1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I love the Eagles whether they’re good or bad. Hence why I’m always on the board talking to you guys. But I’m not gonna fool myself into thinking this job is one of the best ones on the market right now. Like you pointed out there’s so many things with this team that makes this job less glamorous. I don’t think they’re the worst but I don’t think they’re the best.

If I had my choice of any of the teams that are hiring right now I probably go to the chargers just because they have Justin Herbert and I think that if you build that roster properly you could at least compete with the Chiefs ( if he’s improves upon his rookie season). If he improves upon his rookie year that’s going to be crazy in that division to have Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. 

i think second and third you could make a bunch of arguments for. 

I’d still put the Jags second. Lawrence and a bunch of cap space and draft picks are enough to talk me into thinking I could control the owner enough to win big. 

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I still think Chargers are the #1 spot. Texans would be next but their FO is messy

Jags owner has decided to get way more involved. We'll see how that works. Usually it's bad. Will Lawrence be able to overcome it?

Jets are the Jets. Hopefully we don't become like them

I actually think the NFC East will end up being good quickly. Giants get Barkley back. Dallas gets Dak back or some QB and unless they plan on screwing us over again in the draft they will likely try to fix their defense. They have a bunch of talent on offense. Skins really just need to work on their offense and just keep building. Young is going to be a problem for us for awhile sadly

So was Doug. I doubt they fire Stoutland though. His work with the backups has been good. He's had questionable moments of why he put in certain players over others though

Washington needs to find their quarterback. If they found their quarterback and added a playmaker on offense to mclaurin, Thomas, gibson i think they have a chance to be a good team. Now finding that quarterback isn’t an easy thing. I don’t know if they believe heinicke is that guy. 

The Giants need to get rid of Daniel Jones because I don’t think they’re ever going to be a good enough offense with him as your quarterback.

I actually like what the Jets did in their draft last year. They also have a ton of pics coming up the next two years. They also have a ton of salary cap space. You hope you don’t become the Jets but Joe Douglas has a lot going for that team in the future in terms of salary cap flexibility and draft picks.

khan is a bad owner. Curious to see if they hire urban Meyer if he relinquished what he said. Also curious to see what meyers opinion on Lawrence and fields are. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’d still put the Jags second. Lawrence and a bunch of cap space and draft picks are enough to talk me into thinking I could control the owner enough to win big. 

I also have to believe if they hire urban Meyer that he’s going to get a lot of power to come out of retirement and go to Jacksonville. He’s going to get paid so I’m guessing khan relinquishes some of what he says.

i tend to agree. The prospect of Lawrence makes it so attractive. Plus a ton of cap and picks. 

I don’t have the answer to this, did Meyer recruit fields? 

The city and the fanbase need to be considered as well.  Although, different things will appeal to different people.

Some candidates may like cities with more tepid fan interest, which means more patience and less heat.   Other candidates would embrace that pressure in a bigger market.

Outside of the football aspect, not many people are banging down the door to get into Philadelphia.  But most people at this highly competitive level aren't selecting jobs based on what city they want to live in like 22 year old post-grads.

I do think Jacksonville is one the few NFL cities that is just irrelevant though.  Even when that team is good, sometimes I feel like they aren't really part of the NFL.  The Chargers aren't far off on that front as the #2 team in a huge city that just doesn't care about professional football.  

Let's face it; the Eagles...in the heat of this moment...they do have the biggest risk of candidates having a "hell no" response to the Lowie situation.  But for any candidates who either get past that or aren't bothered by it, coaching the Chargers or Jaguars are the 2 most blah jobs in the NFL, excluding the potentially enticing QB situations with Lawrence and Herbert.

 

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I still think Chargers are the #1 spot. Texans would be next but their FO is messy

Jags owner has decided to get way more involved. We'll see how that works. Usually it's bad. Will Lawrence be able to overcome it?

Jets are the Jets. Hopefully we don't become like them

I actually think the NFC East will end up being good quickly. Giants get Barkley back. Dallas gets Dak back or some QB and unless they plan on screwing us over again in the draft they will likely try to fix their defense. They have a bunch of talent on offense. Skins really just need to work on their offense and just keep building. Young is going to be a problem for us for awhile sadly

So was Doug. I doubt they fire Stoutland though. His work with the backups has been good. He's had questionable moments of why he put in certain players over others though

I think the Texans job might be the worst. Watson has had enough and will want out.  JJ Watt and Mercilus are nearing the end of their careers.  Their FO has been pretty bad for a while now.  The Jets job is better.  

1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

I think the Texans job might be the worst. Watson has had enough and will want out.  JJ Watt and Mercilus are nearing the end of their careers.  Their FO has been pretty bad for a while now.  The Jets job is better.  

