6 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think a smart coach would look at this as more of an opportunity. You go into it with an owner who clearly wants a re-build. So you say, "if I take this job, I need 4 years. First year is a total wash because of the cap and roster. We’re going to have a top 5 pick. Second year I settle on a QB. Again, really bad record. Third year we get to around .500 as my first two draft classes mature and we have room to maneuver under the cap. 4th year we make the playoffs.”

If Lurie balks, then you do too. But if he agrees then you have the absolute most valuable thing a HC can ask for: job security.

If Wentz gets fixed, we aren’t top five bad. 

42 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I disagree. I think the Eagles job is the top spot. You have 2 QBs. You have the 6th pick. You are in the worst division in football. You have a development year where you have the best chance of making the playoffs. 

you have two QBs that are what? Just cause you have two QBs doesn’t mean anything. One has some potential upside if you believe you can make him into a better passer and the others coming off one of the worst seasons a starting quarterback could ever have and you have to salvage him and hope he’s not completely broke. Having 2 QBs doesn’t mean anything.the lions have Stafford. The jags are going to have Lawrence. The Jets could have fields or darnold. And 2 two first rounders.The chargers have Herbert. Atlanta has Matt Ryan and 4. Texans if they convince watson to stay have watson  

they also are currently $60 million in the hole salary cap wise. So even when they get below the cap are not going to be able to make a lot of moves to add talent but they’re gonna have to get rid of some decent talent without any replacements. This is a rebuild. 

I don’t care how bad the NFC East is. Your goal shouldn’t be well we can win the NFC East cause it sucks. Your goal should be winning Super Bowl championships. Winning the NFC East is like being the tallest midget.  And the Eagles roster is a bad roster with no cap space to fix this offseason and they have minimal good young talent that’s proven. 

teams i have ahead of the eagles 

chargers— have Herbert and cap space and good young talent on defense. 

jags— going to have Lawrence, cap space and draft picks just as high

Jets— most cap space, 2 firsts and 3 thirds with the comp pick from Anderson, darnold or fields. 

i think all three of those spots are as good and better then the eagles. 

Just connecting the dots on some openings, with the latest rumors...

Jets: Saleh or?

Falcons: Smith

Jags: Meyer

Chargers: Daboll

Texans: Bienemy (to appease Watson)

Lions: Saleh or Campbell

Eagles: _________?

 

In the above scenario, that might leave us with Brady as his spots might dry up. Even though he’s young, he could be itching to make the move now while he’s a hot name. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Just connecting the dots on some openings, with the latest rumors...

Jets: Saleh or?

Falcons: Smith

Jags: Meyer

Chargers: Daboll

Texans: Bienemy (to appease Watson)

Lions: Saleh or?

Eagles: _________?

 

Saleh is the only one on that list who is even remotely interesting to me. What a bad year to need a coach, sheesh.

19 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Chargers bengals falcons stand out here

We beat the Bengals woo hoo 

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Saleh is the only one on that list who is even remotely interesting to me. What a bad year to need a coach, sheesh.

I like joe brady tbh. I’d be happy with him. I still think Kafka makes sense with how the eagles think. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like joe brady tbh. I’d be happy with him. I still think Kafka makes sense with how the eagles think. 

I agree with Brady. He's my top choice.

Kafka is a gigantic no from me.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like joe brady tbh. I’d be happy with him. I still think Kafka makes sense with how the eagles think. 

He was my vote in the poll. We'll see.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

I agree with Brady. He's my top choice.

Kafka is a gigantic no from me.

I didn’t say Kafka was the guy I’d want. But I think  how the Eagles think that he is going to be a strong candidate

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Just connecting the dots on some openings, with the latest rumors...

Jets: Saleh or?

Falcons: Smith

Jags: Meyer

Chargers: Daboll

Texans: Bienemy (to appease Watson)

Lions: Saleh or Campbell

Eagles: _________?

 

Eagles: Todd Bowles 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:teams i have ahead of the eagles 

chargers— have Herbert and cap space and good young talent on defense. 

jags— going to have Lawrence, cap space and draft picks just as high

Jets— most cap space, 2 firsts and 3 thirds with the comp pick from Anderson, darnold or fields. 

i think all three of those spots are as good and better then the eagles. 

Shahid Khan might be worse than Daniel Snyder. I’d say JAX is a bottom 3 job in the league even with Trevor Lawrence. Although, I can see how Lawrence would make some disagree completely.

IMO, NYJ and Eagles are about even, at this point. HOU is also about even if the Watson situation can be fixed. I think ATL is right there, too, because Arthur Blank is a good owner and they’ve got the 4th pick in a QB-heavy draft.

However, if I’m an experienced coach the Eagles might go to the bottom of this list due to lack of control.

Anything but Bowles

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t say Kafka was the guy I’d want. But I think  how the Eagles think that he is going to be a strong candidate

QB centric + ties to the org is your reasoning?

