26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In today’s NFL you don’t have to have a great defense. Would be awesome if they did. You just have to get turnovers and be opportunistic. To me that’s been the Eagles biggest problem on defense. Since the Super Bowl year it has really regressed in that area. 

Agree.  The current and future NFL is an O driven league, especially in the passing game.  The rules favour the WRs over the DBs so the time of the lockdown CB and shutdown D is practically at an end.  The 2 things you should want from your team's D is 1-They are stingy in the RZ and hold the opponent to FGs instead of TDs, and 2-They are good at creating TOs.  If you can build a D to do those 2 things consistently well (this would require a scheme and then drafting the players who best fit that scheme, something the Eagles seem to not yet have picked up on for some reason) and pair it with a top tier O that is capable of putting up points then that's the recipe for a SB contender in today's NFL. 

I also agree with you that I'd rather they hire an O minded coach so the team's O will stay consistent year to year instead of trying to find a good OC every 2-3 years who leaves for a HC job.  The O side of the ball is slightly more important than the D side now, so do what you can to ensure that your team will be one of the best O teams in the League consistently.  An O HC can teach the OC and QB coach enough of his schemes and philosophies so they can do their jobs properly (they can also share their own ideas, so 2 way street), but ultimately those schemes/philosophies stay with him so should the OC leave for a HC job an/or the QBC leave for an OC job then the knowledge of the O stays with the HC to share with another OC/QBC and your team's O should not miss a beat during a change over of O coaches.  Because of this I think it's possible that in the future you'll see more DCs staying longer with a team due to more HC opportunities for OCs than DCs so should be easier to find and keep a good DC than a good OC.

 

20 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It'll be fun to see how fast they fall once Brees hangs it up. I really hate that team. 

With all the draft picks they kept dealing it’s going to be bad. They have talent on defense and offense but they also have traded a ton of picks away 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

No chance, but would be a home run hire.

Joe banner last year said he and rhule would be the two guys he’d go after if he was doing a coaching search. I’m doubting he comes here with everything that happened with chip and supposedly that was his mentor 

11 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Riley wanting to stay at Oklahoma is about as predictable as it gets. Maybe this turns into a Chip Kelly situation where it's a no for weeks that suddenly turns into a yes, but I highly, highly doubt it.

Just please whoever it is, let that guy be youngish with creativity and upside.

CHIP had a great incentive no body knew for wanting to leave all of the sudden. I doubt Lincoln Riley will have the same incentive to change his mind, unless there are unknown sanctions soon coming.  

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I don't think the Eagles have "weeks" to clean up this P.R. mess.  IMO, they need to hire a coach ASAP.

that is not the Jeff Lurie way. He will take weeks. He doesn't do anything quickly. 

 

Gross 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

that is not the Jeff Lurie way. He will take weeks. He doesn't do anything quickly. 

How long did it take them to hire Chip Kelly after Reid left?  How long did it take them to hire Pederson after the 2014 season?  (Honest question, I don't actually recall).

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

At least you were hopeful going into last year. I was at the point of where you are now last off-season. The Eagles have set themselves up so poorly due to bad drafting and bad contracts. This isn’t going to be a quick rebuild. I think that’s also a smaller part of the reason why Doug wanted out. He didn’t want to sit through a rebuild and wanted to win immediately and the Eagles if you look at them aren’t in that position. Unless Carson Wentz or Jalen hurts plays like an MVP next year the likelihood is they’re going to be bad next year and the following year it might not be that much better

Not really.  I had the Eagles at 6 or 7 wins before the season.  My final record prediction was 6-10.  I've also noticed the problems and decline before now....

I think Doug wanted to be here, but as has been reported he wasn't going to allow these clowns to make every decision for him, down to his own offensive coaching staff, as he did last year.  He sees that his voice should count every bit as much as theirs, or more, and if they don't trust him at all then why continue?

 

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hot take of the day. 

I'd take Adam Gase on as a QB Coach/Passing game manager depending on the Head Coach and the OC. 

That is a hot take.  

17 minutes ago, phil77 said:

We are supposed to interview Saleh today correct? 

