1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s cause Arthur smith knows how to deliver based off his FedEx past

Maybe they draft a RB and pound it with 2 backs. Round 2 or 3

 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Have they interviewed Daboll or Bieniemy?

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I interpreted it as they haven’t had a one on one conversation, which others have reported that Wentz didn’t have a typical exit interview with Doug 

Looks like we'll probably have to guess what really happened

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Titans definitely need to fix their defense lol

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Who are all these veteran backups?

Dalton struggled to stay on the field when Dak went down.

Fitzpatrick went to Miami to start.

Bills had Barkley, Tenn had Woodside, Indy had Brissett, Steelers had Rudolph, Cleveland had Keenum, Balt had RGIII, KC had Henne. Good thing their starting QBs didn't get hurt.

Saints had Brees, and their $10M backup Hill who went 3-1, TB had Gabbert, Packers had Love, Seattle Geno Smith, Rams had Wolford, only NO needed to use their backup QB.

49ers lost Graropollo, 3-3, his backup Mullens went 2-6 with a 44.4 QBR, Breathard went 1-1 with a 53.4 QBR.

Dalton went 4-5 for the Cowboys with a 54.1 QBR

Basically, most teams don't need a backup QB because the dropoff is such that if the starter is injured, the season is over.

Hurts' QBR was 41, Eagles went 1-3.  So, Hurts is better than Mullens?

 

Hill is NOT a backup QB... the fact that the Saints gave him $10M is ludicrous, he's a gadget player.  The Eagles won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles, not because having a great backup is routine, but because Nick Foles is one of the streakiest QBs in the history of the league and when he gets hot, he's one of the best, and when he's not he's quite terrible.  The Eagles caught the hot streak.  The goal with the backup is not to go on and win the Super Bowl, the goal is to stay afloat and win some games.  The Saints did that with Hill, despite his massive suck factor.  Saints went 3-1 (though they got a gift against Denver from the NFL).    The 49ers sucked regardless of their QB... Super Bowl hangover.  A lot of teams miss the playoffs, or barely make the playoffs after losing a Super Bowl.   But, a backup QB that can get you through at 0.500 is a good backup.  Anything more than that is gravy and you will lose him when free agency rolls around.   (BTW, reminder, Nick Foles signed as a backup here for only $11M for 2 years, not nearly the $10M number you tossed out of left field.)

 

And I still haven't seen any kind of defense for how Hurts was a necessity for this team as a backup versus a guy like Dalton, or Winston, or even Sudfeld for that matter, whom the team already had under contract and had just signed for $2M  (I believe the word used by Jeffery was "unstoppable").  How exactly was Hurts worth a 2nd round pick?   The only logical answer is that their either really wanted to have a gadget player, ala Hill (which they actually said), or they wanted to have a QB of the future to groom behind Wentz and flip for a future pick (which is kind of silly, as he wouldn't get back much more than the investment, as a future 1 = a current 2), or they were wavering on Wentz but didn't have the guts to say it (right after they signed him to the major contract).

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

One of the big knocks I had of our last coaching search was that we didn’t look too much at defensive-minded coaches.

Not because we limited our options (I want an offensive HC), but it was a chance to sit down with the brightest defensive minds and pick their brains. Chatting with Saleh, Bowles, Mayo will give the Eagles a chance to talk strategy, trends, up and coming coaches, etc.

I remember people saying at the time that it’s a waste to interview guys who weren’t serious candidates. I don’t think that could be further from the truth. It’s a golden opportunity. 

I’m for talking to as many as possible. The thing you are going to learn is how different people think around the league and it might open your eyes to something you never thought. Plus you might like a guy and eventually want to bring him in down there road

It's not exactly saying a lot that an interview impressed Lurie and Howie.

He probably said something like "Guys, I've been thinking about a new trend. You got a lot of QBs there in Philly. How about we play all of them at once, this way we keep them all happy and the defense never knows who's gonna throw the ball."

And the two geeks who've never played football in their lives are like

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m for talking to as many as possible. The thing you are going to learn is how different people think around the league and it might open your eyes to something you never thought. Plus you might like a guy and eventually want to bring him in down there road

Yup. There’s literally nothing to lose talking with people. 

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How important is backup QB for a team that is going to be rebuilding for the rest of his rookie contract?

But, they weren't rebuilding when they went into the draft, they just intentionally took raw players that would take a long time to develop, because they weren't rebuilding... or they were rebuilding, but just traded away draft picks that Howie likes to hoard for a 29 year old CB and a boatload of money at a 27 year old DT.   

 

Afan is trying to have his cake and eat it too.

alright...give me Duce as the HC, the QB couch from the Bills as are OC, and the secondary coach from the Rams as our DC and im good

 

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Maybe they draft a RB and pound it with 2 backs. Round 2 or 3

 

I know this is from October but tannehill has played really well. Yes i get having Henry is huge for him. However sanders could also be huge for wentz. I think it’s disingenuous when people dismiss the turn around tannehill has had. He’s obviously not mahomes or close to as good. But I’d argue he’s been a top 12 if not 10 QB since he’s taken over. That’s more than i ever thought he’d be. Add on mariota had Henry and he never as good as tannehill has been after mariota had his injury. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. There’s literally nothing to lose talking with people. 

