Problem is that the college game is nothing like the pro game anymore, I remember Vince Young winning a Championship with my Longhorns, beating USC, but the great athleticism and arm that worked at the college level didn't work in the NFL. Now there are 3 or 4 guys every year with 4.4 speed and a 50 yard arm who look great against simple college defenses and matching up WRs against CBs who'll never play on Sunday. But in the NFL they take away the outside run, cover your receivers and force throws from the pocket into tight windows. For every Mahomes, there are 4 or 5 guys who have meh careers.

Fields is a good example, against Alabama, he crashed to earth. I don't think he's won't be a NFL QB, I just didn't see the vision and accuracy to be a top ten QB.

Jones is the opposite, vision, accuracy but an average arm at best and below average athleticism. Of course, that's the description of Drew Brees for the decade after he hurt his shoulder.

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So that could be someone that just got a hand on the QB rather than the person that took the QB to the ground? Or maybe I'm thinking too far into their definition

Not even. It’s every sack play who got the pass rush win first. So for example if Graham beat the T and flushed the QB into Barnett, Graham gets the credit. It could also mean if Graham beat the T first and still got the sack, he gets credit for sack created. 

45 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think Lurie would pass on anyone who didn't think this way and promised to get back to the playoffs. Making it to the playoffs is what you offer in Detroit.

Here, what's your plan to get back to the SB within five years.

Doug won a super bowl in year 2. The NFL shouldn’t take you 4 years to be a contender. With the right moves you can turn it around much sooner. 

46 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I don't see the big deal with Lawrence.  I think he'll be fairly good but nothing special.

Definitely dont think he will come in right away and be impressive like Burrow and Herbert were.

I'm not sold on any of the QBs in this draft, but they're going to go high as it's the prime position.  If the Jags are smart they'll draft him and then follow up by drafting other O players to help him, especially OL players.  Maybe TE and WR, too.  I'm not familiar with their roster, but if you're going to invest in a kid like that at the QB position then make it as easy for him as you can and don't leave him out in the wind by himself like what happened to David Carr and even to Luck.

7 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I'm not sold on any of the QBs in this draft, but they're going to go high as it's the prime position.  If the Jags are smart they'll draft him and then follow up by drafting other O players to help him, especially OL players.  Maybe TE and WR, too.  I'm not familiar with their roster, but if you're going to invest in a kid like that at the QB position then make it as easy for him as you can and don't leave him out in the wind by himself like what happened to David Carr and even to Luck.

Jaguars have solid to good WRs. Chark is a good Wr. Shenault is going into his second year. Keelan cole jr. is solid. Could grab a WR in FA. Their rookie running back robinson looked good this year. They really need to rebuild their oline and could use a tight end as well. The defense has holes all over the place. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I love the Eagles whether they’re good or bad. Hence why I’m always on the board talking to you guys. But I’m not gonna fool myself into thinking this job is one of the best ones on the market right now. Like you pointed out there’s so many things with this team that makes this job less glamorous. I don’t think they’re the worst but I don’t think they’re the best.

If I had my choice of any of the teams that are hiring right now I probably go to the chargers just because they have Justin Herbert and I think that if you build that roster properly you could at least compete with the Chiefs ( if he’s improves upon his rookie season). If he improves upon his rookie year that’s going to be crazy in that division to have Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert. 

i think second and third you could make a bunch of arguments for. 

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

There’s just not much to hang your hat on here. Bad roster. Bad salary cap. No extra draft picks. The QB position is a mess. 

Lurie probably isn’t as appealing of an owner as he once was. I can’t imagine coaches are excited to work with Howie. They surely will hear some not great things from Doug and maybe Reich.

We have a passionate fan base that is pretty quick to turn on folks. The media scrutiny is intense. 

I guess the money is good though.  

Was listening to WIP on the drive into work this afternoon and Ritchie and DeCamara had Ray Didinger on for a while.  He basically said this is not an appealing job to the top candidates, who will all have their choice of 2-3 HC jobs to choose from.  Ritchie agreed with him.  Of the HC job openings right now we're near the bottom of the barrel compared to the others.  I think it could play out like last time where we end up with our Plan F or G, but though that worked out for us after just 2 years I don't see it happening like that this time with the way this roster and cap situation is.  We'll be lucky to make the playoffs after 2 seasons with all the work needed to rebuild this team as is.