The prospect of the Texans job all relies upon Deshaun Watson coming back to that team. If he’s traded that organization looks awful and might be the worse job even if they get a boatload for Watson. 

I didn't realize Jags will have 11 picks in this draft. Damn

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The city and the fanbase need to be considered as well.  Although, different things will appeal to different people.

Some candidates may like cities with more tepid fan interest, which means more patience and less heat.   Other candidates would embrace that pressure in a bigger market.

Outside of the football aspect, not many people are banging down the door to get into Philadelphia.  But most people at this highly competitive level aren't selecting jobs based on what city they want to live in like 22 year old post-grads.

I do think Jacksonville is one the few NFL cities that is just irrelevant though.  Even when that team is good, sometimes I feel like they aren't really part of the NFL.  The Chargers aren't far off on that front as the #2 team in a huge city that just doesn't care about professional football.  

Let's face it; the Eagles...in the heat of this moment...they do have the biggest risk of candidates having a "hell no" response to the Lowie situation.  But for any candidates who either get past that or aren't bothered by it, coaching the Chargers or Jaguars are the 2 most blah jobs in the NFL, excluding the potentially enticing QB situations with Lawrence and Herbert.

 

The only thing with the chargers is LA is a fickle town. If the Chargers got good and were winning everyone in that city would jump on that bandwagon kind of like they did with the LA Kings. And the same thing with Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

The thing I think would make the Chargers more attractive to a coach is lifestyle and location of being in LA

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I didn't realize Jags will have 11 picks in this draft. Damn

That’s what happens when you trade away all your good players 

The Eagles are absolutely a premier destination for new head coaches. This is a first class organization that takes care of it's players and coaches. They have made it to the playoffs far more than they have not over the last 20 years. The city and fanbase is top notch. The only thing you can say is a strike against them is Howie and Lurie meddling. This is something that I definitely think is overblown by fans and local media. Either way, most coaches looking for their first head coaching opportunity aren't going too get too caught up in that type of stuff.

The Chargers and the Jags are more attractive openings right now, beyond that forget about it. The Jets are a dumpster fire, so are the Lions and the Texans, and the Falcons don't have the same type of prestige and fanbase and have similar questions with an aging roster. I get that it was a shitshow of a season and it's ''cool'' to bash the Eagles but some people are losing their minds if they think a coach would rather get a job with teams like the Jets and Lions.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I didn't realize Jags will have 11 picks in this draft. Damn

Jets have 2 first, 2nd, 2 3rds, going to get a comp 3 for Anderson. So basically 6 picks in the first three rounds. Still have 4 late round picks. They also could trade Sam Darnold and get more draft picks.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jets have 2 first, 2nd, 2 3rds, going to get a comp 3 for Anderson. So basically 6 picks in the first three rounds. Still have 4 late round picks. They also could trade Sam Darnold and get more draft picks.

They are still the Jets.

Any high profile coach would be smart to take advantage of Khan. That guy seems to just play around with millions and millions of dollars. Ask for full personnel control, new facilities, etc. on top of a market setting contract.

9 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

They are still the Jets.

Eh joe douglas just took over last year. His draft class looks much better than the current eagles draft class. Plus they don’t have an owner that meddling in making draft picks. They might ultimately still be the Jets but I don’t know that for sure because Joe Douglas has only been there for a year.  I also think not having Adam gase as a head coach is going to help that organization.  And just to point out there was a point in time where the Eagles were still the Eagles. Bucs were still the bucs until they got dungy then gruden finished the job. I Think if you have the right guys in place and you get the right coach you can turn around a franchise that hasn’t had success lately and be successful.

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Any high profile coach would be smart to take advantage of Khan. That guy seems to just play around with millions and millions of dollars. Ask for full personnel control, new facilities, etc. on top of a market setting contract.

Kind why i think urban Meyer is interested in that Job besides Lawrence. 

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh joe douglas just took over last year. His draft class looks much better than the current eagles draft class. Plus they don’t have an owner that meddling in making draft picks. They might ultimately still be the Jets but I don’t know that for sure because Joe Douglas has only been there for a year.  I also think not having Adam gase as a head coach is going to help that organization.  And just to point out there was a point in time where the Eagles were still the Eagles. Bucs were still the bucs until they got dungy then gruden finished the job. I Think if you have the right guys in place and you get the right coach you can turn around a franchise that hasn’t had success lately and be successful.

Kind why i think urban Meyer is interested in that Job besides Lawrence. 

The Jets are a joke of an organization and have been for a long time. They can't even lose properly. Until/if they do turn that reputation around and start having sustained success they aren't going to have more cache than the upper echelon franchises in the NFL in attracting coaching talent. 

