structured deals at great value as we rebuild.  That's what he has been known for since forever.  He hasn't forgot it. 

I’ve always said his plan revolved around banking on a rising cap and the pandemic threw a wrench into those plans. I’ve also been on record saying theoretically the salary cap isn’t "real” which is why I think Howie isn’t some wizard. I just think people overrate the cap in general. 

54 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

TWIW... Interesting listen on Adam schefter’s interview on 975. Says he would guess that doug doesn’t get a job this cycle. He might not want to coach this year part of his answer. Other part of his answer that building up QBs was supposed to be Doug’s forte and wentz regressed so it was a failure so some teams might be a little hesitant right now. 
 

Fired late and he gets a paycheck whether her has a job or not. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sits this one out instead of scrambling for a job. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Wrong.  It absolutely can be used as a figure of speech in American vernacular and it's actually quite common....especially when it's "known" that the subject matter is opinion based....like 90% of the posts in this thread are. 

I don't have time to debate you on this.  Clearly, your presentation was lacking as multiple people mentioned that you claimed fact where it was opinion.  Sources are fun things to cite when you say something is a fact.  Logic courses are too.   You also put out the logical fallacy that a situation that you created in your own mind would verify this 'fact' you were touting.  If the Eagles don't hire someone from the Andy Reid tree, all that means is that they hired someone else.  Not that the whole Andy tree is shaking at the prospects of working for the Eagles.  It may be true, but it is in no way proof.  Proof would be if someone from the tree or Andy himself comes out and says it.  That seems highly unlikely, because that could end up burning some serious bridges, and not just with the Eagles, but potentially with other organizations that see that behavior and be turned off by it.  

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Fired late and he gets a paycheck whether her has a job or not. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sits this one out instead of scrambling for a job. 

With the covid situation, it would be smart to take the year off.  Doug could possibly even get a color commentary gig for one of the lower level games of the week on one of the networks.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't have time to debate you on this.  Clearly, your presentation was lacking as multiple people mentioned that you claimed fact where it was opinion.  Sources are fun things to cite when you say something is a fact.  Logic courses are too.   You also put out the logical fallacy that a situation that you created in your own mind would verify this 'fact' you were touting.  If the Eagles don't hire someone from the Andy Reid tree, all that means is that they hired someone else.  Not that the whole Andy tree is shaking at the prospects of working for the Eagles.  It may be true, but it is in no way proof.  Proof would be if someone from the tree or Andy himself comes out and says it.  That seems highly unlikely, because that could end up burning some serious bridges, and not just with the Eagles, but potentially with other organizations that see that behavior and be turned off by it.  

The source was Howard Eskin.  And knowing his history (that he usually backs the Eagles) and the fact that he came out and stated his disgust with the Eagles, then went on to say that no one from the Andy Reid tree would likely coach here led me to conclude that Andy Reid (and his coaches) were likely not pleased with the way things have been handled here.  And it doesn't take a genius to deduce that.

But unfortunately, It seems most around here don't have the logical capabilities to conclude something so obvious.  Apparently the logic courses are not working...I would ask for a refund.  

1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

With the covid situation, it would be smart to take the year off.  Doug could possibly even get a color commentary gig for one of the lower level games of the week on one of the networks.

You've heard Doug speak in public, right?   You might want to rethink that one.   

 

 

If I were Doug, I'd take the year off, watch from afar, find out if I still have the drive... and then either throw my hat back into the ring in the NFL, or even consider going back to high school coaching.  Frankly, there's a lot worse things he could be doing.  Maybe he could write another book... "All the things Howie got wrong, but blamed everyone else for..."   I know I'd be interested in reading that book.

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is that what the kids say these days?

Needs more hashtags 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You've heard Doug speak in public, right?   You might want to rethink that one.   

 

 

If I were Doug, I'd take the year off, watch from afar, find out if I still have the drive... and then either throw my hat back into the ring in the NFL, or even consider going back to high school coaching.  Frankly, there's a lot worse things he could be doing.  Maybe he could write another book... "All the things Howie got wrong, but blamed everyone else for..."   I know I'd be interested in reading that book.

Have you seen some of the color commentary guys that are getting gigs lately?  I don't think Doug could get a gig on the "A" or "B" teams. But, he could do less desirable games in a regional area or even college ball. Doug is likeable. I think his dopiness is more in press conferences.

 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Good talk. 

Same..always a pleasure.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We are not in the Cap hole because Howie didn’t know what he was doing with the Cap.  We are in the Cap hole because HE DRAFTED US THERE.  He extended and signed old washed WR’s, because he drafted the wrong WR’s.  He signed and/or kept old and washed up DE’s, because he drafted the wrong DE’s.  How many years did we keep bringing back Sproles because Howie drafted Pumphrey.  I know Sproles $ doesn’t count against the cap.  It’s just another example of how he F-ed this team by drafting like he has.  He threw too much money at a lot of players to fill holes that he created by being a terrible GM.  It’s sooooo Obvious!!!   But let’s give him another year.  

This is all gross exaggeration. Howie wasn't responsible for the 2014 and 2015 drafts which combined landed us Agholor, Rowe and Hicks in two years. Nor was he responsible for the coaches who misused Agholor and cut Rowe b/c they saw him as a CB, and didn't recognize his skills were better suited to safety.

2017:  Barnett at #14, Hooker S went #15, Humphrey CB #16, Allen DE (17.0 sacks) #17, Adoree Jackson CB #18, OJ Howard TE #19, Bolles OT #20 . .. McKinley DE #26 (17.5 sacks), #30 Watt OLB (49.5 sacks). Engram TE #23, Peppers S #25

The only players significantly better than Barnett were Humphrey and White CB #27. Otherwise you have a bunch of starters, but not the "All pros" people think are easy to find.

Sidney Jones t #43 is a disappointment, but the only solid starters after him, Mixon RB, #48, Tomlinson DT #55, Cunningham LB #57,  Simth-Schuster WR #62, Dawkins G #63, Moton G #64, Ogunjobi DT #65, Kamara RB #67, Kupp WR #69. a lot of misses.

Players clearly better than Douglas, Connor RB #105, Jackson S #112, Cohen RB #119, Ebukam OLB #125

2018: Goedert #49, really no better pick, Sweat #130, Pryor #206, only Bozeman C #215, Mailata #233, no one close

2019:  Dillard #22, Marcus Brown W #25, Montez Sweat DE #26, McGary T #31, Taylor T #35, but if Dillard starts at LT next year, who knows the best pick?

Sanders #53 is fine, JJAW #57 is a whiff so far. But Campbell WR #59, isabella WR #62 aren't much to write home about compared to Metcalf, D Johnson WR #66, McLaurin WR #76.

The drafting wasn't awful as claimed, some opportunities were missed, Jones was a gamble that didn't work out, Dillard was just bad luck in year 2.

But of those five drafts, Wentz, Barnett, Seumalo, Mills, Goedert, Mailata, Sanders, Reagor were starting for the Eagles, Sweat, Maddox, Hurts, Wallace, Driscoll were reserves, while Vaitai, Douglas, Jones started for other teams. Wentz has made the pro bowl, Mailata is a good bet to do so at some point, Dillard, Sanders, Goedert and Reagor have a lot of upside. While as a whole not great drafting, nor is it bad drafting, people just have ridiculous expectations.

If Howie can repeat 2012, 2013, or 2016, the Eagles will be just fine.