18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He’s the same age as Jeudy and Ruggs, who played ahead of him and were drafted later than he’ll go this year.  Both were also sturdier and faster. 
 

I see zero value for Smith top 10 personally.

Smith is better than both of them.

Ruggs might be faster but I dont think Jeudy is.  Regardless, Smith is more skilled than both.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I wish I could ask Lurie just one question when he does his offseason "state of the Eagles."  Will you keep Howie Roseman as your GM no matter how bad things get?

That's all that needs to be asked.  Obviously, you won't get a meaningful answer.  But it's just a nice little shot across the bow to the owner.

He would state because Howie came back in 2017 and proved he could win a Super Bowl.  This organization is still basking in the 2017 Super Bowl. Howie even mentioned the Super Bowl roster today in his press conference. It's time they stop referring to it and stop comparing rosters to 2017.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I saw we trade down an draft Jaylen Waddle.  

 

#Jalenfactory

I actually would love to trade down and draft Waddle.  I know you are being sarcastic, but that would be my plan A.

Waddle is the most explosive playmaker in this draft.  That includes Chase and Smith.  And of those 3, he's the only one who actually has the chance to be drafted in a value spot...ie not drafting a 6' WR inside the top 10.

He's young and he will presumably still be good once we find a franchise QB.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I want to say caplan or mosher talked about that’s the no. 1 thing doug loves to do is call plays. It’s probably the thing he loves the most about his job. 

Then I don't know how tomorrows meeting goes over well. We were 4-11-1 with you calling plays Doug, our offense is vanilla while half the league is out there scoring 20+ points each week, matter of fact the way the NFL is setup these days, scoring anything less than 14-17 ppg is crazy because of the players. 

Lurie can easily challenge Doug and his offense, if Doug doesn't like it then he can choose to leave. But If I'm Lurie, we don't leave that meeting tomorrow unless you agree to hire an OC. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Smith is better than both of them.

Ruggs might be faster but I dont think Jeudy is.  Regardless, Smith is more skilled than both.

Imagine what they'd have done in Alabama's offense this year instead of the NFL.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think Goedert would ever get a 2, let alone a 2 and change.  He's injury prone, a really good blocker, and has never been a prolific receiver, only projection.

He's only missed 6 games in his career but he does seem injury prone, I'm not sure why so I agree with you there.  However, Hayden Hurst was traded, along with a 4th for a 2nd and a 5th.  I think the Eagles could easily swing DG and a 5th for a 2nd and  4th based on his production compared to Hurst.

 

DG-

2018: 33 catches 334 yards, 4 TD's

2019: 58 catches, 607 yards, 5 TD's

 

Hayden Hurst-

2018: 13 catches, 163 yards, 1 TD

2019: 30 catches, 349 yards, 2 TD

1 hour ago, aptosbird said:

I highly doubt the Eagles go WR again in the first, especially in the top 10...they need to grab the top OT, DL, CB for the rebuild or as a  consolation, pick up an extra pick and grab the best IOL.

You know I'm never averse to draftingt a good O lineman. However, we can expect Mailata, Dillard, Lane, and Brooks to be back. Driscoll too. I believe we are desperate on the defensive side, though, so I'm looking DL (particularly DE) and CB, and a little later, LB and S. Of course, if Sewell is there, I'm taking him.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This is a dilemma. Does Doug give up play calling? If not, nothing is gonna change. They won’t attract any good names for OC. It’s what happened last offseason.

If he does, then I don’t understand why he would even wanna be here any longer because they’d have taken the last remaining power he had.

And also if an OC comes here and turns the offense around, he’s gonna get poached in a year.

This is exactly why they need to move on from Doug. Get an up and coming OC from around the league or even college. Although then the problem would be whether that person would want to work for Howie. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

He's only missed 6 games in his career but he does seem injury prone, I'm not sure why so I agree with you there.  However, Hayden Hurst was traded, along with a 4th for a 2nd and a 5th.  I think the Eagles could easily swing DG and a 5th for a 2nd and  4th based on his production compared to Hurst.

 

DG-

2018: 33 catches 334 yards, 4 TD's

2019: 58 catches, 607 yards, 5 TD's

 

Hayden Hurst-

2018: 13 catches, 163 yards, 1 TD

2019: 30 catches, 349 yards, 2 TD

Thats a great comp...I can't argue with Goedert vs. Hurst...All I can say is that Hurst trade was horrible and we can only hope that set a price rather than leaving other NFL teams laughing at the prospect of making the same mistake.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I've made it more than halfway through Black Monday (first monday in the new year during an economic downturn) and I am still employed.  Even spoke with my boss a few times.......Even found out, we are acquiring another company and are in talks with one other.  

Sounds like you are going to survive too then.  Congrats to you.

 

I still want Howie and Doug out.   I'll settle for a reprise from last year when on Monday, Groh and Walch were safe, then on Tuesday, they were gone.   We could do that this year with Howie and Doug.  I'm fine with that.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the Eagles would be better off keeping Goedert, and trading Hurts for that 2nd and 4th.  Trade Ertz for a 4th (if there’s even still a market), no problem with trading down to 10-12 but it would be to draft whichever of Surtain/Farley is still on the board at CB 

Then if the Eagles had 3 2nd round picks they could draft a safety, another CB, and a WR.  Rebuild your secondary with three top-60 players 

Part of why I suggest Goedert is because he is going to command a top 5 contract.  He's either going to walk because the Eagles can't afford him or they pay top dollar for a tight end when they have so many other glaring needs.