 

5 hours ago, downundermike said:

Apparently Saleh and 49ers passing game coordinator Mike LaFleur are a package deal.

Well, if Mike can steal some of big brother Matt's O schemes and ideas during family get togethers then I'm in. 

Joe Banner seems to think the Eagles already have their guy, but that's just his opinion. I don't know, it doesn't feel that way with how the reporters are covering it.

20 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Well, if Mike can steal some of big brother Matt's O schemes and ideas during family get togethers then I'm in. 

It will be just like Clay and Casey Matthews. Or Zac and Press Taylor. Hooray!

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That last sentence doesn’t mean much.  

Sure it does...

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It will be just like Clay and Casey Matthews. Or Zac and Press Taylor. Hooray!

We always get the lesser brother.

 

1 minute ago, Green_Guinness said:

We always get the lesser brother.

 

Except for westbrook and since the kelce bros play different positions I would say we did ok there too

2 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

We always get the lesser brother.

 

Celek is the only one I got that we got the better one 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I think the most important attribute of both the HC and his assistants is their track record of coaching up players.

Schemes are pretty much known, with video and the internet, anything new is stolen within months, if not weeks.

The key is understanding your personnel, tailoring your schemes to them, and recognizing which players you can coach up and put in positions to succeed. Eagles are a veteran time right now, but in a year they'll be young, in two years one of the youngest teams in the NFL.

I agree, somewhat.  The key is creatively tailoring your schemes to your players.  Take Belichek’s Cover 1 for example.  Chung, who failed here can thrive in that defense because of the protection rotation.  Probably so could Wallace and maybe even Epps and Mills.  But not any corner not named Slay except maybe LeBlanc. And the way he hybrids his front seven doesn’t really fit the Eagles personnel. That’s why I was talking about scheme and coaching fit. 

29 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

We always get the lesser brother.

 

Hey screw you guys I’m way better than my brother.... 

2 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Doug won a super bowl in year 2. The NFL shouldn’t take you 4 years to be a contender. With the right moves you can turn it around much sooner. 

Not all situations are equal. AR took over a KC team that had been badly coached but had lots of 1st rd picks on the roster. Cleveland had oddles of draft picks but a couple coaching staffs with no clue. When AR took over in Philly, they had two losing seasons, and his first season was bad, that meant three drafts to build a roster before he started drafting in the 20s.

Right now, the Eagles are an old team that lacks the cap room to quickly patch things for a short-term run. They need a couple years to replenish young talent.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

If Wentz gets fixed, we aren’t top five bad. 

I think it really depends how drastic the rebuild is. If we are trading guys like Graham, Cox, Johnson and Brooks along with guys like Kelce, Ertz, etc leaving I think it could get pretty ugly. None of that will help fix Wentz, either. He’s going to have another cobbled together OL and a bunch of unknowns at WR.

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

The last 8 years, 10-6, 10-6, 7-9, 7-9, 13-3, 9-7, 9-7, 4-11-1.  69-58-1. Playoffs 4-3, and a SB victory.

Reid had a long stretch of winning, with a 4-12 season at the end, had it not been for his son dying, I suspect he'd have stayed and they would have rebounded in a couple years.

His Eagle record, 130-93-1, 1 SB loss, 10-9 playoff record.

Most franchises would love the last two decades.

People are grossly overreacting to an inevitable bad season.

Lotta folks are emotional rn. The future looks troubling but we have been a good-great team for the last 20 years. I’m holding hope out that these folks adapt correctly because of the past 20 years. But I wouldn’t be shocked if they don’t. 

55 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I agree, somewhat.  The key is creatively tailoring your schemes to your players.  Take Belichek’s Cover 1 for example.  Chung, who failed here can thrive in that defense because of the protection rotation.  Probably so could Wallace and maybe even Epps and Mills.  But not any corner not named Slay except maybe LeBlanc. And the way he hybrids his front seven doesn’t really fit the Eagles personnel. That’s why I was talking about scheme and coaching fit. 

