People also seem to struggle to grasp that "rebuild" is not the same as "reload."

When you have a core of players in their prime or younger, and have a bad year, you have a good draft, sign a couple guys, shuffle the deck chairs and often rebound. Usually those off years for a good team just reflect bad injury luck or bad bounce seasons.

When you've aged out like the Eagles have, then there's no point shuffling the deck chairs, so who cares if we could have signed someone this past offseason instead of DeSean and Jeffrey, the team needed to be blown up and rebuilt. Which is why the actual outcome turns out to be the best outcome. #6 and #38 give us two good shots at starters, a lot of kids auditioned last year, more will this year. Most of the over 30 veterans will be out of here in two seasons.

For me, I'd be happy to shore up the OL, add youth to the defense and find out if Reagor, Fulgham, Watkins, Hightower can play, audition some young WRs off the street, check out the H-back candidates and so on. I don't care if they go 4-12 next year as long as most of the snaps are going to younger players, and we sort out who has upside and who should be given walking papers. Now you don't want to go to extremes, with young DL they're better off rotating in as rookies, young DBs can use one or two veterans who can tell them where to line up, etc. Which is why I see this as a two year process where the kids gradually push out the remaining veterans.

 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well the NFL is at it's heart a meritocracy. So, the hiring team is going to hire the best candidate for the job, and that should be their reward. 

and you know my feelings on that

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Well it seems kind of backward to me. You can hire and develop the assistant coaches all you want, it still takes someone else to actually hire them into the top positions to achieve the goal. You get rewarded when you yourself have NOT hired that coach into a top position?  

Now I do get the goal is to increase the ratio of minority coaches in the NFL in total. Just not sure this is how I would do that. And again I admit there is never a perfect system.  

But how is it backward? You develop the coaches to a point that they go out and get hired. Like any coaching tree in the league. By doing so, you're rewarded with draft picks. Generally if people are hiring coaches from your tree, you have a stable head coach in place and don't need to hire guys to replace them. 

I've seen 9 nipples in the past 4 days in here. 

 

 

Counter back to 0 days without a shirtless pic/selfie 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I've seen 9 nipples in the past 4 days in here. 

 

 

Counter back to 0 days without a shirtless pic/selfie 

Take it to the boobs and butts thread

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I realize we were basically just as successful as they were the last 14 years....much more so the last 20.  I was strictly speaking over the next 14 years, of which I have little confidence in at the moment.  

You think New Orleans has a rosy outlook ahead? Somehow, they're in worse cap position than we are, and while they do have a shot at a Super Bowl this year, if they don't win it, they're in big trouble. Brees is likely done. You think Taysom "I can't beat Jalen Hurts" Hill is the QB answer for them? 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The owner, Lurie, has said there was an effort to keep the band together.  As you point out, for too long.  I think you and Afan actually agree on this to some degree.  And I think what he is pointing out is that in the light of what the Eagles were doing with a team with some age already on it, was not unreasonable.   Contrast BG, Chris Long. and Curry with Desean, Wallace and Alshon (and Jeffery wasn’t old when extended). Relatively healthy v signed and fell apart.  

The difference between BG and Chris Long is the MONEY.   Difference with Curry and Desean, Wallace and Alshon... the money.  

Alshon wasn't 'old' when extended after 2017.  But, the change in his contract after 2018 is the issue.  I've got no issue with them resigning him after the Super Bowl.  I was ready to move on to Allen Robinson at that time, (similar players, but Robinson has always had more juice)... and part of that was my obsession with Robinson.   But, resigning Jeffery couldn't be argued against in all seriousness.  Restructuring him after he backstabbed the QB, and you just drafted 'his replacement', right after resigning the QB that he backstabbed to a megadeal?   Yeah, that made no sense.

I've said it to afan all along, the issue wasn't trying to get back to the Super Bowl, the issue was how they went about it.  Bring back vets, but let them know it has to be at a discount, because you can't afford to overpay.  But, they overpaid for BG (whom by the way, I've been a huge fan of and I was one of the few who was actually very happy that we drafted him over Earl Thomas and JPP).  I love BG and want him to retire an Eagle legend.  But, that contract is How to be a Bad GM 101.  Its 100% paying for past performance and tying your hands for the future.  Just a bad execution.  Bringing BG back was good.  Bringing BG back on that contract was very bad.   