Why do people think Lawrence is a franchise QB, if he comes up short in the college playoffs, what happens in the NFL when he'll fact talent mismatches week after week?

Athleticism and strong arm, well, no one I've seen matches Michael Vick.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

So that could be someone that just got a hand on the QB rather than the person that took the QB to the ground? Or maybe I'm thinking too far into their definition

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Why do people think Lawrence is a franchise QB, if he comes up short in the college playoffs, what happens in the NFL when he'll fact talent mismatches week after week?

Athleticism and strong arm, well, no one I've seen matches Michael Vick.

Yeah that Peyton Manning guy too, never winning a college championship. He's got to suck. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Why do people think Lawrence is a franchise QB, if he comes up short in the college playoffs, what happens in the NFL when he'll fact talent mismatches week after week?

Athleticism and strong arm, well, no one I've seen matches Michael Vick.

Same thing could be asked about some of your evaluations on eagles players who were drafted.  

53 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The interview choices are interesting.  Would believe the Eagles ask Saleh, Bowles and Mayo who they would hire as DC.  OC question for Brady and Smith.  I am confident part of the interview process is identifying future coordinators.  One issue I have with Mayo, Brady, Kafka and Staley is a lack of a coaching tree.  Who of experienced coaches do they know?  Duce and Kafka are limited pretty much to AR’s tree.   Last year, however, the Eagles went outside Doug’s tree with the Moorehead and Manuel hires, so there is a pipeline outside Doug.

Another thing to watch is the existing assistant coaches.  Everyone thinks Stout should stay.  I figure pretty much everyone else will be the new coach’s choice.

 I do think the new defensive scheme will be a 4/3 and I expect some wide 9 out of it.  That said, both Mayo (Belichek) and Bowles run a bit of a hybrid 4/3; 3/4 scheme. Could see some of that with Avery and Sweat but I think at this point BG is a 4/3 DE as is Barnett.  Good mid level talent at edge who are speedballs in OLB bodies in this draft.   Belichek’s/Saban’s Cover 1.  Saleh has an interesting Cover 3 hybrid.  Bowles plays pretty much everything.  Manuel was a zone guy and noting in the secondary scheme excited me about him this year.  Don’t see Manuel as staying.  Frajole retires.  Burke really was brought in as a successor by Jim so my guess is he is gone.  May be a whole new D coaching group.

On O, who is to say.  My guess is they stick with a zone like blocking scheme with Stout. Stout likes some Mano y Mano blocking (only thing that explains Pryor).  I think we look at a bit of a Leach offense with a bunch of RPO and some WCO thrown in. Hard to say with Smith and Brady interviews as it so far.  Are we really looking at our sixth WR coach in as many years?  Despite the defensive interviews, I believe an offensive hire at HC is more likely. 

I think the most important attribute of both the HC and his assistants is their track record of coaching up players.

Schemes are pretty much known, with video and the internet, anything new is stolen within months, if not weeks.

The key is understanding your personnel, tailoring your schemes to them, and recognizing which players you can coach up and put in positions to succeed. Eagles are a veteran time right now, but in a year they'll be young, in two years one of the youngest teams in the NFL.

1 minute ago, Mrkingofspades said:

Yeah that Peyton Manning guy too, never winning a college championship. He's got to suck. 

Meanwhile Lawrence also as a freshman destroyed bama in the national title game. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I think a smart coach would look at this as more of an opportunity. You go into it with an owner who clearly wants a re-build. So you say, "if I take this job, I need 4 years. First year is a total wash because of the cap and roster. We’re going to have a top 5 pick. Second year I settle on a QB. Again, really bad record. Third year we get to around .500 as my first two draft classes mature and we have room to maneuver under the cap. 4th year we make the playoffs.”

If Lurie balks, then you do too. But if he agrees then you have the absolute most valuable thing a HC can ask for: job security.

I think Lurie would pass on anyone who didn't think this way and promised to get back to the playoffs. Making it to the playoffs is what you offer in Detroit.

Here, what's your plan to get back to the SB within five years.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Why do people think Lawrence is a franchise QB, if he comes up short in the college playoffs, what happens in the NFL when he'll fact talent mismatches week after week?

Athleticism and strong arm, well, no one I've seen matches Michael Vick.

I don't see the big deal with Lawrence.  I think he'll be fairly good but nothing special.

Definitely dont think he will come in right away and be impressive like Burrow and Herbert were.

3 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

Yeah that Peyton Manning guy too, never winning a college championship. He's got to suck. 

I wonder if teams have gone to him for offers of a QB coach. He's enjoying retirement and about to get inducted to the hall so that'll probably never happen

If he did decide to go into coaching I bet there'd be a ton of teams throwing money at him