That’s how people get great contacts and connections and build relationships that could pay off down the road. 

Arthur Smith doesn't inspire me. He's looks vanilla as a motivator. His schemes are fine, but he's running a power running scheme with one of the freakiest RBs we've ever seen. He has "fixed" Tannehill I guess (his stats are definitely impressive), but you're kidding yourself if you trust that offense to drive the field at the end of a playoff game. And there's talk that Smith's "heart is in Tennessee." Gotta wonder if he'd even be up for any of the BS he'd face here.

Long is a fan. 

37 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Like what other jobs are now available?

And most of the candidates the Eagles interview, they probably have little interest in hiring unless they unexpectedly get blown away.

Exactly who had pull? OCs don't have pull, you can be hot this year and your offense tank next year and never get another interview.

The only guys with pull are experienced HCs with proven track records (or elite college coaches with nice contracts), coordinators just hope to get a chance.

 

Based on situation, Philly and Detroit are the least appealing jobs. NYJ, JAX, LAC, HOU, and ATL are all better opportunities as far as either being in a spot for a rebuild, patience for that rebuild, having a sure-fire starting QB, or having cap room to make FA splashes. JAX and NYJ obviously off the table now with those slots filled. 
 

Add in the structure that they have here with Roseman, and guys like Daboll, Smith, Brady, etc will go with another option based on the multiple interviews they are getting or just stay put and go through the carousel with next year’s openings. 
 

I fully expect some low-mid tier candidate to get this job. Very similar to the scenario with Pederson back in 2016. That obviously worked out well with the Super Bowl, but here we are five years later looking for another coach. 

Duce would be the most infuriating hire of all. Not because I dislike Duce. But because what it would mean.

Duce was the assistant head coach. He’s already freaking in the building making an impact. The only reason you would fire Doug and just promote Duce is to just put a coach into place who will do the bidding of Howie and Lurie.

It would essentially be removing the last remaining layer giving Howie Roseman complete and utter control of the franchise. Might as well just make him offensive coordinator at that point. It’ll be the Howie Roseman show 100%.

Going someone outside the organization at least would give somewhat of a hope that they care about getting this right.

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

 

He's been contradicting himself all day.   Hurts was a really good pick, because you need to draft a back up QB in the 2nd round... but there's no guarantees with top of the first round QBs.   They weren't rebuilding when they traded away draft picks for Slay... but they were rebuilding when they drafted a bunch of raw athletes in the draft that had no chance of helping out the team in 2020.   Howie likes to hoard draft picks... but can squander them away on Desean, Slay, Avery and Tate... and even use them to trade up in drafts to grab guys like Goedert and Pumphrey.

 

He is trying to defend the indefensible... aka, Howie Roseman, post-Super Bowl.   And he will do whatever he can, and say whatever he has to and hope that no one catches him in his contradictions.   Howie started to really feel his oats after the Super Bowl.  Every string he pulled had a pot of gold at the end.  Now, every string he pulls has a giant turd at the end.  He went from bringing in low risk, high quality veterans at discount prices in 2017... Long, Smith, Blount, Robinson, Alshon.... to giving out big money contracts to higher risk, lower quality veterans at market prices in 2018 and beyond... Desean, Malik, Alshon's restructure, Graham (high quality individual, but not worth nearly the ~$18M he's due next year, $17M if cut), and the unnecessary extensions to Brooks and Johnson who had their contracts running through 2021.   It's been a different Howie since the Super Bowl... less prudent, less skillful in the art of negotiating and just handing over big money to any one and every one associated with the Super Bowl, which is one thing, but then he extended it to the Jacksons... neither of which lived up to those contracts while here, nor had anything to do with the Super Bowl.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Arthur Smith doesn't inspire me. He's looks vanilla as a motivator. His schemes are fine, but he's running a power running scheme with one of the freakiest RBs we've ever seen. He has "fixed" Tannehill I guess (his stats are definitely impressive), but you're kidding yourself if you trust that offense to drive the field at the end of a playoff game. And there's talk that Smith's "heart is in Tennessee." Gotta wonder if he'd even be up for any of the BS he'd face here.

I like him because he fixed Tannehill, and play-action passes are a cheat code. I’m not going to knock him for that. He’s been great in Tennessee for two years running. 

The great unknown with him or anyone else is how are they as leaders? Who are they bringing in as coaches? If he wants to call the plays, how much time can he spend coordinating the offense when he needs to coach the whole team? Will he hire a HC on defense like we did Schwartz?

I would like Terryl Austin or Aaron Glenn, or pluck someone from the Rams or Broncos. Austin could be a HC of the defense. The others probably not so much. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Duce would be the most infuriating hire of all. Not because I dislike Duce. But because what it would mean.

