Jerod Mayo? Lol no wtf is this nonsense 

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Don't tell this to Afan.

Actually, there quite a few people here who thought (and argued) the exact same things for Raegor against Jefferson. 

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Don't tell this to Afan.

You mean Lowie? 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

The beauty of Ja'Marr Chase is that he's as safe as you're going to get.

If he wasn't a full year removed from the game, and had more than 1 year of production, I would agree with you 100%.   In fact, I said this time last year, that he would have been the top rated WR in last year's draft.   

 

I guess I'm just gun shy about any WR drafted by this team now.   Its almost guaranteed to be the wrong guy, no matter who they grab.  Howie needs to start going with the George Costanza plan. 

3 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Actually, there quite a few people here who thought (and argued) the exact same things for Raegor against Jefferson. 

And there were some who were very clear that Jefferson was the better pick.   I'm not naming names though...

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9 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Actually, there quite a few people here who thought (and argued) the exact same things for Raegor against Jefferson. 

I was one of them. In my defense, I did not have a tenth of the information that Howie had.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Howie's draft failures extend well beyond the Jefferson-versus-Reagor decision.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If he wasn't a full year removed from the game, and had more than 1 year of production, I would agree with you 100%.   In fact, I said this time last year, that he would have been the top rated WR in last year's draft.   

 

I guess I'm just gun shy about any WR drafted by this team now.   Its almost guaranteed to be the wrong guy, no matter who they grab.  Howie needs to start going with the George Costanza plan. 

Agreed, it's why I would rather they draft who/what they are good at. They do a decent job drafting Lineman. We will likely need a Center, LG and RT moving fwd at some point. Or a DT/DE to replace Cox & or Graham.  Take the best player avail at those positions. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree with you on that.   But, this is what happens to a fan base that has suffered through bad WR pick after bad WR pick.  

Freddie Mitchell over Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Chris Chambers + others
JJAW over Metcalf/Slayton/McLaurin
Reagor over Jefferson/Aiyuk/Higgins/Claypool/etc.  

Jordan Matthews over Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry + a couple of others

 

I want a trade back as the move from #6.   But, I also don't want Howie making these picks... There's going to be a lot of WRs in this draft that can step right in and help a team... sadly, the Eagles will not get one of them.  The one constant over this time is that Howie wouldn't know a good WR if it fell on to his roster by accident.  

I agree with you of course, just have to edit this to include the above.....

Just now, John_C said:

I agree with you of course, just have to edit this to include the above.....

Yup.  I was going to add more... then it started to depress me too much, so I stopped.

It’s Sal pal so TWIW but i have always thought Riley wasn’t going to leave Oklahoma and also surprised Dallas really didn’t go hard after him last year

 

IMO, the Eagles can follow the KISS method

Bring back Carson, draft either Chase or Smith.  Having Sanders, Reagor, Chase/Smith, Goedert, thats a legit NFL group.  We dont need to make 100 moves to put am acceptable product on the field for 2021.

Thats one pick and literally no other moves.  Use the remaining resources to try and rebuild the OL and defense.

The turnaround can very quick, maybe even  year.   

Just now, John_C said:

I agree with you of course, just have to edit this to include the above.....

Pinkston over Porter

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I was not sold on Jefferson.  But was sold on him more than Reagor.  I wanted Lamb....that's pretty known by now.  

That's how I was.  I thought and still think they should have done whatever they could to get Lamb.  Based on Jeff's comments they just got unlucky that Dallas took the player they wanted and that's the way the cookie crumbled.  They did a great job scouting Lamb so they get credit for that!

50 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It is the product of being deprived of WRs for so long... 

 

Go back to the Andy Reid era... Torrence Small, Charles Johnson, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, James Thrash, Kevin Curtis, Dante Stallworth, there was that one year with this fella named Owens...  then we got Desean and Maclin for a brief period... then back to the likes of Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff, Nelson Agholor (the bad version)... with a brief respite of Torry Smith, good Alshon and good Agholor... immediately followed by Mike Wallace, then old and busted Desean Jackson, bad Alshon, bad Agholor, Robert Davis, Deontay Burnett, and the great Greg Ward.  Over 20 years and that is the WR corps we have to show for it.

 

Great... now I'm depressed.

Kevin curtis had a 1200 yard season, Thrash wasn't bad just looked worse as he was miscast as the number 1, he stays a slot where he belongs and eagles fans probably love him.

Stallworth wasn't bad either only here for a year.

If one is going to include torrey Smith as a respite then one has to include Pinkston as the same as they both filled the same roles and had similar production with eagles.

 

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I was not sold on Jefferson.  But was sold on him more than Reagor.  I wanted Lamb....that's pretty known by now.  

I was all-in on Lamb, but my opinion was that Reagor would be the pick if the Eagles didn't trade. I would have given up the 2nd round pick, as crazy as it sounds, to get Lamb and keep him away from Dallas.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's how I was.  I thought and still think they should have done whatever they could to get Lamb.  Based on Jeff's comments they just got unlucky that Dallas took the player they wanted and that's the way the cookie crumbled.  They did a great job scouting Lamb so they get credit for that!

