1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Anyone can interview the first week. Daboll interviewed as well. After that you have to wait until they are eliminated.

Score one for the Eagles in being late to the game.  But Lurie says they are in no rush and have the advantage of signing a head coach last....seriously, the billion dollar owner said that.

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

His voice did count, which is why he's gone. You think all those personnel moves were made without his input?

When the scouts say the coaches overruled their advice, who do you think they were referring to?

Name one assistant developed by Pederson? Compare to AR.

I think Pederson is a great clubhouse coach, and if I had a playoff caliber team that was being held back by a martinet hated by his players, I'd consider Pederson as HC for a fast rebound.

While it may be convenient, it is absolute fantasy to blame Doug Peterson for the disastrous draft record here.  Sure, he had "input" - but his voice most certainly did NOT count.  The entire "collaborative approach" BS is just that.  It's an enablement scheme for owner meddling.  It certainly has not lead to optimal decision making.

*** Again, when a head coach from the offensive side of the ball, and play caller, is not even ALLOWED TO PICK HIS OWN OFFENSIVE COACHING STAFF, how can you POSSIBLY try to allege he had any meaningful input, no less responsibility, for the draft picks? ***

They humiliated this coach after last year and forced him to fire coaches he wanted to keep as well as hire guys from systems they coveted.  You have LOWIE sitting there with Patch, Weidl, Donohoe and others, and you think they defer to Doug when on the clock?  Please.  

You are a very smart guy, please apply logic here, not fantasy.  It's nice to think that Doug was the issue, and now things will be better.  In regard to personnel, he wasn't, and they won't.

I tend to *mostly* believe the information reported by McLane on some of the recent picks.  Eskin has some additional color that could have some validity.  

Bottom line, the general manager, along with meddling Faux Jerry Jones owner, are absolutely accountable for the current roster, the draft picks, the trades, the free agent signings and the state of the salary cap.  Failure across the board.  But can't wait to stick a new coach in there, should solve everything.  No worries.

just food for thought...the NBA has recently started hiring ex players with little coaching experience.  

if you surround yourself with really bright minds, I don't think a HC has to necessarily have a ton of experience.  In fact, I'd say the biggest skills I require from my HC is to be a leader of men and to be able to coalesce with your other coaches while holding them accountable but trusting why you hired them in the first place.

I wonder, does a younger, ex player have a better chance of leading today's player than someone with more coaching experience but either didn't play or is older and further removed from the players themselves?

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Sure I can. Rebuilding is different than trying to keep a window open. When you're rebuilding, the consensus is around who has the highest upside, when you're trying to win now, the conflict is between upside and who fills a need. Look at people complaining about Hurts and Taylor because they didn't help the team win now (though Hurts was an insurance policy) - but while Taylor's a gamble, that's the kind of athleticism you want in your LBs in a pass happy league. Same with Bradley. Same with Hightower and Watkins, who were picks based on future upside.

Why did Howie do this - because like he said, he knew he'd have to rebuild, and after the 1st rd, players are unlikely to contribute as rookies. So he was hedging his bets in this draft.

Notice no reports of Pederson lobbying to take Jefferson, with Ertz as his possession WR, the perceived need was for speed.

You just want to lay everything at the feet of Doug and protect your boy.   And will say incongruent things to spin it so that, once again, Teflon Howie remains untouched and is in no way responsible for any of this mess... despite being the one writing these horrible contracts for older players at way above market value.

 

 

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

"Now you've got Jalen Hurts, who you might've alienated. You've got Carson, who might feel alienated. And you've got a training camp an an OTA with a new coach, whoever that is, and a job that a lot of guys might not want to take. You're $60 mil over the cap, your roster's aging. And the guy who won a Super Bowl and there's a statue of him outside the stadium? He left because, in part, he wanted more control. 

"If I'm a coach, a really good coach who's got clout, do I want to go into a situation where a guy just left, who won them a Super Bowl in franchise history, [because he] wanted more control?"

Chris as usual is spot on.  For those doubting him, you may be unfair to Chris Long.  Very intelligent and perceptive guy, not just a standard "ex player" with a grudge against someone.  Seems to have remained vested in the Eagles continued success, even though he did not come back to the team in his desired role after the SB.

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

BWF discussed it near the end of the episode. Not only work related. Also apparently from same town, went to same high school and were close. there were a bunch of other things connected to him and thought of chip as a mentor 

If Chip is his mentor, that makes him much less desirable to me.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You just want to lay everything at the feet of Doug and protect your boy.   And will say incongruent things to spin it so that, once again, Teflon Howie remains untouched and is in no way responsible for any of this mess... despite being the one writing these horrible contracts for older players at way above market value.

 

 

Basically howie 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We will only know after it’s leaked that Howie wanted the good ones but decided to let others make the bad picks. 

