Eagles will get Adam Gase, yay

The power structure with Howie is no different than any team with a strong GM, except Howie is more consensus oriented than your typical strong GM who are often egotistical micro-managers. Nor does Lurie generally meddle, except when things are ugly.

I think the reason they were concerned with Pederson/Reich in 2016 was because Wentz started hot, then regressed most of the season before improvement the last quarter. That's doesn't inspire confidence in your new HC/OC who are both former QBs whom you hoped would develop your rookie QB. Note they didn't pull the trigger, but they weren't being unreasonable either.

Pederson was his own worst enemy, imagine AR if Reich left for a HC job, I'm sure he'd have a list of every potential OC candidate that could become available, in house and outside, and the plus and minuses of each choice. Then he'd sit down with Howie, and give him a short list to contact to gauge interest, and he'd personally sell the ones interested into taking the job. I don't get the impression that Pederson is organized like that.

Which is why I don't care about what "name" they hire, I want them to hire someone who comes to the interview prepared to take over and get moving on day one, someone who shows that he understands what the job really entails, and not just the Xs and Os aspect.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

That would be music to my ears, if true — but ‘all-star cast of coaches’ is subjective.

The coaching staff or coordinators and assistants is just as important if not more so to me in the head coach search.

BINGO. I wish more would mention/realize this. So many people complain about Duce but if they structure their staff where he is head coach only and they have strong coordinators like Caldwell and Phillips for example that has the potential to be a great staff. Doug's biggest problem over the last couple of years was having a crappy staff/not getting the most out of them.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Meh.  For 4 million a year he's worth bringing back to see if he can become what they expect him to be.  (Or at least close). 

He's a  back of the rotation body to hold the fort until a young pitcher steps up and takes his job. Eat some innings if he can. At this point, anything else is a bonus.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

BINGO. I wish more would mention/realize this. So many people complain about Duce but if they structure their staff where he is head coach only and they have strong coordinators like Caldwell and Phillips for example that has the potential to be a great staff. Doug's biggest problem over the last couple of years was having a crappy staff/not getting the most out of them.

The other thing is you want your coordinators to not just coach, but put together a staff that has potential to take their job and mentor those assistants - you want guys who are good enough to be HC candidates down the road (unless they've aged out) and team oriented enough to not leave a gaping hole behind when they leave.

The writing is on the wall for Arthur Smith. The Eagles love him. It's only a matter of whether he takes the Atlanta job.

45 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The NFL owners care about winning. A good owner would prefer a good coach who can lead his team for 10 years, over two 3rd round comp picks, which are widely overvalued in the Blog especially. So if this rule allows for more minorities to get a chance to land top tier coaching gigs, then so be it. If they are bad coaches anyway, they aren't going to just get hired because COMP PICKZZZZ. 

Again, I get what they are trying to do, I just think it goes about it backwards. I would rather reward those who actually do the promoting. Be more ON point. They are the ones with the risk. 

To your point about draft picks, Draft picks in general are way overvalued. When you consider the hit. Miss rate of drafting, and really considering the Eagles hit/miss rate of drafting, I would rather trade draft picks for young players who already have shown you they can play. Your success rate increases dramatically doing this. But it also means you end up paying more sooner to keep those players. 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The writing is on the wall for Arthur Smith. The Eagles love him. It's only a matter of whether he takes the Atlanta job.

It's honestly odd that they offered him the job...and he hasn't taken it yet.

Howie is not afraid of football men, he brought in Douglas and Weidl, and now Dorsey

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/john-dorsey-eagles-front-office-exec-who-built-two-playoff-teams

Dorsey got fired twice, but obviously not for his drafting, must have some problem interacting with people.

But in an advisory role, giving advice, it's a nice addition to your personnel group.

 

Acknowledging that none of us have access to the crucial information (interview, staff ideas, league-wide recommendations) we'd need to have an informed opinion I think my favorite coaches for the Eagles would be Joe Brady and Arthur Smith. Lincoln Riley would also be on my list but his lack of NFL experience just scares me. I agree with the consensus that hiring a defensive-minded coach sets the stage for an uphill battle keeping good offensive coordinators around. 