You have to be prepared for that though don't you? Like, should you not be ready for that scenario? "If this happens, here is exactly what we do". Just because the player they really wanted gets picked the pick before, doesn't excuse them from missing on Reagor over Jefferson, Ayuk, Higgins and Claypool. It's like they had one guy they scouted correctly, and the rest ? Meh....  No!  

 

2 minutes ago, metal said:

I was all-in on Lamb, but my opinion was that Reagor would be the pick. I would have given up the 2nd round pick, as crazy as it sounds, to get Lamb and keep him away from Dallas.

If we would have done that, we would be light years ahead of where we are now. Hurts was a wasted pick anyway. Lamb is clearly head and shoulders above Reagor/Hurts combined. 

Just now, Utebird said:

Kevin curtis had a 1200 yard season, Thrash wasn't bad just looked worse as he was miscast as the number 1, he stays a slot where he belongs and eagles fans probably love him.

Stallworth wasn't bad either only here for a year.

If one is going to include torrey Smith as a respite then one has to include Pinkston as the same as they both filled the same roles and had similar production with eagles.

 

Torry Smith was not included solely, but as part of the trio of Smith, good Alshon and good Nelson.   It wasn't that any one of them was amazing, but as a group, they were very good.

42 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Yeah, I'm not sure where these fans think Howie will draft a WR in the top 10. He just doesn't do that. He drafts Lineman, O&D in the top 10 or QB. Anyone hoping he drafts a WR that high, are just setting themselves up for disappointment.  Yet again. 

SO either we find a great Oline, or Dlineman, a QB, or we trade back between 9-15 pickup a pick and then draft a Oline or Dlineman. 

In that case it's OL or QB then because this DL class is barren, the best defensive player in the draft is Micah parsons LB penn St and we all know howie isn't drafting a LB top 10

Chip Kelly was happy at Oregon too.

This was on January 6, 2013.

 

10 days later.

 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

You have to be prepared for that though don't you? Like, should you not be ready for that scenario? "If this happens, here is exactly what we do". Just because the player they really wanted gets picked the pick before, doesn't excuse them from missing on Reagor over Jefferson, Ayuk, Higgins and Claypool. It's like they had one guy they scouted correctly, and the rest ? Meh....  No!  

 

Yes.   That's like the coach saying, 'we had the perfect play call if the defense lined up in the right formation, but the defense against us wouldn't cooperate with our plans, so we ended up with a loss of yards instead of a touchdown.'  What can you do? 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Torry Smith was not included solely, but as part of the trio of Smith, good Alshon and good Nelson.   It wasn't that any one of them was amazing, but as a group, they were very good.

True, I think 2002 group of thrash Pinkston and freeman was good. 

Not good enough but not bad.

Ouch...

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s Sal pal so TWIW but i have always thought Riley wasn’t going tk leave Oklahoma and also surprised Dallas really didn’t go hard after him last year

 

The owner will break out his checkbook to save face.  He has probably already planned on it.  He looks like an idiot to the entire league community and he can't possibly not know that.  Now it's been exposed that he has been meddling his ass off and has his hands in this most precipitous decline of an SB winner in recent memory.  He's going to try to spend his way out of it, citing how "aggressive" and innovative" he is and offering the same non-sensical justifications for keeping his lackey GM.  I'd rather have Actual Jerry Jones, instead of Faux Jerry Jones, at least he will have a weekly radio spot and take full accountability for his decisions.  This guy needs to create scapegoats and play with the team like it is his 7th grade classroom, causing palace intrigue with new buzzwords he picks up at the combine and league meeting every year and pitting people against each other.  Always overcompensating for the PRIOR mistake, but of course "innovative."  Always coveting what another franchise has done, wanting to be "ahead of the curve," without the context to even understand what it is, how it was implemented or why it worked.  

The ONLY path forward for the owner, and the Eagles will remain on this trajectory until he does this, is to hire a real President of football operations and cede all control to him.  Be in the draft room, have your weekly meetings, whatever you need to do for your own ego, but until he empowers an actual adult to make decisions this team is going to remain on a downhill trajectory.

Regarding Riley or most college coaches, a guy making "$6.5 Million/year" with a job he likes will indeed take the Eagles job if they offer 10-12 million/year.  Always works the same way.  Of course from a negotiating standpoint when you are in demand you want to be "happy where you are at..."

I expect him to overpay for some name coach.  If he fails at even that, I expect some "out of the box thinking" idiot hire, like Jerod Mayo (nothing against him personally, just obvious he is unlikely to be ready for that job yet).

It won't matter who these clowns hire.  Use the Parcells analogy.  If you take a job as the chef in a nice restaurant, and you are forced to cook with a bunch of frozen crap, your food is not going to be great regardless of your culinary expertise.

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

IMO, the Eagles can follow the KISS method

Bring back Carson, draft either Chase or Smith.  Having Sanders, Reagor, Chase/Smith, Goedert, thats a legit NFL group.  We dont need to make 100 moves to put am acceptable product on the field for 2021.

Thats one pick and literally no other moves.  Use the remaining resources to try and rebuild the OL and defense.

The turnaround can very quick, maybe even  year.   

The turnaround would be even quicker if they added another quality RB to Sanders and ran the ball enough to have some balance.

Never thought I'd say this but take a page from the Cleveland Browns.