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

Chris as usual is spot on.  For those doubting him, you may be unfair to Chris Long.  Very intelligent and perceptive guy, not just a standard "ex player" with a grudge against someone.  Seems to have remained vested in the Eagles continued success, even though he did not come back to the team in his desired role after the SB.

Was on svp last night. He actually gave howie some complements on the show while also discussing some of the flaws with the job. 

9 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

just food for thought...the NBA has recently started hiring ex players with little coaching experience.  

if you surround yourself with really bright minds, I don't think a HC has to necessarily have a ton of experience.  In fact, I'd say the biggest skills I require from my HC is to be a leader of men and to be able to coalesce with your other coaches while holding them accountable but trusting why you hired them in the first place.

I wonder, does a younger, ex player have a better chance of leading today's player than someone with more coaching experience but either didn't play or is older and further removed from the players themselves?

The problem with that is if your assistants/coordinators do their job and turn the offense or defense into a top five unit, they’re out of there getting coaching jobs of their own within a few years and you constantly have to find new guys and rebuild. 

24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

While Chris Long is a really good guy, it should be pointed out he probably wasn’t on the best terms with Howie after he was told his role would be greatly diminished if he was brought back at all

Nah...that was all Schwartz.  Howie is never responsible for anything negative.  Only positives for Howie.

47 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The point is Lurie-Howie will not give the new coach any say. 

I am sure they will tell any candidate they want that's not true.  It just depends on how gullible the coach is.  

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The problem with that is if your assistants/coordinators do their job and turn the offense or defense into a top five unit, they’re out of there getting coaching jobs of their own within a few years and you constantly have to find new guys and rebuild. 

I think that would be a good problem to have, no?  And how would you avoid that other than having a hybrid HC/OC or HC/DC, which I think is more challenge than reward?

 

14 minutes ago, John_C said:

While it may be convenient, it is absolute fantasy to blame Doug Peterson for the disastrous draft record here.  Sure, he had "input" - but his voice most certainly did NOT count.  The entire "collaborative approach" BS is just that.  It's an enablement scheme for owner meddling.  It certainly has not lead to optimal decision making.

*** Again, when a head coach from the offensive side of the ball, and play caller, is not even ALLOWED TO PICK HIS OWN OFFENSIVE COACHING STAFF, how can you POSSIBLY try to allege he had any meaningful input, no less responsibility, for the draft picks? ***

They humiliated this coach after last year and forced him to fire coaches he wanted to keep as well as hire guys from systems they coveted.  You have LOWIE sitting there with Patch, Weidl, Donohoe and others, and you think they defer to Doug when on the clock?  Please.  

You are a very smart guy, please apply logic here, not fantasy.  It's nice to think that Doug was the issue, and now things will be better.  In regard to personnel, he wasn't, and they won't.

I tend to *mostly* believe the information reported by McLane on some of the recent picks.  Eskin has some additional color that could have some validity.  

Bottom line, the general manager, along with meddling Faux Jerry Jones owner, are absolutely accountable for the current roster, the draft picks, the trades, the free agent signings and the state of the salary cap.  Failure across the board.  But can't wait to stick a new coach in there, should solve everything.  No worries.

Do you really think Press Taylor, or Graham Harrell last year, were qualified coordinators?  Did you want Corey Undin to return to be the Eagles DC?

The Eagles are 100% correct not to allow Doug to hire his own staff; he just wanted to bring interns in and elevate them to positions they aren’t qualified for.

43 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's an intriguing name.  I'm curious.  What about him makes you say 'home run' though?   Take me through the thought process there.

- Has both NFL and College experience.
- Is a "leader of men"
- Has coached multiple types of offenses: the OSU offense with Haskins was different than the Fields' offense. This is also why I like Lincoln Riley.

Concern would obviously be that he often had the most talent on the field.

Now, Ryan Day won't happen. Ryan Day and Chip Kelly are extremely close. There's no way he's working for Howie after talking to Chip.

13 minutes ago, John_C said:

Chris as usual is spot on.  For those doubting him, you may be unfair to Chris Long.  Very intelligent and perceptive guy, not just a standard "ex player" with a grudge against someone.  Seems to have remained vested in the Eagles continued success, even though he did not come back to the team in his desired role after the SB.

He came back in 2018.  He was allowed to retire after the double doink.   If you recall, it was Long's locker that had the Nick Foles shrine in 2018 that caused all the stir around the media... he must have gotten a great chuckle from that.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He came back in 2018.  He was allowed to retire after the double doink.   If you recall, it was Long's locker that had the Nick Foles shrine in 2018 that caused all the stir around the media... he must have gotten a great chuckle from that.