Joe Brady:

• I really like that Brady got experience on Sean Payton's staff. We see lots of teams chasing the Shanahan and Reid offenses (and with good reason since all kinds of QBs have been successful in these systems) but not that many trying to duplicate the consistent offensive success of the Saints. Maybe a lot of that is skepticism about whether it all works without a Hall of Famer like Brees at the helm though we've seen them be competitive this year with Taysom Hill, who is obviously extremely limited as a passer. But I like the balance of the Saints offensive attacks. They can always run the ball and the passing game has big-play vertical elements.
• I also like that Brady has recent college experience. As the Eagles rebuild through the draft, it seems like Brady's knowledge of these players could be very valuable.
• Small sample, but I really like that Brady seems to be a QB-whisperer. Burrow is not super gifted athletically and wasn't very accurate until Brady got there. I think Bridgewater should definitely not be any good team's starting QB but Brady had him looking better than I've seen him before.
• I like how Brady's offenses let multiple offensive players eat. At LSU and Carolina, you had at least three receivers and a running back doing damage. Was really impressed at the leap Curtis Samuel took under Brady this year. 
• According to Caplan, Brady would bring a very strong staff. We currently have no DC and the coaching pipeline built by Doug was maybe the worst aspect of his tenure here. Good teams are built by strong staffs and need to have enough good coaches to withstand the attrition that comes with success.
• Cons are obviously Brady's experience level and whether he has the leadership skills to connect with all 53 players and a coaching staff. And whether he can still install and run his scheme with all the added administrative responsibilities of a head coach.

Arthur Smith:

• Has an Andy Reid feel to him. Former O-lineman, has experience coaching several position groups. Reputation for being very smart, innovative and detailed. Probably has whatever is the 2021 equivalent of Reid's famous binder.
• Built a two-year NFL track record of high scoring offenses with scrap-heap QB Ryan Tannehill. Obviously this offense is built around Derrick Henry, but Smith has Tannehill executing at an unbelievable clip in the red zone. So, another QB whisperer.
• A very strong face of the franchise -- no more of Doug's confusing, bumbling press conferences.
• Cons are that we haven't seen him scheme an offense that isn't completely built around a Jim Brown-ish running back . There's no other guy like that out there. And what's Smith's staff look like? It's a plus that he seems to be basically the head coach of the Titans offense like Schwartz was here on D but does Smith have good connections to defensive coaching talent?

 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Again, I get what they are trying to do, I just think it goes about it backwards. I would rather reward those who actually do the promoting. Be more ON point. They are the ones with the risk. 

To your point about draft picks, Draft picks in general are way overvalued. When you consider the hit. Miss rate of drafting, and really considering the Eagles hit/miss rate of drafting, I would rather trade draft picks for young players who already have shown you they can play. Your success rate increases dramatically doing this. But it also means you end up paying more sooner to keep those players.

I think that strategy makes more sense with third day picks where the failure rate is very high, if you can get a young player who maybe is blocked and the team is worried about roster space, you can steal some talent trading later round picks for 2nd year players where you have more information about their ability to adjust to the NFL. Often a team is happy to sell at a discount rather than have to waive a player at the end of camp or to make room for a call up at another position.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles will get Adam Gase, yay

That’s the one guy I don’t want them to hire 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The difference between BG and Chris Long is the MONEY.   Difference with Curry and Desean, Wallace and Alshon... the money.  

Alshon wasn't 'old' when extended after 2017.  But, the change in his contract after 2018 is the issue.  I've got no issue with them resigning him after the Super Bowl.  I was ready to move on to Allen Robinson at that time, (similar players, but Robinson has always had more juice)... and part of that was my obsession with Robinson.   But, resigning Jeffery couldn't be argued against in all seriousness.  Restructuring him after he backstabbed the QB, and you just drafted 'his replacement', right after resigning the QB that he backstabbed to a megadeal?   Yeah, that made no sense.

