Of the guys interviewed or scheduled to interview, only Brady and Mayo excite me (Saleh did too, but that's point is now moot.). If Duce can't manage the RB rotation, how's he gonna manage the complex decisions this team has to make in 2021 and 2022?

4 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

As opposed to Duce or Bowles? 

How do you make the leap that being not interested in Riley means somebody wants Duce or Bowles? 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I do enjoy the back and forth between you and Afan. Most times in this recent discussion I lean towards your view point on things....but Afan does raise some good points at times. And I find myself to be much more of an optimist like him in terms of the talent on the roster. 

But sometimes, he just goes so far overboard that you have to laugh at it. 

I've been called an apologist on plenty of occasions, and I want these moves to work out, so I will at times tie myself in knots trying to find their logic.  But, the most recent season was not the culmination of a string of bad luck, but the string of bad personnel evaluations, poor money management, and poor coaching decisions.  We've eliminated the head coach (and hopefully a new coach can correct the misguided steps in player development), but we still have the primary guy involved in personnel evaluation and money allocation.  Those, to me, were far more egregious issues than the HC.  Because he was forced to rely on Alshon, whom everyone knew was going to be injured, and Desean, whom everyone knew (and even afan admitted) would be missing some games, forced Doug to have to force feed some young WRs before they were ready, because they literally had no one else.  But, better self-awareness of the limits of this roster, and prioritizing WR with a proven vet that was likely to be healthy, when the other vets were known and expected to be injured was just setting this team up for failure.   It was a risk, and that risk blew up in their face.  And where I come from, the person who decides to take the risk, should be the one to pay for that decision.   Instead... Doug is gone, Howie remains and will be doing it all over again.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Nope. He's very much in play (no matter what anyone says).

Even if he doesn't get hired, he'll say "I wanted to stay at Oklahoma the whole time" because of recruiting.

I just said I'm not interested.  That alone should remove him from being in play.   Howie needs to listen to me.

8 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

As opposed to Duce or Bowles? 

Sure... they are the only other options.   

 

How about this:  I'm not interested in reliving the failed experiments of the past where college coaches come to the NFL, can't recruit the best players anymore, and struggle to adapt to the rigors of the NFL schedule versus the laid back college vibe.  How many Sabans, Petrinos, Holtz, Spurriers, Kellys, etc. do we need to see before we recognize that an NFL HC's first taste of the NFL should not be as the HC.  

 

Duce and Bowles are not my preference either, but at least they have an NFL pedigree.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You'd have to get an interview first, sport.  

Crap.   I'm not interested in the HC spot.  I want the GM chair.  That's a nearly lifetime appointment!

24 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Said it on here, or maybe on another page but...

Urban should trade back, get a kings ransom and take Trey Lance. Lance is a stronger, faster, better thrower than Lawrence.  Lance doesn't have the knowledge yet, which is what Urban does best IMO. 

 

What has Meyer done in his years of coaching that makes you believe he can mold a QB? (let's not even talk about talent/players in general). I'm curious to see his staff as he builds it.  Which is ironic unto itself that the Jags have been courting him for a while and he's just now reaching out to build a staff?!?!  He's going to epically fail down there and the Jags and their fans are done with project QB's.

Carroll loves 1985 football. 

I remember asking afan a few weeks ago what he thought of howie and being a bit shocked by the candid response. This recent change in tone is very much the afan I remember. Not sure who that other imposter was. Maybe his emb account got hacked.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Carroll loves 1985 football. 

It's absurd.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've been called an apologist on plenty of occasions, and I want these moves to work out, so I will at times tie myself in knots trying to find their logic.  But, the most recent season was not the culmination of a string of bad luck, but the string of bad personnel evaluations, poor money management, and poor coaching decisions.  We've eliminated the head coach (and hopefully a new coach can correct the misguided steps in player development), but we still have the primary guy involved in personnel evaluation and money allocation.  Those, to me, were far more egregious issues than the HC.  Because he was forced to rely on Alshon, whom everyone knew was going to be injured, and Desean, whom everyone knew (and even afan admitted) would be missing some games, forced Doug to have to force feed some young WRs before they were ready, because they literally had no one else.  But, better self-awareness of the limits of this roster, and prioritizing WR with a proven vet that was likely to be healthy, when the other vets were known and expected to be injured was just setting this team up for failure.   It was a risk, and that risk blew up in their face.  And where I come from, the person who decides to take the risk, should be the one to pay for that decision.   Instead... Doug is gone, Howie remains and will be doing it all over again.