He was actually just talking about that the other day, and seemed genuinely annoyed with how far people took it to mean something other than a stupid joke

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

- Has both NFL and College experience.
- Is a "leader of men"
- Has coached multiple types of offenses: the OSU offense with Haskins was different than the Fields' offense. This is also why I like Lincoln Riley.

Concern would obviously be that he often had the most talent on the field.

Now, Ryan Day won't happen. Ryan Day and Chip Kelly are extremely close. There's no way he's working for Howie after talking to Chip.

In order:

• His NFL experience came in 2 consecutive years with Chip Kelly as the HC (1 in Philly, 2015; 1 in SF, 2016).
• His 'mentor' was never a 'leader of men', when has Day actually led men?   He's been in the college ranks almost exclusively, with the exception of his 1 year stints with Kelly in disastrous situations.

 

Please expand on the "leader of men" comment.  Do you have evidence of that?   We know that Chip Kelly never was.

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The Saleh to the Jets is huge for the Eagles IMO. 

He's gonna bring baby Lefluer with him, probably stick with Darnold, Trade back a couple spots and get a WR or CB

 

Would fix a total of zero issues staying at 6 and drafting a LB.   Micah Parsons is an intriguing (plug and play) player that could do wonders for a team in contention that is missing a piece. 

The Eagles are not that team. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Do you really think Press Taylor, or Graham Harrell last year, were qualified coordinators?  Did you want Corey Undin to return to be the Eagles DC?

The Eagles are 100% correct not to allow Doug to hire his own staff; he just wanted to bring interns in and elevate them to positions they aren’t qualified for.

I don't know, and I don't know.  When it comes to younger coaches, especially when we have such limited information on their actual skill sets and contributions, who is to say someone is the "next McVay" and who is a total failure?  We don't have enough info.  Even with Press Taylor, he seems like a total disaster, but do we really know enough to make that evaluation?  Would his ideas alone with Doug, and without the "collaboration" of Morningwood and other assistants had more success?  I will say with him, he does appear to have failed as a QB coach.  Wentz's mechanics regressed consistently, that was obvious to me just watching games.

I don't know about the relative effectiveness of those other guys as coordinators, in our situation.

There are many arguments for removing Doug, I don't disagree with that move per se -- and if you don't trust Doug to make these decisions, it is absolutely right to remove him.  I just don't agree with the move in a vacuum or in how it was done, and I don't agree it makes any sense on any level to keep the personnel leadership in place.

Now it doesn't matter to me.  Make Press Taylor the head coach, hire Lincoln Riley, trade for Belicheat.  The franchise is going nowhere under the current leadership.

One edge we may have with Daboll is that him and Howie share the same agent.  So while we may not have a direct interview we can send out feelers and stuff via their agent to at least gain the information if he is interested or not.  Daboll would be my first choice. 

Daboll

Riley

Brady

Smith 

Saleh 

 

Are my top 5 in order. 

7 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The point is Lurie-Howie will not give the new coach any say. 

AR had full power, even got personnel power that lead to the dream team.

Chip had full power, which was a disaster.

Pederson didn't deserve that deference, b/c he was a clubhouse guy without a "binder," his choices for assistant coaches didn't inspire confidence.

I think if a HC candidate comes in prepared to run the show like AR, he'll get the authority to run the show, especially because he'll be running a rebuild, so the new HC will be hired b/c he's prepared, with explanations for the assistants he wants to hire.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The Saleh to the Jets is huge for the Eagles IMO. 

He's gonna bring baby Lefluer with him, probably stick with Darnold, Trade back a couple spots and get a WR or CB

 

The Jets don't have a great o-line.  I think there's a possibility they go get an OT.  I also think a player like Kyle Pitts may draw interest.  

12 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I think that would be a good problem to have, no?  And how would you avoid that other than having a hybrid HC/OC or HC/DC, which I think is more challenge than reward?

 

That's basically the problem they had with Reich, he left, and here we are now because they were never able to adequately replace him. Offense is more important than defense in the NFL now. That's just how it is with the rules favoring offenses and the talent pool being better and deeper than it ever has been. Innovative offensive minds have staying power with consistently good teams. I'd rather hire a creative, innovative offensive-minded coach who is able to scheme and gameplan on his own with the help of his assistants, rather than relying on an offensive coordinator to do that who will probably end up getting a HC job of his own within a couple of years. 

That's why Reid is able to go through OC's like water and still have a potent offense. He's the mind, not necessarily his OCs. 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He came back in 2018.  He was allowed to retire after the double doink.   If you recall, it was Long's locker that had the Nick Foles shrine in 2018 that caused all the stir around the media... he must have gotten a great chuckle from that.

That's what I meant, just that he didn't come back after his deal expired... referring generally to that back and forth when he decided not to come back and accept the decreased role.