Seems to have an uninspiring personality.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

QB centric + ties to the org is your reasoning?

Seems to have an uninspiring personality.

He also is credited with helping build Patrick Mahomes before he became the MVP as his QB coach. I was listening to Bill Polian talk about Mike Kafka on Sirius radio yesterday. He spoke glowingly about him and how he’s eventually going to be a good head coach and he also said people love what he did with Patrick Mahomes before Patrick Mahomes became the superstar he is. Said give Andy credit but Kafka was hands on in that  

I’m just telling you things that in podcasts I’ve heard and then on the radio from other NFL guys really like him. He wouldn’t be my top choice but I could see the Eagles thinking they need to salvage Carson Wentz and that he could be the guy you bring in that gets him back to where you need him to be 

The interview choices are interesting.  Would believe the Eagles ask Saleh, Bowles and Mayo who they would hire as DC.  OC question for Brady and Smith.  I am confident part of the interview process is identifying future coordinators.  One issue I have with Mayo, Brady, Kafka and Staley is a lack of a coaching tree.  Who of experienced coaches do they know?  Duce and Kafka are limited pretty much to AR’s tree.   Last year, however, the Eagles went outside Doug’s tree with the Moorehead and Manuel hires, so there is a pipeline outside Doug.

Another thing to watch is the existing assistant coaches.  Everyone thinks Stout should stay.  I figure pretty much everyone else will be the new coach’s choice.

 I do think the new defensive scheme will be a 4/3 and I expect some wide 9 out of it.  That said, both Mayo (Belichek) and Bowles run a bit of a hybrid 4/3; 3/4 scheme. Could see some of that with Avery and Sweat but I think at this point BG is a 4/3 DE as is Barnett.  Good mid level talent at edge who are speedballs in OLB bodies in this draft.   Belichek’s/Saban’s Cover 1.  Saleh has an interesting Cover 3 hybrid.  Bowles plays pretty much everything.  Manuel was a zone guy and noting in the secondary scheme excited me about him this year.  Don’t see Manuel as staying.  Frajole retires.  Burke really was brought in as a successor by Jim so my guess is he is gone.  May be a whole new D coaching group.

On O, who is to say.  My guess is they stick with a zone like blocking scheme with Stout. Stout likes some Mano y Mano blocking (only thing that explains Pryor).  I think we look at a bit of a Leach offense with a bunch of RPO and some WCO thrown in. Hard to say with Smith and Brady interviews as it so far.  Are we really looking at our sixth WR coach in as many years?  Despite the defensive interviews, I believe an offensive hire at HC is more likely. 

7 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Anything but Bowles

Every time I look at Bowles I think of the Lions five consecutive TD drives.

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

I disagree. I think the Eagles job is the top spot. You have 2 QBs. You have the 6th pick. You are in the worst division in football. You have a development year where you have the best chance of making the playoffs. 

Plus Stoutland is under contract. 

16 minutes ago, SBorBust said:

Shahid Khan might be worse than Daniel Snyder. I’d say JAX is a bottom 3 job in the league even with Trevor Lawrence. Although, I can see how Lawrence would make some disagree completely.

IMO, NYJ and Eagles are about even, at this point. HOU is also about even if the Watson situation can be fixed. I think ATL is right there, too, because Arthur Blank is a good owner and they’ve got the 4th pick in a QB-heavy draft.

However, if I’m an experienced coach the Eagles might go to the bottom of this list due to lack of control.

I agree khan might be the worst owner out of all of them. But I think Trevor Lawrence if you believe he’s going to be the next big thing at quarterback that makes that franchise looks so much more appealing.

Houston is dysfunctional but if they somehow get Deshaun Watson to want to stay I would still put them right there with the Eagles because Deshaun Watson in my opinion is a proven top 10 quarterback.

The Jets I could go either way. I just like the fact they have a bunch of Cap space, lot of draft picks the next two years, started the rebuild last year and i think they will have a QB in place whether darnold or fields. Frankly I think Darnold gets looked at as a bum because Adam Gase is a moron. I’d bet he has some sort of resurgence elsewhere or in NY with better coaching. Like tannehill but maybe not as good as tannehill’s numbers. 

as much as Dean Spanos is a dbag of an owner, the fact that Justin Herbert looks like a legitimate top-tier quarterback as a rookie and they have a good defensive talent on that roster. It’s a good roster with salary cap flexibility. If Anthony Lynn was a better coach i think they win 9-10 games with the talent . 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree khan might be the worst owner out of all of them. But I think Trevor Lawrence if you believe he’s going to be the next big thing at quarterback that makes that franchise looks so much more appealing.

Houston is dysfunctional but if they somehow get Deshaun Watson to want to stay I would still put them right there with the Eagles because Deshaun Watson in my opinion is a proven top 10 quarterback.