I agree, Howie should be flushed down the toilet. It appears we are stuck with him however.

 

What I do look forward to is a new coach, who has no allegiance to the players who helped win 52. No more playing Alshon over Fulgham, even if Fulgham had a bad game. No more playing Peters over Mailata, even if Mailata has a bad game. I don't know if it was Doug or Howie who made those decisions, and I guess soon enough we'll find out if the new coach has a real voice or not. But I honestly don't know what we really have on this roster in terms of talent. Doug's schemes and use of guys was so baffling, that it's really hard to judge what's what. If we get a coach who wants to use Reagor in space, and as an actual chess piece that can move around and create mismatches, maybe it doesn't look so bad that we took him over Jefferson (who I really think landed in one of the best spots a rookie WR could've landed). 

Aside from Reagor, can Fulgham improve and be a reliable contributor? Can Goedert be used more effectively, or is he too fragile to withstand a starting TE workload? Can Sanders hold up to 15 touches a game, or is he too fragile as well? And can he maintain his YPC over more touches? If we don't take a WR with the 6th pick, I'm actually OK rolling into next year with Watkins and Hightower, at least to see exactly what we have with them, and can they improve? They both at least flashed some ability last year, and it was maddening in a lost year to bury them. 

 We are certainly in for a rebuild, there is no doubt about that. And Howie has completely destroyed the cap. But, in Howie's favour, he did work us out of the cap issues we had when Chip was turfed. Considering Jeff isn't about to fire him, I am a little bit optimistic Howie can work us out of this as well. By the same token, if Howie was fired tomorrow, I'd be a very happy fan.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

It's absurd.

And so predictable. 

20 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Of the guys interviewed or scheduled to interview, only Brady and Mayo excite me (Saleh did too, but that's point is now moot.). If Duce can't manage the RB rotation, how's he gonna manage the complex decisions this team has to make in 2021 and 2022?

He’s not. **** loser Howie Bozeman will do ALL the thinking for him.

1 minute ago, no1birdsfan said:

He’s not. **** loser Howie Bozeman will do ALL the thinking for him.

Is this Manu's burner account? Can you change your avatar please? 

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

What has Meyer done in his years of coaching that makes you believe he can mold a QB? (let's not even talk about talent/players in general). I'm curious to see his staff as he builds it.  Which is ironic unto itself that the Jags have been courting him for a while and he's just now reaching out to build a staff?!?!  He's going to epically fail down there and the Jags and their fans are done with project QB's.

Jags have fans?   

 

Urban Meyer will just be another name to add to the list of failed college football lifers that dried up and withered away in the NFL.    I'm curious exactly how many coaches made that leap successfully without ever having any taste of the NFL first?   Jimmy Johnson is the only one I can think of.  And if not for the ridiculous Hershel Walker trade, I don't think he has a chance of that success.  If he had been forced to build the 'traditional' way, he'd have had a much tougher road.

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Is this Manu's burner account? Can you change your avatar please? 

Lol. I saw the post and was like, "I don’t remember posting that.”

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jags have fans?   

 

Urban Meyer will just be another name to add to the list of failed college football lifers that dried up and withered away in the NFL.    I'm curious exactly how many coaches made that leap successfully without ever having any taste of the NFL first?   Jimmy Johnson is the only one I can think of.  And if not for the ridiculous Hershel Walker trade, I don't think he has a chance of that success.  If he had been forced to build the 'traditional' way, he'd have had a much tougher road.