I've said it to afan all along, the issue wasn't trying to get back to the Super Bowl, the issue was how they went about it.  Bring back vets, but let them know it has to be at a discount, because you can't afford to overpay.  But, they overpaid for BG (whom by the way, I've been a huge fan of and I was one of the few who was actually very happy that we drafted him over Earl Thomas and JPP).  I love BG and want him to retire an Eagle legend.  But, that contract is How to be a Bad GM 101.  Its 100% paying for past performance and tying your hands for the future.  Just a bad execution.  Bringing BG back was good.  Bringing BG back on that contract was very bad.   

Wallace wasn't even a bad move, just not a particularly good one.  Yes, healthy for his career, but when players are over 30, they are just more prone to injury.  That's the reality.  BUT... it was a fairly low money, and no commitment move.  So, not a bad one.  Just not good.   Desean was a terrible move.  Trade for him, and its Wallace all over again.  No commitment.  But, rather than dealing with the present, I think Howie was trying to make up for the handling of Desean in the past and trying to appease him with this new contract.  Sorry, that doesn't matter any more.  Blame Chip, Chip is gone.  Come here on your deal and prove you can still play.  But, instead he gave him a new contract.  Frankly, Desean should have been a 1 year guy too, and they moved on after 2019... just like with Alshon... gone after 2019.

I am not going to defend Howie.  I understand what the motive was but the process was flawed and Jeff needs to realize that while he set the tone for the goal, Howie set the process.  Now, Howie thought he would be seeing an ever expanding cap, but he misplayed it.  This is not the first time that he failed and sought to,fix his failure.  Afan mentioned AR’s "dream team”.  Howie did that.  I am sure he deferred talent selection but he failed there with AR, just like he did with Chip and then Doug and Jim.  So, in essence Howie gets credit for fixing the result that is a product of his methodology.   We had a word for that in business.  Fired.  Do it once, we saw it as growth, twice a pattern we could not risk.  Howie has shown he has not learned and I don’t understand why Jeff keeps giving him another chance. IMHO he has had two chances.  I don’t get why he is getting a third. 

12 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

BINGO. I wish more would mention/realize this. So many people complain about Duce but if they structure their staff where he is head coach only and they have strong coordinators like Caldwell and Phillips for example that has the potential to be a great staff. Doug's biggest problem over the last couple of years was having a crappy staff/not getting the most out of them.

Duce is an example of a likable guy, we loved him as a RB, he seems like a good guy. But from my vantage point, he was NOT a good RB coach or OC or Assistant HC. He was part of the problem with Doug's staff. WHY? 

Because we often abandoned the run, made RB rotation moves at times which were beyond curious, but were more a lack of awareness. 

He in my mind is guilty due to his being involved, and not being able to make a difference. 

 

Yes they could assemble a great staff under Duce that could hide his deficiencies (Like Doug had his first 2 years) But do we really want to go down that road again, only to lose the best guys who make the most difference to HC jobs while we go backwards? 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I've seen 9 nipples in the past 4 days in here. 

 

 

Counter back to 0 days without a shirtless pic/selfie 

Wait, 9? Did someone post a pic of the three-teated chick from Total Recall?

52 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Or you just aren’t here for "The Blog: After Dark”

Is it anything like showtime after dark?

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The power structure with Howie is no different than any team with a strong GM, except Howie is more consensus oriented than your typical strong GM who are often egotistical micro-managers. Nor does Lurie generally meddle, except when things are ugly.

I think the reason they were concerned with Pederson/Reich in 2016 was because Wentz started hot, then regressed most of the season before improvement the last quarter. That's doesn't inspire confidence in your new HC/OC who are both former QBs whom you hoped would develop your rookie QB. Note they didn't pull the trigger, but they weren't being unreasonable either.

Pederson was his own worst enemy, imagine AR if Reich left for a HC job, I'm sure he'd have a list of every potential OC candidate that could become available, in house and outside, and the plus and minuses of each choice. Then he'd sit down with Howie, and give him a short list to contact to gauge interest, and he'd personally sell the ones interested into taking the job. I don't get the impression that Pederson is organized like that.

