1 minute ago, RLC said:

If Duce is retained, is it more likely or less likely that we retain Wentz?

I think Doug in general being gone makes it more likely, especially if we hire from in house.

13 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Hiring an NFL coach shouldn't be like putting Rudy in for the last play.

Rudy was Offsides!

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

"There was a disconnect even before Wentz was benched, though. Pederson would call a play only for his quarterback to occasionally kill it for no other reason than his personal distaste, sources said. It became "a pissing match” between the two, another source said.”

And...

"He doesn’t understand that he lost games for us,” a veteran player said. "He will never admit that and that’s a problem because he can’t get it corrected.”

And...

In the quarterback room, when his errors were pointed out, Wentz would sometimes make irrelevant excuses and Taylor wouldn’t correct him. For instance, there would be a play when he didn’t throw to an open receiver. The read was drawn up as designed, the coverage played out as expected, and he would be asked why he didn’t pull the trigger.

And Wentz would say the look wasn’t there, or he would overemphasize the pass rush, and when it was suggested the play be run again in practice as to get it right, he would object.

Alshon

Is McLane in the QB room?

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

It's not the calls at the line, it's the lack of accountability and leadership.   Leaders overcome poor interpersonal relationships to benefit the team.  We all do it at our jobs every day to support our teams and benefit our businesses.  

I take it you never watched the PCs? He always took the accountability

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Because good HCs adjust to circumstances. Pederson wanted an explosive offense, but when you lose your LT and your top OL in Brooks, as well as Seumalo, and Lane is playing on one leg, and DeSean goes down, a smart HC moves away from slow developing routes and focuses on plays that take less than 3 seconds.

And when you have a big QB with a strong arm but who lacks burst, you don't call RPOs that actually require the QB present a threat to run. You know what Wentz can do well, you don't ask him to become Foles (RPO passer) or Hurts.

A smart HC would have pulled back the reins, gone to the conservative short passing game with more emphasis on the run, and used play action and Hightower/Reagor/Watkins to go deep at times to keep safeties honest. It wouldn't be exciting, but as 2019 showed, it could work.

Sometimes you have to accept "you can't always get what you want . . . "

You don’t need a mobile QB to run RPOs. We won a damn Super Bowl running RPOs with Foles. That doesn’t make any sense  

And we saw a lot of plays where Wentz wouldn’t pull the trigger despite staring down his open first read. Our leading receiver was Greg Ward, who runs almost nothing but quick developing routes. 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Duce is retained, is it more likely or less likely that we retain Wentz?

Who the hell knows...

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Duce is retained, is it more likely or less likely that we retain Wentz?

Wentz is your starter week 1 unless hes is injured no matter what HC you hire. 

Yes a group of Eagles fans hate him but through out the league a lot still feel Wentz can be successful in the right system. They will give him his chance to prove it was Doug scheme that failed. If Wentz still struggles then its game over for him by week 4-5 and hes on the trade market before the deadline. 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Duce is retained, is it more likely or less likely that we retain Wentz?

To play this out, wouldn't it depend on the OC and QB coach?   I mean, if the reason Doug was unceremoniously fired was due to wanted to turn OC responsibilities over to Press Taylor, and if its true that Press was too easy on Wentz, then doesn't Press need to go too, and then the new OC and the new QB coach makes everything more interesting, I think.

 

Now, on that Kafka front... If Duce is the HC, then Kafka could see coming here as the OC as a chance to actually get out from under Andy's shadow and write his own story.  Of course, he might prefer to stay in KC as the OC and get more gravitas working on a top offense. 

 

That said, at this point I am starting to think I don't have a clue... so I will let it play out and sit on the side with virtually no opinion... other than being annoyed that Howie remains in his position to screw up the cap and draft selections some more.   I want to get some distance from the Andy Reid past... but it's hard to argue against what AR is getting done in KC since he got there.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To play this out, wouldn't it depend on the OC and QB coach?   I mean, if the reason Doug was unceremoniously fired was due to wanted to turn OC responsibilities over to Press Taylor, and if its true that Press was too easy on Wentz, then doesn't Press need to go too, and then the new OC and the new QB coach makes everything more interesting, I think.