I would be happy with either Surtain or Farley but I think watching Darren Waller in LV was special.  Pitts is twice the athlete he is.  Investing in CB that high when the league clearly favors the offense is a bit concerning for me too.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  But, now you roll into 2022 with a rookie QB and garbage around him, having likely wasted a top 10 pick and a top 40 pick in the 2021 draft.  And you pushed money from 2021 to 2022, so now you can't even spend as much in free agency as you likely could have if you ripped the band-aid off right away this offseason and taken the really hard lumps in 2021, so that 2022 is a rebound year.   Instead, 2022 turns into a deeper hole yet.   Or, what if it just doesn't quite work, but they manage to be 6-10 instead of 2-14 or 3-13... bad enough to fire Doug, but not bad enough to be perfectly aligned to get that top QB prospect.

 

Keeping Doug and Howie around for 2021 just looks like this to me...

Frustration will do that.

I don’t disagree with you about 2021. However i think 2023 which is really 2 seasons and 3 off seasons away is enough time to get there even if 2021 is bad. If 2021 is bad it’s better than being average cause you know doug would be gone and they’d once against have top picks in each round. I think 2023 is reasonable to assume they could get back to being where they want to be. i think 2024 would mean the new guys (coach and front office guys) who came in screwed up his first two seasons in terms of moves and drafts. I believe it should take you 2-3 years in the nfl to rebuild  if you are exceeding that means multiple people have screwed up as you likely fired and hired multiple people if it goes longer than that 

 

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You know I'm never averse to draftingt a good O lineman. However, we can expect Mailata, Dillard, Lane, and Brooks to be back. Driscoll too. I believe we are desperate on the defensive side, though, so I'm looking DL (particularly DE) and CB, and a little later, LB and S. Of course, if Sewell is there, I'm taking him.

I don't think there is a DL worthy of a top twenty pick, let alone a top 6 pick.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

There real question is.  What team below is, needs a QB and is Zach Wilson that guy?  Because if there are multiple teams, then you start taking the calls now!

Way too early to get into draft scenarios but you know Trevor and Fields are going 1-2. 

Miami holds #3 with Atlanta right behind them most likely looking for a QB because they are in rebuild mode/new coach/new GM

I could see 3 QB's going top 5 easy. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

There real question is.  What team below is, needs a QB and is Zach Wilson that guy?  Because if there are multiple teams, then you start taking the calls now!

That team might be us

1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

That team might be us

Howie has said Wentz is staying so I don't see it. 

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

My concern is the 175 pounds.  Can he add weight and not lose speed.  Can he hold up at that weight as a #1 ??

If he is there I take him without a blink of an eye

I don't think hes ever missed a game due to injury.  And this is playing for 4 years in the SEC.  And the guy has just non stop produced, as the #1, #2, #3 option, at every receiver position, with and without stud receivers in the lineup with him, on the biggest stages, etc.

All the skill you want: route running, his 40 will be faster than most expect, his breaks are good, his route running is elite, he gets off a jam.  And hes no diva, just a football player.

All the boxes are emphatically checked with this guy except his weight which is probably the least important thing considering it hasnt hindered him at all

 

6 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

Then I don't know how tomorrows meeting goes over well. We were 4-11-1 with you calling plays Doug, our offense is vanilla while half the league is out there scoring 20+ points each week, matter of fact the way the NFL is setup these days, scoring anything less than 14-17 ppg is crazy because of the players. 

Lurie can easily challenge Doug and his offense, if Doug doesn't like it then he can choose to leave. But If I'm Lurie, we don't leave that meeting tomorrow unless you agree to hire an OC. 

Hard to hire a good OC or one who’s highly sought after if you don’t allow him to call the plays. I can’t see one taking the job without having that ability.

i tend to think doug likely believes he can find another job that will allow him to do that. In fact I’d bet some team would hire him and allow him to do that. It’s why i said the only way i see doug leaving before the end of 2021 is if he does so on his own accord cause he feels like the eagles took away the thing he loves the most and has no control over his offense 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Howie has said Wentz is staying so I don't see it. 

Is this one of those instances where sarcasm doesn't translate over a computer?

Just now, Giddyunc said:

Is this one of those instances where sarcasm doesn't translate over a computer?

No no I'm not being sarcastic that's what Howie has said. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Uhhh..   Where the heck have you been?  It's not too early to get into draft scenarios?  What would you us rather do?  Talk about Nate Gerry?

😂😂😂😂😂pleasedontmakeustalkaboutnategerry😂😂😂😂😂

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Drafting a TE that high when we have more valuable needs would be the most Howie thing to do.  

You wouldn't HAVE to draft Pitts if you trade DG, I just LOVE his game.  The guy is a freakish athlete.  He's also a Philly guy, not that it matters.  He would be such a matchup nightmare.  

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Howie has said Wentz is staying so I don't see it. 

He had to. He wasn't going to come out and say yes Carson is available for trade, then we look desperate.

As much as people are saying we have the leverage because he is still under contract, I get that technical part, but the most logical thing to do is trade him if the relationship isn't repairable. It happens to teams every year. Look what happened with LeVeon Bell, Antonio Brown.......the drama and headache wouldn't have been worth keeping them around. 

Why hang on to Wentz just to piss him off while were trying to "rebuild".........if the grand decision is to trade him then wait until the offseason and start making calls. Get him outta here. 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I've made it more than halfway through Black Monday (first monday in the new year during an economic downturn) and I am still employed.  Even spoke with my boss a few times.......Even found out, we are acquiring another company and are in talks with one other.  

All good stuff.

Similar for me. not only am i still employed, we kept everyone and paid people who didnt have work, laid no one off even though we had about 50% of business for 3 months, ended up hiring 6 more people, and all 45 of us got $1,000 surprise Christmas bonus. 

I work for a generous man!

 

Let's not overthink it with Smith, we did that with Jefferson.

Chase should be the #1 choice, but if he isn't available, pick Smith and don't look back.