Which is why I don't care about what "name" they hire, I want them to hire someone who comes to the interview prepared to take over and get moving on day one, someone who shows that he understands what the job really entails, and not just the Xs and Os aspect.

I almost guarantee that the majority of us never thought Doug would have lasted this long.  With Schwartz there as DC there was talk that he'd be HC in waiting after Doug was fired in year 1 sometime.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

He must be a great recruiter because I can’t imagine he can coach fundamentals worth a lick. 

Those who can’t, teach(?).

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

He must be a great recruiter because I can’t imagine he can coach fundamentals worth a lick. 

Maybe he's a great theory vs action guy, like me with dieting....

45 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Phillies are like hey eagles hold. My. Beer. 

 

Ah Vinny Velasquez the poster boy for an underachieving wasted talent. He’d fit perfectly with the Eagles. 
 

As for the Phillies 🤮

Just now, austinfan said:

Howie is not afraid of football men, he brought in Douglas and Weidl, and now Dorsey

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/john-dorsey-eagles-front-office-exec-who-built-two-playoff-teams

Dorsey got fired twice, but obviously not for his drafting, must have some problem interacting with people.

But in an advisory role, giving advice, it's a nice addition to your personnel group.

 

Why would he be afraid of anyone?  He is able to fail completely in every aspect of his job, and now will sit in the same chair for an unprecedented 4th coaching hire.

The Eagles organization is not a meritocracy... it's an amusement of a rich inheritee who appoints people to roles based on his whims... engages in pure nepotism.  I think his wife should be the QB coach.  I bet she has some good ideas.  That would be fun.

For the first time in a long time, supporting the Eagles with time, energy and funds with how the owner has decided to conduct the team feels really stupid.

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Again, I get what they are trying to do, I just think it goes about it backwards. I would rather reward those who actually do the promoting. Be more ON point. They are the ones with the risk. 

To your point about draft picks, Draft picks in general are way overvalued. When you consider the hit. Miss rate of drafting, and really considering the Eagles hit/miss rate of drafting, I would rather trade draft picks for young players who already have shown you they can play. Your success rate increases dramatically doing this. But it also means you end up paying more sooner to keep those players. 

 

 

 

I mean, the hiring team ostensibly gets the benefit of hiring a good coach? It's sort of a win/win. 

4 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Wait, 9? Did someone post a pic of the three-teated chick from Total Recall?

Sadly no, it was a wrestler who had one nip covered by a jacket 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

He must be a great recruiter because I can’t imagine he can coach fundamentals worth a lick. 

Lesson 1, make the tackle at all costs. Even if you have to go through teammates. 

50 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The more the days go by, the more I think they're going to give Duce the job. He's a company guy, grown internally, and probably won't have an issue with the power structure with Roseman. I'd hate the move, but it would all be dependent on who Duce brings in as his coordinators. The problem with that is if the coordinators do their job efficiently, they're most likely out of here in a few seasons getting HC jobs of their own and you're back to square one in finding an adequate replacement. Something that they couldn't do when Reich left. 

Duce seems well-respected among the players and more of a CEO style HC which is great, but I don't think that's sustainable for success if you're at least not innovative and creative in your own right and are instead relying on others to bring that ingenuity to the game-planning or scheme.  

The biggest issue that I have is that Staley, to my knowledge at least, has not had any interviews with any other teams. 

I would not have a problem with Duce, but I don't know much about him as an offensive mind. That's not been the rumors out there. Most of them sound like he's a great leader of men and a technician at his old position, but not much about his contributions to overall offensive scheme and such. If that is the case, then I wouldn't mind him being the guy in a John Harbaugh like situation, though I feel like it would be much the same as we might have had with Doug taking less power and not running the offense. I know that multiple former players love him and think the players will enthusiastically follow him, between Jenkins and Treggs tweets. Get a strong OC, but have a list of them because as the team does well they'll get poached multiple times. yes, I know that this is mostly just common sense.