2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

My friend, an extremely knowledgeable Giants fan

False on both counts

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jags have fans?   

 

Urban Meyer will just be another name to add to the list of failed college football lifers that dried up and withered away in the NFL.    I'm curious exactly how many coaches made that leap successfully without ever having any taste of the NFL first?   Jimmy Johnson is the only one I can think of.  And if not for the ridiculous Hershel Walker trade, I don't think he has a chance of that success.  If he had been forced to build the 'traditional' way, he'd have had a much tougher road.

Jimmy was followed up by who?  So you can kinda go there as well.  Same team and reaping from the Walker trade.  I think the narrative can change, but it's gonna be someone like Chris Peterson who needs a chance.

Any news on Joe Brady?

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We should take nominations and put it to a vote.  

My nominations:

Sean Payton

Ezekiel Elliot

Pete Carroll

Eli Manning

Max Kellerman

Jeremy Schockey

Joe Buck

Edited as per my opinions

 

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

HC only?  Or can we assemble a complete staff of Minority coaches for like 10 extra picks? 

 

 

You don't get picks for hiring, you get picks for losing them to another team

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We should take nominations and put it to a vote.  

My nominations:

Sean Payton

Ezekiel Elliot

Sydney Crosby

Chipper Jones

Terrell Owens

Eli Manning

Max Kellerman

Jeremy Schockey

Chris Collinsworthless

Joe Buck

Jerry Jones

Robert Kraft

1 minute ago, AzBirdGang said:

Any news on Joe Brady?

Yeah it was reported today, he isn't related to Tom. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

We should take nominations and put it to a vote.  

My nominations:

Sean Payton

Ezekiel Elliot

Pete Carroll

Eli Manning

Max Kellerman

Jeremy Schockey

Joe Buck

Chris Collinsworth

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

You don't get picks for hiring, you get picks for losing them to another team

Wait WHAT?  LOL Ok so lets hire a bunch at really low wages so other teams poach them... LOL J/K

Just now, Ipiggles said:

Yeah it was reported today, he isn't related to Tom. 

Also not related to anyone in the Brady bunch. 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Apparently Wade Phillips is looking to come out of retirement and coach again.

So I have to ask, what is everyone's thoughts to bring him in as a DC?

No...3-4 guy.  Older DC's are dinosaurs.  The 3-4 has no place in todays NFL without premium talent to run a 4-2, which is essentially a hybrid 3-3

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You don't get picks for hiring, you get picks for losing them to another team

So if Duce leaves to be an OC we would get picks? 

I can't wait for this Duce as HC nonsense to end

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if Duce leaves to be an OC we would get picks? 

Buh Bye Duce, dont let the door hit you too hard

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

No...3-4 guy.  Older DC's are dinosaurs.  The 3-4 has no place in todays NFL without premium talent to run a 4-2, which is essentially a hybrid 3-3

If the Eagles hired Joe Brady I actually want a defensive coordinator who’s had experience in the league for a while. I kind a like the way the Rams did it with Sean McVay when he first came into the league as a head coach. Doesn’t have to be wade just in general I like that type of pairing for Joe Brady

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if Duce leaves to be an OC we would get picks? 

No, I think its for HC and GM hiring's only

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Which makes.....ZERO SENSE!!

It’s the same as compensatory picks for players who leave via FA to other teams; you drafted and developed them, so you get the compensation instead of the team that poaches them

17 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Why do we keep going back when we know it's going to burn like an Elon rocket coming out?

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't wait for this Duce as HC nonsense to end

This is what I kind of feel like it’s going to happen with Duce. He’s not gonna get a head coaching job this time. He is gonna wind up leaving the Eagles and probably go to Kansas City when Bieniemy takes a job. In two years,  he will be sought after and leave the Chiefs for a head-coaching job and they will get the picks. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

In my defense:

1) I've criticized moves, never like the Jeffrey extension, 

 

2) Howie made a deliberate decision to try and get back to the SB in 2018 and 2019, 

 

3) People assume that if you don't draft X you would have drafted Y, in reality, you probably would have drafted Z, 

 

4) Howie is at his best rebuilding, and I don't think Howie and Lurie will ever fall into the "we're just a player or two away" trap again, 

 

5) 2020 doesn't really matter, the extensions were made for the 2019 run, Slay isn't a big deal, he can probably be dealt for a 3rd if they want to go that route.

 

6) Hurts v Wentz v drafting a QB at #6. 

For starters, I like you.  You bring a different perspective and I thank you for it.

 

1 - Jeffery is indefensible.  It was a decent decision in 2018.  It was a moronic decision after 2018.  Giving Jeffery that guarantee after undercutting his QB showed that they weren't really understanding the dynamic very well.   And you don't align with a WR over a QB if you intend to sign the QB to a mega-deal right after that.  Stupid.