Wallace wasn't even a bad move, just not a particularly good one.  Yes, healthy for his career, but when players are over 30, they are just more prone to injury.  That's the reality.  BUT... it was a fairly low money, and no commitment move.  So, not a bad one.  Just not good.   Desean was a terrible move.  Trade for him, and its Wallace all over again.  No commitment.  But, rather than dealing with the present, I think Howie was trying to make up for the handling of Desean in the past and trying to appease him with this new contract.  Sorry, that doesn't matter any more.  Blame Chip, Chip is gone.  Come here on your deal and prove you can still play.  But, instead he gave him a new contract.  Frankly, Desean should have been a 1 year guy too, and they moved on after 2019... just like with Alshon... gone after 2019.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I've seen 9 nipples in the past 4 days in here. 

 

 

Counter back to 0 days without a shirtless pic/selfie 

I’m surprised mcginley has had like a shirtless Batman like signal to come back to the blog 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You think New Orleans has a rosy outlook ahead? Somehow, they're in worse cap position than we are, and while they do have a shot at a Super Bowl this year, if they don't win it, they're in big trouble. Brees is likely done. You think Taysom "I can't beat Jalen Hurts" Hill is the QB answer for them? 

Not only that i wouldn’t be shocked if Payton abandons ship as well. I think he might stay in 2021 but leave for another opening in 2022

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Maybe he was just a pioneer for analytics though!!!  He was the only other one I could think of...off the top of my head...coming off of a night shift!

Actually, I think the Urban Meyer hire is rather similar to the Barry Switzer hire.  I think Barry Switzer could have been a good NFL head coach, except he was 57 years old and had been out of coaching for about 6 years by the time he went to DAL.  He was semi-retired in almost every sense.

Meyer is similar.  Out of coaching for 3 years, 56 years old, and I’m pretty sure he’s jumping to JAX for the money, more than to coach Trevor Lawrence.  Time will tell

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Anderson wanted to rejoin Ruhle, and he wasn't worth a gross overpay given his meh career with the Jets.

People forget what "free agent" means, the player is free to choose where to go, and usually money is only one consideration (do I want to be rich and happy, or richer and unhappy?).

 

Yes.  He has those options.  But, you are changing the argument now.  You said he was never available.  That's false.  And yes, a minor overpay for a YOUNG player makes sense at your worst position.  A major overpay for an OLD player makes no sense at your worst position.  Even if Anderson's not the move... other moves would have been better than Desean... just about any.

He must be a great recruiter because I can’t imagine he can coach fundamentals worth a lick. 

31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if Duce leaves to be an OC we would get picks? 

That's my assumption and I posted that earlier.  We should be cheering for other teams to want Duce.  They bring him on board and COMP PICKS!!!

I'm going to say it again.  The NFL is now using minorities as bargaining chips.  Why they are OK with this is just behind silliness.

What's next an extra $10 million if you hire a gay coach?

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Reported that he made calls before his first interview to coaches around the league

Look at the list of dog **** qb's he had in his years that were good

What are you talking about, before Florida he rode Alex Smith to jobs where he had a 5 star recruit at QB every year of his college career.  Even at Florida he rode a Spurrier built team for 2 years.  Then his ability to recruit caught up with his inability to coach.  So he feigned a health problem, only to ride a top 3 destination in the steps of a POS who honestly could have gotten Ohio the death penalty if they followed the same rules SMU had to fall under back in the day. 

Do we get picks if we start more white guys to actually play in the game

That would be cool

14 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Brooks didn't re-injure his same achilles.

Neither did Ryans or Hicks.  It was the other one for both of them as well.

25 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This would be fantastic.  

Too bad that NO teams have interest in Duce...yet people want him coaching the Eagles?

What does everyone think of the John Kincade show on 97.5 the fanatic. I don't see it as a major improvement over the prior show with Marc Farzetta. They should have gotten rid of Cooney while they were re-branding. Dude just constantly ****es and complains about everything.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m surprised mcginley has had like a shirtless Batman like signal to come back to the blog 

You have to say vegan/steroid to get him here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

damn it!

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's my assumption and I posted that earlier.  We should be cheering for other teams to want Duce.  They bring him on board and COMP PICKS!!!