 

Now, on that Kafka front... If Duce is the HC, then Kafka could see coming here as the OC as a chance to actually get out from under Andy's shadow and write his own story.  Of course, he might prefer to stay in KC as the OC and get more gravitas working on a top offense. 

 

That said, at this point I am starting to think I don't have a clue... so I will let it play out and sit on the side with virtually no opinion... other than being annoyed that Howie remains in his position to screw up the cap and draft selections some more.   

Same

 

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Alshon

Is McLane in the QB room?

I take it you never watched the PCs? He always took the accountability

We’ve heard snippets of this over the years but Carson clearly portrays a persona in public that isn’t close to who he is in private.

It’s why someone like Alshon can badmouth him publicly and somehow still remain in the team: everyone in the building, including Carson, knew it was all true.

So disappointed in that young man and explains why his career has stagnated so soon. He is pissing his talents away and has been doing so since his injury.

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

We’ve heard snippets of this over the years but Carson clearly portrays a persona in public that isn’t close to who he is in private.

It’s why someone like Alshon can badmouth him publicly and somehow still remain in the team: everyone in the building, including Carson, knew it was all true.

So disappointed in that young man and explains why his career has stagnated so soon. He is pissing his talents away and has been doing so since his injury.

Alshon remained on the team because of that horrible contract the dope Howie gave him

2 minutes ago, Thrive said:

We’ve heard snippets of this over the years but Carson clearly portrays a persona in public that isn’t close to who he is in private.

It’s why someone like Alshon can badmouth him publicly and somehow still remain in the team: everyone in the building, including Carson, knew it was all true.

So disappointed in that young man and explains why his career has stagnated so soon. He is pissing his talents away and has been doing so since his injury.

I dont want to read anything you post anymore

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Duce is retained, is it more likely or less likely that we retain Wentz?

I think Wentz is the guy regardless of the coach.  

The Eagles plain and simple are not ready to give up on Wentz.  We are going to have a new coach, new scheme, system, etc.  I'd imagine they want to cater everything to his strengths.  If Carson still struggles then it's time to move on possibly to Hurts.

Whoever the new coach is, he wont be tied to Wentz.  So if he plays bad, he can sit him if need be.  

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Alshon remained on the team because of that horrible contract the dope Howie gave him

yup

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Alshon remained on the team because of that horrible contract the dope Howie gave him

Ostensibly but didn’t he get his contract redone at the beginning of the 2019 season, after that first (so-called) hit piece? And after that hit piece, didnt Carson do some damage control with his weird press conference?

Then Alshon did it again in the 2019 season. Perhaps not releasing him the second time was contract related but, in either case, a healthy team would have figured out a way to get rid of a player publicly and recklessly critiquing the franchise quarterback. The fact that Alshon is still here speaks volumes IMO.

That article was damning to wentz, pederson and press Taylor.

The obvious is the wentz in the article with the quotes from some of the sources that were made about downplaying his mistakes or making excuses with press Taylor in film study. Or not knowing when to get rid of the ball. Or isolating himself or certain teammates that he trusted or in ability to be coached or taking proper accountability  

the pederson one for his offense becoming stale. The fact he used reich and deflippo to be good cop bad cop when they were here and then when they left basically didn’t want to do that and just let Taylor do it. And doug didn’t know what to do with scangarello’s coaching ability.

Add on coaches inside the locker room realized that Taylor wasn’t the right coach for the job. he just overlooked the fact he wasn’t doing a good job and yet Doug’s solution to the problem to Lurie was promoting Taylor again? Like seriously? He had to be trying to get fired at that point.