The Jets I could go either way. I just like the fact they have a bunch of Cap space, lot of draft picks the next two years, started the rebuild last year and i think they will have a QB in place whether darnold or fields. Frankly I think Darnold gets looked at as a bum because Adam Gase is a moron. I’d bet he has some sort of resurgence elsewhere or in NY with better coaching. Like tannehill but maybe not as good as tannehill’s numbers. 

as much as Dean Spanos is a dbag of an owner, the fact that Justin Herbert looks like a legitimate top-tier quarterback as a rookie and they have a good defense of talent on that roster. It’s a good roster with salary cap flexibility

There’s just not much to hang your hat on here. Bad roster. Bad salary cap. No extra draft picks. The QB position is a mess. 

Lurie probably isn’t as appealing of an owner as he once was. I can’t imagine coaches are excited to work with Howie. They surely will hear some not great things from Doug and maybe Reich.

We have a passionate fan base that is pretty quick to turn on folks. The media scrutiny is intense. 

I guess the money is good though.  

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Despite the defensive interviews, I believe an offensive hire at HC is more likely. 

Yup, the Eagles are sitting on a $34M QB that the national media will portray as getting his head coach fired.  I don’t think they have the luxury of hiring Bowles at all, and if it’s Saleh they’d really have to be sold on the other LaFleur as OC.  Hopefully have a good plan for QB coach as well.  Seems a lot to ask for.

Brady or Arthur Smith paired with a proven, experienced DC seems like the safer route 

Inspiring. 

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

you have two QBs that are what? Just cause you have two QBs doesn’t mean anything. One has some potential upside if you believe you can make him into a better passer and the others coming off one of the worst seasons a starting quarterback could ever have and you have to salvage him and hope he’s not completely broke. Having 2 QBs doesn’t mean anything.the lions have Stafford. The jags are going to have Lawrence. The Jets could have fields or darnold. And 2 two first rounders.The chargers have Herbert. Atlanta has Matt Ryan and 4. Texans if they convince watson to stay have watson  

they also are currently $60 million in the hole salary cap wise. So even when they get below the cap are not going to be able to make a lot of moves to add talent but they’re gonna have to get rid of some decent talent without any replacements. This is a rebuild. 

I don’t care how bad the NFC East is. Your goal shouldn’t be well we can win the NFC East cause it sucks. Your goal should be winning Super Bowl championships. Winning the NFC East is like being the tallest midget.  And the Eagles roster is a bad roster with no cap space to fix this offseason and they have minimal good young talent that’s proven. 

teams i have ahead of the eagles 

chargers— have Herbert and cap space and good young talent on defense. 

jags— going to have Lawrence, cap space and draft picks just as high

Jets— most cap space, 2 firsts and 3 thirds with the comp pick from Anderson, darnold or fields. 

i think all three of those spots are as good and better then the eagles. 

I still think Chargers are the #1 spot. Texans would be next but their FO is messy

Jags owner has decided to get way more involved. We'll see how that works. Usually it's bad. Will Lawrence be able to overcome it?

Jets are the Jets. Hopefully we don't become like them

I actually think the NFC East will end up being good quickly. Giants get Barkley back. Dallas gets Dak back or some QB and unless they plan on screwing us over again in the draft they will likely try to fix their defense. They have a bunch of talent on offense. Skins really just need to work on their offense and just keep building. Young is going to be a problem for us for awhile sadly

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Plus Stoutland is under contract. 

So was Doug. I doubt they fire Stoutland though. His work with the backups has been good. He's had questionable moments of why he put in certain players over others though

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

There’s just not much to hang your hat on here. Bad roster. Bad salary cap. No extra draft picks. The QB position is a mess. 

Lurie probably isn’t as appealing of an owner as he once was. I can’t imagine coaches are excited to work with Howie. They surely will hear some not great things from Doug and maybe Reich.

We have a passionate fan base that is pretty quick to turn on folks. The media scrutiny is intense. 

I guess the money is good though.  

I love the Eagles whether they’re good or bad. Hence why I’m always on the board talking to you guys. But I’m not gonna fool myself into thinking this job is one of the best ones on the market right now. Like you pointed out there’s so many things with this team that makes this job less glamorous. I don’t think they’re the worst but I don’t think they’re the best.

If I had my choice of any of the teams that are hiring right now I probably go to the chargers just because they have Justin Herbert and I think that if you build that roster properly you could at least compete with the Chiefs ( if he’s improves upon his rookie season). If he improves upon his rookie year that’s going to be crazy in that division to have Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. 

i think second and third you could make a bunch of arguments for. 

37 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Saleh is the only one on that list who is even remotely interesting to me. What a bad year to need a coach, sheesh.

 

When would be a good year?  No one knows how good or bad a HC hire is until you see how it plays out.  No one saw Doug or Andy being the best of their "coach classes".