Yeah, there's a balance. In the short run you tailor your schemes to your players, but you also get rid of the players who are bad fits to your schemes.

For example, Barnett can't play in a 3-4, not big enough for DE, not athletic enough for OLB.

TFWIW 

 

20 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think it really depends how drastic the rebuild is. If we are trading guys like Graham, Cox, Johnson and Brooks along with guys like Kelce, Ertz, etc leaving I think it could get pretty ugly. None of that will help fix Wentz, either. He’s going to have another cobbled together OL and a bunch of unknowns at WR.

The landscape is dependent on how the division shakes out over the next few seasons.  Most people predicted the Eagles and DAL to fight for the division this season while NYG and WAS continued to rebuild.  The division being tipped over this season sets up an interesting outlook for next season and beyond:

DAL — underachieving against expectations every single year.  That’s not talent, and it’s not nearly as much coaching as DAL fans thought.  New coaching staff, even worse results.  Sure Dak got hurt early, but they should have been 1-4 when he went out.  I don’t think Quinn fixes much 

NYG — still in rebuild and their QB will hold them back as long as he’s there.  Gettleman makes some really bad drafting decisions, but he hit gold in FA last season.  Hard to gauge Joe Judge — his players play hard, but he says and does some really dumb things

WAS — best drafting team in the division without a doubt.  Rivera and Del Rio are good (not great) coaches.  They have to get QB right.  Alex Smith gave them respectability and I suspect he’ll be gone.  They might be drafting too late to get a first round QB, so we’ll have to see what they do in FA.

 

I don’t see a 10-win team in the division for 2021.  It might be a hodgepodge of teams between 6 and 9 wins for all of them.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The landscape is dependent on how the division shakes out over the next few seasons.  Most people predicted the Eagles and DAL to fight for the division this season while NYG and WAS continued to rebuild.  The division being tipped over this season sets up an interesting outlook for next season and beyond:

DAL — underachieving against expectations every single year.  That’s not talent, and it’s not nearly as much coaching as DAL fans thought.  New coaching staff, even worse results.  Sure Dak got hurt early, but they should have been 1-4 when he went out.  I don’t think Quinn fixes much 

NYG — still in rebuild and their QB will hold them back as long as he’s there.  Gettleman makes some really bad drafting decisions, but he hit gold in FA last season.  Hard to gauge Joe Judge — his players play hard, but he says and does some really dumb things

WAS — best drafting team in the division without a doubt.  Rivera and Del Rio are good (not great) coaches.  They have to get QB right.  Alex Smith gave them respectability and I suspect he’ll be gone.  They might be drafting too late to get a first round QB, so we’ll have to see what they do in FA.

 

I don’t see a 10-win team in the division for 2021.  It might be a hodgepodge of teams between 6 and 9 wins for all of them.

Agreed. Adding my two cents

DAL - just never seems like a team. It’s always a bunch of mercenaries who end up quitting on each other at the first sign of diversity. They could benefit in a coach like Doug.

NYG - the Joe Judge shtick had short term success. It’s not going to have sustained success unless he pulls of multiple winning seasons. 
 

WAS - basically what you said. They need a QB, and aren’t in a great position to get one. I see them going after a Nick Foles/Jameis Winston level QB in FA. 
 

Too early to say where the Eagles shake up in the NFCE. Assuming Dak comes back healthy they probably have the edge, but it’s still going to be a fairly week division. 

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

NYG - the Joe Judge shtick had short term success. It’s not going to have sustained success unless he pulls of multiple winning seasons. 

Ooh let's not get carried away there. 7 wins is an improvement but its not a successful year. No team in the NFC East can hold their heads high. 

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

We got shot down by Gase and McAdoo last time. Interviews mean next to nothing. 

We got shot down by 2 crazies. That is not an indictment of us. That said I'll be curious to see who we do land.

5 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Joe Banner seems to think the Eagles already have their guy, but that's just his opinion. I don't know, it doesn't feel that way with how the reporters are covering it.

In other words, Duce.