2 - No one is arguing that decision.  The issue isn't that he tried to do that, its how he tried to do it.  Big money, to older players.  Bad draft picks.  Pretty much all these moves that he tried have failed.   That's the reality.  The NFL is a performance based league.  Win or lose.  Its not about who you liked in the draft that couldn't draft... that's not how it works.  Its a zero sum game.   You need to get your guy, not let another team get him.  AND, there's more than ONE guy in any draft.  Find another guy, if your guy is taken.   And if there's no one else... then give away everything else to get that one guy.  I mean, if the whole draft rises or falls with that guy, then you have to get him.

3 - No.  I assume that if you draft player X and he completely sucks, that your evaluation and/or selection process is completely flawed.  It has nothing to do with player Y or Z.    In other words, JJAW sucks.  Never should have been the selection - period.

4 - I don't trust that Howie and Jeff aren't still sitting there thinking that the Super Bowl was 100% because of their genius and that Doug and Reich just went along for the ride.   I don't trust them to not stick their noses in where their noses don't belong... i.e. anything to do with anyone on the field.

5 - 2020 does matter.  Because they doubled down with Slay and Hargrave.  And if 2020 was just about a rebuild, then shame shame shame on them, because that was the WORST start to a rebuild I've ever seen where old and busted players are not just out there, but put into games over players that have a potential future and were performing well above expectations.   Desean and Alshon could have been dropped this past year for minimal cost (same cost as adding Slay and Hargrave) and just leaned hard into the rebuild, bring Desean back, while biting the bullet on Alshon with an injury settlement and finding a guy that could provide something on the field for 2020 at the WR position.   And if they can find a trade partner for Slay and recoup that 3rd round pick (which I highly doubt), that's STILL a terrible move, because of the actual cost.   They dumped money into him $14M in signing bonus and salary for 2020.  If they can't unload him the costs go up.   AND... they gave away a 3rd and a 5th.  Even if they can get the 3rd back, that's still a drop in value, equivalent of a full round LATER than it would have been.  Theoretically, that 3rd spent on Slay could have been sent forward to a 2nd in 2021.  Or... crazy notion, selecting a player that could have helped this team this past year AND in the future, for less than a $14M commitment.  I was a fan of Cameron Dantzler in the draft process.  He could have been taken with that 3rd round pick instead... and maybe they'd have a CB for more than 1 year... Dantzler is only 22.

6 - I don't want to get into that now.  

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No, I think its for HC and GM hiring's only

I dont get the, : we will reward teams who LOSE a minority coach". Should they not be rewarding those that HIRE the coach?  Seems a bit backward to me, but hey, much of what goes on today seems that way to me. Like asking for the government to send out money to you, or buy you stuff or pay for stuff,  just so they have to tax everyone more (key note here, this includes you) to pay for it. 

29 minutes ago, hputenis said:

SMH.  While he easily has the most punchable face on planet earth, this is a ridiculous take.  He's a top coach in the league, has his team in or deep into the playoffs almost every single year for a very long period of time, and for the last 2 seasons has proven he can plug in a back-up QB for a shorter period of time and almost not skip a beat.  His 2 back-up QBs the last 2 years are 8-1.  That's unheard of, and it's because he's a great coach.  

I posted his playoff history with the Saints a few pages back, lemme go find it...

 

Sean Payton and the Saints are completely overrated. Regular season heroes, but playoff chumps. To wit:

2006, after the Katrina nightmare, they have an emotional season, beat Philly for their first playoff win, but come up flat in the NFC Champ game against the Bears, losing 39-14. Playoff record: 1-1 

They don't go back to the playoffs till 2009, where they end up winning it all. Playoff record 4-1.

2010, they get Beast Quaked outta the offs by 7-9 Seattle. Playoff record 4-2.

2011, back again, beating the Lions (like every single team that's ever played them in the playoffs has done), then losing a close one to San Fran. Playoff record 5-3.

2013 they return, beating us again, then losing to Seattle in the divisional round. Playoff record 6-4.

2017 is the next apperance! Losing in spectacular fashion, the Minnesota Miracle or whatever the hell it was. They did beat Carolina in the first round though. Playoff record 7-5.

2018, ah more crying when they lose to the Rams in OT, and of course, they beat us before getting to that game. Playoff record 8-6.

2019 - Lol, one and done with Minnesota again in OT. Playoff record at 8-7.

So, over 14 years, they've gone to the offs 8 times, winning it all once, and making 3 conference championships, of which they lost 2. 

 

They have completely owned us in the playoffs unfortunately. But the Saints are one of the most overrated teams in football. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I dont get the, : we will reward teams who LOSE a minority coach". Should they not be rewarding those that HIRE the coach?  Seems a bit backward to me, but hey, much of what goes on today seems that way to me. Like asking for the government to send out money to you, or buy you stuff or pay for stuff,  just so they have to tax everyone more (key note here, this includes you) to pay for it. 

Hiring makes it too obvious

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if Duce leaves to be an OC we would get picks? 

This would be fantastic.  

4 hours ago, greend said:

Are you on crack? Hurts hasn't shown sheet

??? That's what I said Hurts hasn't shown enough to warrant giving up on Wentz