Funny, I was just reading up on the Walker trade again....there's an unsung hero in that trade, Darrin Nelson, who refused to play for the Cowboys (I'm not sure exactly why). God Bless Darrin Nelson!

Listening to BwF podcast. Berman said he’s heard that Alabama expects to get Stoutland, but he wasn’t sure if that was a matter of the Eagles letting him out of his deal or him waiting to see who the next Eagles coach is. 

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

We are certainly in for a rebuild, there is no doubt about that. And Howie has completely destroyed the cap. But, in Howie's favour, he did work us out of the cap issues we had when Chip was turfed. Considering Jeff isn't about to fire him, I am a little bit optimistic Howie can work us out of this as well. By the same token, if Howie was fired tomorrow, I'd be a very happy fan.

He was able to unload Byron Maxwell and Demarco Murray... if he can find a landing spot to unload some of these contracts, then we have a chance to get the cap right a little quicker.   But in order to do that, they first need to get under the cap.   Also, they weren't tied to a big QB deal back then.  So, that was a major difference as well.  Also, he hadn't been kicking the can for about 4-6 years before that to pile up on him all at once, like he did since the Super Bowl.   Now, he has huge money sunk into aging players that it will be hard to move, even for basically no return.  But, he needs to, in order to get out from under this albatross he's wrapped around his own neck.

 

Graham needs to be traded, to lower his cap number by just under $1M this year, but to eliminate the cost for 2022.
Cox needs to be considered to be moved... 
Brooks, Johnson have to be possibilities...
McLeod is nearly impossible to move now with his ACL, but that would be another contract to move on from.
He can undo the stupid from last offseason and consider trading Slay and/or Hargrave too.

But it just baffles me that the one who dug the hole gets to dig out.   None of the moves over the last 3 years really stands out and can be evaluated as a 'good move'.  Not really at the time, without twisting, and definitely not in hindsight.   Adding older players and paying them big money is dumb, even if you are trying to maintain a championship window.   If that's the goal, then you bring in the older players at low prices, because they are motivated for the championship chase, not the almighty dollar.  That was Chris Long and LaGarrette Blount.  As opposed to the Jacksons... they were in it for the money, not the championship.  That's fine for them, and they are welcome to pursue things in that way, because they do have a limited earning potential.  But, as the GM, one needs to be smarter than that and find the bargains that have something left in the tank to give you, not buy from the bargain rack but pay premium prices.  That's ludicrous.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I'd prefer we have a coach before next week but Lurie thinks getting the last coach is best.

The last time we beat a team for a coach it was getting Chip Kelly over the Browns getting him.  

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I agree, Howie should be flushed down the toilet. It appears we are stuck with him however.

 

What I do look forward to is a new coach, who has no allegiance to the players who helped win 52. No more playing Alshon over Fulgham, even if Fulgham had a bad game. No more playing Peters over Mailata, even if Mailata has a bad game. I don't know if it was Doug or Howie who made those decisions, and I guess soon enough we'll find out if the new coach has a real voice or not. But I honestly don't know what we really have on this roster in terms of talent. Doug's schemes and use of guys was so baffling, that it's really hard to judge what's what. If we get a coach who wants to use Reagor in space, and as an actual chess piece that can move around and create mismatches, maybe it doesn't look so bad that we took him over Jefferson (who I really think landed in one of the best spots a rookie WR could've landed). 

Aside from Reagor, can Fulgham improve and be a reliable contributor? Can Goedert be used more effectively, or is he too fragile to withstand a starting TE workload? Can Sanders hold up to 15 touches a game, or is he too fragile as well? And can he maintain his YPC over more touches? If we don't take a WR with the 6th pick, I'm actually OK rolling into next year with Watkins and Hightower, at least to see exactly what we have with them, and can they improve? They both at least flashed some ability last year, and it was maddening in a lost year to bury them. 

 We are certainly in for a rebuild, there is no doubt about that. And Howie has completely destroyed the cap. But, in Howie's favour, he did work us out of the cap issues we had when Chip was turfed. Considering Jeff isn't about to fire him, I am a little bit optimistic Howie can work us out of this as well. By the same token, if Howie was fired tomorrow, I'd be a very happy fan.

agree with this.