Article also talks about mistrust from wentz to doug and I’m guessing vice versa. Play calling was called dubious (and stale) in the article to the point where wentz went rogue with kills at random times. Tells me wentz didn’t trust Doug’s play calling and began free lancing. Don’t know if wentz even audibles to a play that counters to the defense out there which if it didn’t then that play was doomed and on him. and doug likely didn’t go after him hard enough for doing so nor try to re-establish the trust of his QB as meetings later were canceled and based off the article he let press Taylor and scangarello try to be reich and deflippo good cop bad cop  

on both wentz and doug the only time doug and wentz talked were in install meetings after their Thursday chats were eliminated. Wentz needs to be the bigger person and just bite the bullet and do it even if you are unhappy. Only way to solve issues is communication and working through it. As a coach it’s your job to be hard on your players and do things you don’t want to do but have to do. Yet he just gave up and stopped.

press Taylor gets run through the mud multiple times in this as well.

obviously multiple sources. Feels like the ones on Wentz are probably guys who loved doug or are/were team Hurts. The quotes on doug likely from someone close to wentz or FO. And press who knows because all of us all season had been saying some of the things that are in this article. 

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

Ostensibly but didn’t he get his contract redone at the beginning of the 2019 season, after that first (so-called) hit piece? And after that hit piece, didnt Carson do some damage control with his weird press conference?

Then Alshon did it again in the 2019 season. Perhaps not releasing him the second time was contract related but, in either case, a healthy team would have figured out a way to get rid of a player publicly and recklessly critiquing the franchise quarterback. The fact that Alshon is still here speaks volumes IMO.

Give it time, the official 2021 year is not here yet. At the right time when the cap hit makes sense he will be cut. It will happen before the real season begins. He will not wear Eagles green on the field again

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Ostensibly but didn’t he get his contract redone at the beginning of the 2019 season, after that first (so-called) hit piece? And after that hit piece, didnt Carson do some damage control with his weird press conference?

Then Alshon did it again in the 2019 season. Perhaps not releasing him the second time was contract related but, in either case, a healthy team would have figured out a way to get rid of a player publicly and recklessly critiquing the franchise quarterback. The fact that Alshon is still here speaks volumes IMO.

Except that the contract prohibited cutting him, and his play/injury prohibited trading him after the renegotiation.  I don't care if what he said was true or not... when a player takes team business and puts it into the public, that's a problem... and that player should be held accountable.   IMO, you always keep the mess in house. 

 

I am a teacher, I work in the district that I live in.  I have strong opinions about how some of my colleagues run their classrooms.  But, when a parent/friend comes to complain to me about them, I keep my opinions to myself and just let them rant.  What they really want is to be heard, so I let them let it out, but I don't bad mouth my colleagues.  That would be unprofessional.

The funny thing about AF blaming Doug for not running that god awful 2019 ball control offense this year is that Lurie made Doug fire the guy who coordinated that offense. 

So Doug can’t adjust (which he did last year), but then gets blamed for a shift in offense that looks to have been mandated by Lurie. 

What a healthy situation. 

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Give it time, the official 2021 year is not here yet. At the right time when the cap hit makes sense he will be cut. It will happen before the real season begins. He will not wear Eagles green on the field again

 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Except that the contract prohibited cutting him, and his play/injury prohibited trading him after the renegotiation.  I don't care if what he said was true or not... when a player takes team business and puts it into the public, that's a problem... and that player should be held accountable.   IMO, you always keep the mess in house. 

 

I am a teacher, I work in the district that I live in.  I have strong opinions about how some of my colleagues run their classrooms.  But, when a parent/friend comes to complain to me about them, I keep my opinions to myself and just let them rant.  What they really want is to be heard, so I let them let it out, but I don't bad mouth my colleagues.  That would be unprofessional.

You are both probably right re Alshon but I just can’t stand what I’m hearing about Carson. Especially added to the fact that he didn’t speak with Doug for weeks. He just sounds so immature and egotistical.

Having an ego is manageable when you are Aaron Rodgers but Carson Wentz isn’t even Donovan McNabb. His apparent lack of humility cost us several games this year and cost people (players and coaches) their livelihoods.

I just can’t stand the kid right now.

23 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Ostensibly but didn’t he get his contract redone at the beginning of the 2019 season, after that first (so-called) hit piece? And after that hit piece, didnt Carson do some damage control with his weird press conference?

Then Alshon did it again in the 2019 season. Perhaps not releasing him the second time was contract related but, in either case, a healthy team would have figured out a way to get rid of a player publicly and recklessly critiquing the franchise quarterback. The fact that Alshon is still here speaks volumes IMO.