I'm going to say it again.  The NFL is now using minorities as bargaining chips.  Why they are OK with this is just behind silliness.

What's next an extra $10 million if you hire a gay coach?

I think it only applies to becoming a head coach and GM. Why i asked. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

You have to say vegan/steroid to get him here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

damn it!

Don’t worry it’s like beetle juice. Have to say it three times. 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People also seem to struggle to grasp that "rebuild" is not the same as "reload."

When you have a core of players in their prime or younger, and have a bad year, you have a good draft, sign a couple guys, shuffle the deck chairs and often rebound. Usually those off years for a good team just reflect bad injury luck or bad bounce seasons.

When you've aged out like the Eagles have, then there's no point shuffling the deck chairs, so who cares if we could have signed someone this past offseason instead of DeSean and Jeffrey, the team needed to be blown up and rebuilt. Which is why the actual outcome turns out to be the best outcome. #6 and #38 give us two good shots at starters, a lot of kids auditioned last year, more will this year. Most of the over 30 veterans will be out of here in two seasons.

For me, I'd be happy to shore up the OL, add youth to the defense and find out if Reagor, Fulgham, Watkins, Hightower can play, audition some young WRs off the street, check out the H-back candidates and so on. I don't care if they go 4-12 next year as long as most of the snaps are going to younger players, and we sort out who has upside and who should be given walking papers. Now you don't want to go to extremes, with young DL they're better off rotating in as rookies, young DBs can use one or two veterans who can tell them where to line up, etc. Which is why I see this as a two year process where the kids gradually push out the remaining veterans.

 

They aged out because they went with players like Desean and Alshon. 

• If you signed older players with no commitment, then you didn't paint yourself into a corner.  Leaving room to manuever for other YOUNG talent.
• If you signed the younger players with talent, instead of the older players with huge salaries who never get on the field, maybe you didn't actually 'age out'.
• If you don't trade away draft picks for players that offer nothing to your roster, maybe you'd have the ammunition you need to target the player you really wanted, instead of having to settle for the one that fell to you.
• If you don't suck at identifying young talent in the draft, and trying to fill holes through the draft... or you didn't get cute drafting a backup TE in Round 2 to stick it to your rival, but focused on getting younger foundational position players, you might not have aged out.

 

This isn't about 1 or 2 moves, but an institutional failure, with all roads leading back to Howie/Lurie... Lowie.

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think the general idea is that head coach positions are generally pulled from O and D co-ordinators, and re-tread ex head coaches. Yes, there are some positional coaches that make the jump to HC, but it's not the norm I don't believe.

So, to encourage teams to develop positional coaches into co-ordinators and eventually HC's, the NFL is trying to incentivize it with draft picks. It may not work out, and become so lopsided that you only see minorities being developed. You'd think they will course correct if that happens. I don't know that this is the best way to equalize things, but I do give the NFL credit for at least trying something. 

If this is the case then you should have a value attached to each position coach in the NFL (no matter the race/ethnicity of the coach) if you want to avoid retread HC.

DC/OC gets hired as a HC- 4th round pick

A position coach gets promoted to DC/OC - 3rd round pick

Position coach gets HC job- 2nd round pick

HC goes to Management- 2nd round pick

and so on down the line.

I think the rule is ridiculous and devalues the job a minority coach is doing.  The more that come up the ranks, the more will get jobs.  NFL teams want to win...at all costs.  Acquiring more draft picks simply by having a coach hired away is going to force teams to want minority coaches on the team just to get the pick when they leave.  

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I've seen 9 nipples in the past 4 days in here. 

 

 

Counter back to 0 days without a shirtless pic/selfie 

I haven't, so I must have the right people on ignore.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's my assumption and I posted that earlier.  We should be cheering for other teams to want Duce.  They bring him on board and COMP PICKS!!!

I'm going to say it again.  The NFL is now using minorities as bargaining chips.  Why they are OK with this is just behind silliness.

What's next an extra $10 million if you hire a gay coach?

I'm pretty sure its only for a HC or GM hiring. Never saw it for assistant coaches. 

6 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I realize we were basically just as successful as they were the last 14 years....much more so the last 20.  I was strictly speaking over the next 14 years, of which I have little confidence in at the moment.  

A lot happens in 14 years.