I haven’t seen that anywhere, just that they asked for permission. As for Saleh, he stayed overnight and his interview with the Jets is going into its second day which is usually a sign they are negotiating 

There's no quick turnaround for this team. Have to build up the roster first, a few blue chip players won't make you a winner or Detroit and Cleveland would have been in the playoffs every year. Far too much age on this team, a lot of guys who won't be here in two years when the turnaround arrives:  Desean, Kelce, Curry, Graham, Lane, Cox (unless he renegotiates at 33), Ertz, Malik, Jeffrey, Slay. By the 2023 offseason, Eagles may have $50+M cap room to play with.

That being said, start by fixing the OL and offensive skill people, you'll lose games 40-30 but it'll be fun, and you can develop Wentz or Hurts as your starting QB (after watching Lawrence and Fields, meh, athletes aren't QBs, they're as big or bigger gambles as what we already have).

Then audition lots of fast inexperienced defensive players, a lot will stink out the joint, some will surprise. You're not looking for stars, just a few solid starters and depth guys to complement the couple stars you pick up in the draft and FA down the road.

2022 draft, once the offense is built up, start shifting toward defense, 2023 heavy defense and sign a couple FAs to fill out the defense. Then make some noise.

I have no problem living through two losing seasons if I'm watching a lot of young talented players learn on the job, worked for the Sixers and Flyers.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

There's no quick turnaround for this team. Have to build up the roster first, a few blue chip players won't make you a winner or Detroit and Cleveland would have been in the playoffs every year. Far too much age on this team, a lot of guys who won't be here in two years when the turnaround arrives:  Desean, Kelce, Curry, Graham, Lane, Cox (unless he renegotiates at 33), Ertz, Malik, Jeffrey, Slay. By the 2023 offseason, Eagles may have $50+M cap room to play with.

That being said, start by fixing the OL and offensive skill people, you'll lose games 40-30 but it'll be fun, and you can develop Wentz or Hurts as your starting QB (after watching Lawrence and Fields, meh, athletes aren't QBs, they're as big or bigger gambles as what we already have).

Then audition lots of fast inexperienced defensive players, a lot will stink out the joint, some will surprise. You're not looking for stars, just a few solid starters and depth guys to complement the couple stars you pick up in the draft and FA down the road.

2022 draft, once the offense is built up, start shifting toward defense, 2023 heavy defense and sign a couple FAs to fill out the defense. Then make some noise.

I have no problem living through two losing seasons if I'm watching a lot of young talented players learn on the job, worked for the Sixers and Flyers.

Who is going to pick all these young, talented players?

Just now, austinfan said:

There's no quick turnaround for this team. Have to build up the roster first, a few blue chip players won't make you a winner or Detroit and Cleveland would have been in the playoffs every year. Far too much age on this team, a lot of guys who won't be here in two years when the turnaround arrives:  Desean, Kelce, Curry, Graham, Lane, Cox (unless he renegotiates at 33), Ertz, Malik, Jeffrey, Slay. By the 2023 offseason, Eagles may have $50+M cap room to play with.

That being said, start by fixing the OL and offensive skill people, you'll lose games 40-30 but it'll be fun, and you can develop Wentz or Hurts as your starting QB (after watching Lawrence and Fields, meh, athletes aren't QBs, they're as big or bigger gambles as what we already have).

Then audition lots of fast inexperienced defensive players, a lot will stink out the joint, some will surprise. You're not looking for stars, just a few solid starters and depth guys to complement the couple stars you pick up in the draft and FA down the road.

2022 draft, once the offense is built up, start shifting toward defense, 2023 heavy defense and sign a couple FAs to fill out the defense. Then make some noise.

I have no problem living through two losing seasons if I'm watching a lot of young talented players learn on the job, worked for the Sixers and Flyers.

Good thing we have a GM who constantly defers to others despite always being right. I hope the next coach is good at talent evaluation since the five future GMs in our front office apparently can’t make those decisions. 

7 minutes ago, John_C said:

Not really.  I had the Eagles at 6 or 7 wins before the season.  My final record prediction was 6-10.  I've also noticed the problems and decline before now....

I think Doug wanted to be here, but as has been reported he wasn't going to allow these clowns to make every decision for him, down to his own offensive coaching staff, as he did last year.  He sees that his voice should count every bit as much as theirs, or more, and if they don't trust him at all then why continue?