The fact that Alshon is still here is a testament to how bad the Eagles front office has dealt with him. They didn’t even put him on PUP to start the season. Which was a huge mistake because they could’ve kept a tight end that they really liked who left because they didn’t have the roster spot because they wasted it on a guy who they knew was likely not returning until week six. The miss handling of our alshon starts back all the way to mid 2018. The Eagles continued to make a mistake after mistake after mistake with Alshon Jeffery.

The fact that jeffery was still playing when the Eagles realistically were not a good team and playoff chances were dwindling and weren’t worthy of being a playoff team. He’s not going to be back here next year. They restructured it to get out of his contract to clear Space prior to the new league year. 

I would also add I think it would be tough for any player to have the article that came out linking it to Alshon Jeffery and probably some others in that locker room and have to go in that locker room and trust those guys. Now you have to do it anyways because that’s your job but as soon as that person or persons talk to Santalaquito you basically made that locker room unstable and not trustable. Instead of having the discussions internally and working through it to build a relationship and hopefully some trust in one another to be honest with one another they didn’t do that. So walking into that locker room the trust was gone.

That’s not just a wentz thing that’s with any player. If somebody came out and said that about lane Johnson i’m guessing in that locker room he’s gonna have a hard time trusting people. That’s a human nature element. 

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Give it time, the official 2021 year is not here yet. At the right time when the cap hit makes sense he will be cut. It will happen before the real season begins. He will not wear Eagles green on the field again

They've already restructured his deal, apparently to make cutting him cheaper for 2021, which means the ghost of Alshon Jeffery will live on the cap through 2022, even though he really hasn't contributed to the team since 2018.

Let’s say the plan is to keep Wentz and rehabilitate him...

Who is the strong offensive coach that can break through to him? 

RLC said Caldwell. Who else?

10 minutes ago, Thrive said:

You are both probably right re Alshon but I just can’t stand what I’m hearing about Carson. Especially added to the fact that he didn’t speak with Doug for weeks. He just sounds so immature and egotistical.

Having an ego is manageable when you are Aaron Rodgers but Carson Wentz isn’t even Donovan McNabb. His apparent lack of humility cost us several games this year and cost people (players and coaches) their livelihoods.

I just can’t stand the kid right now.

My comments regarding Alshon don't remove any culpability from Wentz.  

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They've already restructured his deal, apparently to make cutting him cheaper for 2021, which means the ghost of Alshon Jeffery will live on the cap through 2022, even though he really hasn't contributed to the team since 2018.

Hes gone

In a move that could have some Eagles fans scratching their heads, Philadelphia has restructured the contract of veteran wide receiver Alshon Jeffery.

What that means for Jeffery’s future in Philadelphia remains to be seen but with Howie Roseman already starting the process of shedding salary cap space, the veteran wide receiver is still likely to be released at some point, or he could stick around by signing an extension.

The Eagles could save about $23 million in cap space if they cut Jeffery and Malik Jackson with post-June 1 designations.

So Staley supposedly would bring Niners co-OC McDaniel as OC. 

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You don’t need a mobile QB to run RPOs. We won a damn Super Bowl running RPOs with Foles. That doesn’t make any sense  

And we saw a lot of plays where Wentz wouldn’t pull the trigger despite staring down his open first read. Our leading receiver was Greg Ward, who runs almost nothing but quick developing routes. 

Who the hell knows...

Foles was sui generis, the RPO pass option was the only scheme (first under Chip, then Pederson) that he was ever successful running, it was clear that Wentz wasn't comfortable running that scheme. It fit Foles, it required quick decision making but limited progressions because there was only one or two receivers. I'd also point out that when Foles played well here, he had a stable pocket: 2013: Peters - Mathis - Kelce - Herremans - Lane didn't miss a game, 2017: Vaitai - Wisniewski - Kelce - Brooks - Lane, 2018, same group but with Peters at LT.

I don't think Wentz ever felt comfortable in the pocket, it wasn't just the pass rush, it was that the constant changing composition of the OL probably messed with his feel for the pocket, different lineman pass block differently, and he may never have been sure where the pocket would be. It also messed with the screen game, which requires both deception and coordination.