 

and for me, part of the problem (and why I'm happy to burn the whole thing down and start over) is the inconsistencies coming from MGT.  So, Jeffrey understood that this was going to be a big down year and when we'd finally pay for trying to milk another SB out of that team but Doug was playing to win in the short term...got it.  That explains why once Alshon, and Djax were healthy again Doug went back to them, right?  Except Howie set the inactives each week...and instead of making Alshon and Djax inactive so Doug couldn't use them, they stayed active?

And then as the owner, you witness this dichotomy all season long and your first thought after the season is "ok, let's hear what Doug's plan is for the future."  You didn't know right then and there that even philosophically he was the wrong coach at the wrong time, let alone watching the offense go stale?

On the draft, ok given Jeffrey's thinking, maybe Hurts was a longer term play - QB factory and all.  But you're telling me they really didn't see some greater building block for a rebuilding team there?

How do you explain letting Peters hold the team up for ransom?  Was that just a fear that you were going to get your QBs killed?  Or was someone still blinded by the ghost of JP past?

When I hear each person talk by themselves, I say "ok, I can see where they are coming from (mostly)."  But the actions don't match the words for me in many cases.

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. I saw the post and was like, "I don’t remember posting that.”

Wait until you get a little older, it will happen to you and it will have been you that posted it.

14 hours ago, austinfan said:

Mike Wallace WAS a better option, a proven deep threat who had almost 800 yards and was NEVER injured in his 9 year career.

Again, hindsight is always 20/20.

Stop with the hindsight is 20/20.

It is a worthwhile caveat when evaluating outcomes in the singular. However, as examples of outcomes accrue the singular becomes EVIDENCE. One would hope the evaluation of EVIDENCE is 20/20.

Many here suggest that there is sufficient EVIDENCE that Howie has been suboptimal in his roster construction and management.

I don't care if Lurie is making the picks, Howie is making the picks, or if Howie is just a consensus builder. IT IS NOT WORKING! We cannot remove Lurie. Therefore, the logical change to suggest is to remove Howie.

Have absolutely no interest in Duce as a HC and wouldn't be even a little excited if that was the hire.

Huge mistake if it happens.

Apparently Wade Phillips is looking to come out of retirement and coach again.

So I have to ask, what is everyone's thoughts to bring him in as a DC?

7 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

When I hear each person talk by themselves, I say "ok, I can see where they are coming from (mostly)."  But the actions don't match the words for me in many cases.

Exactly.

If their actions fit the narrative, then fine they are telling the truth.  But, the actions don't fit the narrative they are spinning.   Their actions showed a team in complete disarray.

Free Agency - Trade away draft picks for Slay, who won't be here when the rebuild is over?   That was a win now move.  Sign a DT to big money, but don't cut ties with the other expensive old DT that was a wasted spot last year?   Not rebuilding, and saving money for the future... that was another win now move.  If they were truly in 'rebuild mode' in the offseason, then they don't sign anyone, least of all pay draft picks for the right to do it.  

Draft - Win now mode?   No, bring in a bunch of raw players with no offseason and try to coach them up on the fly... while being forced to rely on them because the veterans can't play either.

 

I get that they were in win-now mode in 2018, 2019.   And rightly so.  But the issue with Howie is how he went about it.  He had leverage with the Super Bowl in 2017, but didn't use it to get players to come in at lower prices to compete.  He overpaid.   And mercenaries do what mercenaries do.  They make sure that they get theirs.   They need their snaps, their playing time and their stats.  Much better off bringing in the hungry vet who just wants a championship.  Teams have done that in the past and benefitted from players playing above their pay grade, just for the thrill of the championship.  We had that with Blount (1 year, $1.2M), Long (2 years, $6M), Robinson (1 year, $1M)... all tiny deals, and all of them cost about the same in total than a single year average for Malik Jackson(~$7M).