I do think that as well with doug on wanting more power. I also kind of think he saw the decline of this team along with that he was perfectly fine walking away before his name got dragged through the mud even more than it already was 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

How long did it take them to hire Chip Kelly after Reid left?  How long did it take them to hire Pederson after the 2014 season?  (Honest question, I don't actually recall).

Chip Kelly felt relatively quick because he was clearly their top choice.  It was still about 10 days after Reid was let go.  It seemed like it took longer for Pederson because he wasn't thought to be their top choice.  Also Chip was fired with a week left in the season so that made it feel longer.  

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

Not really.  I had the Eagles at 6 or 7 wins before the season.  My final record prediction was 6-10.  I've also noticed the problems and decline before now....

I think Doug wanted to be here, but as has been reported he wasn't going to allow these clowns to make every decision for him, down to his own offensive coaching staff, as he did last year.  He sees that his voice should count every bit as much as theirs, or more, and if they don't trust him at all then why continue?

His voice did count, which is why he's gone. You think all those personnel moves were made without his input?

When the scouts say the coaches overruled their advice, who do you think they were referring to?

Name one assistant developed by Pederson? Compare to AR.

I think Pederson is a great clubhouse coach, and if I had a playoff caliber team that was being held back by a martinet hated by his players, I'd consider Pederson as HC for a fast rebound.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There's no quick turnaround for this team. Have to build up the roster first, a few blue chip players won't make you a winner or Detroit and Cleveland would have been in the playoffs every year. Far too much age on this team, a lot of guys who won't be here in two years when the turnaround arrives:  Desean, Kelce, Curry, Graham, Lane, Cox (unless he renegotiates at 33), Ertz, Malik, Jeffrey, Slay. By the 2023 offseason, Eagles may have $50+M cap room to play with.

That being said, start by fixing the OL and offensive skill people, you'll lose games 40-30 but it'll be fun, and you can develop Wentz or Hurts as your starting QB (after watching Lawrence and Fields, meh, athletes aren't QBs, they're as big or bigger gambles as what we already have).

Then audition lots of fast inexperienced defensive players, a lot will stink out the joint, some will surprise. You're not looking for stars, just a few solid starters and depth guys to complement the couple stars you pick up in the draft and FA down the road.

2022 draft, once the offense is built up, start shifting toward defense, 2023 heavy defense and sign a couple FAs to fill out the defense. Then make some noise.

I have no problem living through two losing seasons if I'm watching a lot of young talented players learn on the job, worked for the Sixers and Flyers.

So if that's the case, what happens with Wentz, in your opinion?

 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Who is going to pick all these young, talented players?

All the teams drafting before Howie 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Who is going to pick all these young, talented players?

The same guy who built the SB team with his 2012, 2013, and 2016 drafts, finding hidden gems and his FA acquisitions.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Chip Kelly felt relatively quick because he was clearly their top choice.  It was still about 10 days after Reid was let go.  It seemed like it took longer for Pederson because he wasn't thought to be their top choice.  Also Chip was fired with a week left in the season so that made it feel longer.  

Doug was hired Feb 5th I believe. It was awhile and they had to wait for the Chiefs to be eliminated 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The same guy who built the SB team with his 2012, 2013, and 2016 drafts, finding hidden gems and his FA acquisitions.

Isn’t he the same guy who torpedoed the roster with disastrous drafts and FA moves? 

Never mind, that was because Doug and Schwartz picked the wrong guys. 

8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thanks for that bud. In that case... Damn he will very likely be coming back. 

Lol it has been said so much but because you've been stuck on trading Wentz I guess you ignored it

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Wow that is detailed

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Rather the HC hires his DC

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Would be an incredible get for Detroit.

And we're stuck with Howie

Disgusting 

28 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hot take of the day. 

I'd take Adam Gase on as a QB Coach/Passing game manager depending on the Head Coach and the OC. 

What is wrong with you?

 

 

"Now you've got Jalen Hurts, who you might've alienated. You've got Carson, who might feel alienated. And you've got a training camp an an OTA with a new coach, whoever that is, and a job that a lot of guys might not want to take. You're $60 mil over the cap, your roster's aging. And the guy who won a Super Bowl and there's a statue of him outside the stadium? He left because, in part, he wanted more control. 

"If I'm a coach, a really good coach who's got clout, do I want to go into a situation where a guy just left, who won them a Super Bowl in franchise history, [because he] wanted more control?"