Duce was the assistant head coach. He’s already freaking in the building making an impact. The only reason you would fire Doug and just promote Duce is to just put a coach into place who will do the bidding of Howie and Lurie.

It would essentially be removing the last remaining layer giving Howie Roseman complete and utter control of the franchise. Might as well just make him offensive coordinator at that point. It’ll be the Howie Roseman show 100%.

Going someone outside the organization at least would give somewhat of a hope that they care about getting this right.

Duce is a motivator of men. Surround himself with REAL coordinators and I think he will do amazing

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Based on situation, Philly and Detroit are the least appealing jobs. NYJ, JAX, LAC, HOU, and ATL are all better opportunities as far as either being in a spot for a rebuild, patience for that rebuild, having a sure-fire starting QB, or having cap room to make FA splashes. JAX and NYJ obviously off the table now with those slots filled. 
 

Add in the structure that they have here with Roseman, and guys like Daboll, Smith, Brady, etc will go with another option based on the multiple interviews they are getting or just stay put and go through the carousel with next year’s openings. 
 

I fully expect some low-mid tier candidate to get this job. Very similar to the scenario with Pederson back in 2016. That obviously worked out well with the Super Bowl, but here we are five years later looking for another coach. 

I’m not sure Houston is appealing, even with Watson. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Duce would be the most infuriating hire of all. Not because I dislike Duce. But because what it would mean.

Duce was the assistant head coach. He’s already freaking in the building making an impact. The only reason you would fire Doug and just promote Duce is to just put a coach into place who will do the bidding of Howie and Lurie.

It would essentially be removing the last remaining giving Howie Roseman complete and utter control of the franchise. Might as well just make him offensive coordinator at that point. It’ll be the Howie Roseman show 100%.

Going someone outside the organization at least would give somewhat of a hope that they care about getting this right.

I think it also probably speaks it wasn’t as appealing fo a job as people think. To me the eagles by passed Duce according to caplan about the responsibilities he was given compared to what press Taylor had last year. I like Duce but i don’t think he offers any innovation to the offense. I view him as a good CEO and leader. I want someone who’s a leader and innovative or a leader who brings an OC that’s going to be innovative. I don’t see Duce being either of those 

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Have they interviewed Daboll or Bieniemy?

Looks like we'll probably have to guess what really happened

Titans definitely need to fix their defense lol

They can’t interview Daboll or Bieniemy until Chiefs or Bills are eliminated.

As far as Carson and Doug, I think it’s safe to say there’s obvious tension. Carson hasn’t said anything since getting benched, declined a end of year PC and hasn’t said anything about Doug getting fired. All the reports have said the relationship is either fractured or strained at best. Just too much smoke. 

Just now, DoWorx said:

Duce is a motivator of men. Surround himself with REAL coordinators and I think he will do amazing

Doug was too. The team always played for him. Motivation to me was never the problem. The Eagles got stale and need fresh ideas and fresh eyes in that building.

Promoting Duce would tell us they like everything as-is, they just thought Doug was in the way of making it work. Which would be asinine.

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hurts got us a key win that cost us a top three pick. 

Isn’t that worth a second-round pick for a rebuilding team?

If he got it by passing, I'd be happy about it.   He got it by running, which is the least sustainable way for a QB to win.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when a QB has the same number of rushes as completions, that's not a good game.  This isn't the 1940s and the NFL is a long way removed from the single wing, or the wishbone.  17 completions for 167 yards, versus 18 rushes for 106 yards.   That's a bad formula, and if they'd have been playing nearly any other QB in the NFL, I don't think the Eagles are even close to winning that game.  And I still struggle with why Peyton didn't use Hill as a runner more in that game, given he saw how susceptible the Eagles were to it.   That was the last game before Brees would return, and it seemed like he had to prove to the world that Hill was actually a QB, not just a gadget guy.  And all he really did was reinforce that Hill was nothing but a gadget guy, and cost himself the #1 seed.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I like him because he fixed Tannehill, and play-action passes are a cheat code. I’m not going to knock him for that. He’s been great in Tennessee for two years running. 

The great unknown with him or anyone else is how are they as leaders? Who are they bringing in as coaches? If he wants to call the plays, how much time can he spend coordinating the offense when he needs to coach the whole team? Will he hire a HC on defense like we did Schwartz?

I would like Terryl Austin or Aaron Glenn, or pluck someone from the Rams or Broncos. Austin could be a HC of the defense. The others probably not so much. 

People should be thrilled about this. How many times over the last three years have we ****ed and moaned about Doug not knowing his personnel and how to utilize them to their max and their strengths. At least Arthur Smith understands that and is going to continue to use it until the other team stops it. The most simplistic thing doug had trouble figuring out til December. 

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Pretty coincidental this comes out ten minutes after the Saleh news drops 

33 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

The concern with him might be what kind of staff he could put together. But I'm not really sure how sticking around one more year in Carolina is gonna help that very much.

We’d have to hope he’s like McVay, where he is good at identifying other smart people through film study or coaching clinics.