2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A well run football team most likely has 5 candidates they have their eyes on and know they have a chance at getting.

The Eagles look like they have no direction and they are just saying hey let's try this guy....oh Saleh went to NYJ, hmmm who can we dig up today.  Todd Bowles?  Really?  They know him, he's been here, he wasn't successful here or when he was a HC.  It looks even worse if they get special permission for 1 coach in the playoffs and they use it on him.  It's like getting drunk and checking in an old GF because you're desperate and you know why you broke up but hey let's swing again.

The sad fact is that the Eagles job is NOT attractive.  

Take out the salary, a big sports market and Lurie's top class facilities and what do the Eagles have a coach would want?  Young talent? nope, cap space? nope, a good GM? nope, steady QB situation? nope.

If we had those things, then we would not be looking for a coach.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If we had those things, then we would not be looking for a coach.

Not true....if we had those things we would have a good GM.

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I never said it made you comfortable.  I said it could indicate he is a front runner.  You said Mcclane is an idiot.  Like stated, it doesn't make him wrong in this case.  

I never said you said it makes me comfortable. And no it doesn't make him wrong or right in this case.

7 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

You mean Daboll isn’t jumping at the opportunity to coach the 2017 almost MVP?

Weird.

Funny how that's all you took from that

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A well run football team most likely has 5 candidates they have their eyes on and know they have a chance at getting.

The Eagles look like they have no direction and they are just saying hey let's try this guy....oh Saleh went to NYJ, hmmm who can we dig up today.  Todd Bowles?  Really?  They know him, he's been here, he wasn't successful here or when he was a HC.  It looks even worse if they get special permission for 1 coach in the playoffs and they use it on him.  It's like getting drunk and checking in an old GF because you're desperate and you know why you broke up but hey let's swing again.

The sad fact is that the Eagles job is NOT attractive.  

Take out the salary, a big sports market and Lurie's top class facilities and what do the Eagles have a coach would want?  Young talent? nope, cap space? nope, a good GM? nope, steady QB situation? nope.

I pretty much agree with everything you said, but just to play Devil's Advocate, the Eagles' HC job has a level of security that the other openings did not. Because of this team's issues (lack of young talent, lack of cap space, QB questions), the first two years will be a wash for the new Head Coach. Even if whoever is hired ends up being a bad choice, they'll have 3-4 years before the plug is pulled. That can't be said of any of the other openings. Coming to an organization that's expected to struggle for the first two years has its perks. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I agree that they look like they have no direction.  I disagree that the job is not attractive.  It's a narrative that is popular to echo in here lately and it's a little tired. This hire is hpefully for the next 4-10 years.  Not just 2021.    You can't take out the big sports market and facilities because they are big factors.  The Eagles are close to a marquee franchise in the NFL.  Lowie has made a bunch of mistakes recently, no doubt.  But as I have said time and time before, the energy and passion behind this team will not allow Lowie to turn them into the Jets. They are in one of the most important divisions in football (not good lately obviously).  They will never be an afterthought franchise.  Top 5-6 TV market in the country, with a rabid fan base?  Yeah, it's a better job than NYJ, Atlanta, Jax, Houston, LAC and Detroit....PERIOD!

 

Don't have such a short view on this thing.  

I dunno, when I hear top facilities it just sounds like a college recruiting pitch to me.  

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A well run football team most likely has 5 candidates they have their eyes on and know they have a chance at getting.

The Eagles look like they have no direction and they are just saying hey let's try this guy....oh Saleh went to NYJ, hmmm who can we dig up today.  Todd Bowles?  Really?  They know him, he's been here, he wasn't successful here or when he was a HC.  It looks even worse if they get special permission for 1 coach in the playoffs and they use it on him.  It's like getting drunk and checking in an old GF because you're desperate and you know why you broke up but hey let's swing again.

The sad fact is that the Eagles job is NOT attractive.  

Take out the salary, a big sports market and Lurie's top class facilities and what do the Eagles have a coach would want?  Young talent? nope, cap space? nope, a good GM? nope, steady QB situation? nope.

That's more of a media take, oh, the "hot candidate" took a job elsewhere, headline, "Eagles miss out on coach they wanted."

Look at the list of coaches hired so far, name one that is a sure thing or heads and shoulders above the candidates who are left.

You cast a wide net unless there is someone you know and like so well that you target him from day one, and no one falls in that category for the Eagles.

Top salary, top market, top facilities aren't attractive? Eagles said they know they're rebuilding, that means a new HC has a 3 year grace period. Think you'll get that with the Jets? That grace period has real value, b/c your first season as HC you can't hire all the assistants you'd like (some will be under contract), you are just getting to know your players and implementing your schemes. Starting a rebuild allows you to build a team around your schemes instead of having to plug in square pegs into round holes and win now.

One good reason to gather a lot of information, what are the odds the next HC will succeed, even if he's the best candidate (as if anyone knows), 50%, 40%? So by gathering a lot of information about potential coordinators and assistant coaches, you're better prepared for the next hiring cycle if this HC falls flat on his face. You can keep tabs on these guys, and be better positioned to hire them as coordinators or your next HC.

Thankfully

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

My suspicion is Lurie only gets involved when everyone is deadlocked as the tie-breaker, ok guys, since you can't come to agreement, it's "X".

The drafting has not been bad, it hasn't been great, but there's a lot of exaggeration - as far as "pro bowl" types, well, draft in the 20s and you're less likely to find one, and in many cases it takes 4-5 years before players reach that level, look at Graham.

Thats a cop out and garbage you've been spouting for years.  At pick 21, they were in perfect position to grab a Pro Bowl caliber WR in MULTIPLE DRAFTs, they just missed.   Jefferson, Metcalf, Adams.  And the irony is in each draft they selected a different WR BEFORE the Pro Bowl WR.  So don't swallow Lurie's lie about having the right guys identified but they went first.  They could have had Jefferson, but chose Reagor.  They could have selected Metcalf, but chose JJAW.  They could have selected Adams, but traded UP for Matthews.   The drafting has been terrible.  Those are just 3 examples of the team identifying a position, but completely missing on which one should have been the target.

25 minutes ago, eaglelen said:

Wentz doesn't have to "like" a coach!  Flip got results and the reports were that they didn't get along.

Oh, for sure. 

Jeffersr

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Thats a cop out and garbage you've been spouting for years.  At pick 21, they were in perfect position to grab a Pro Bowl caliber WR in MULTIPLE DRAFTs, they just missed.   Jefferson, Metcalf, Adams.  And the irony is in each draft they selected a different WR BEFORE the Pro Bowl WR.  So don't swallow Lurie's lie about having the right guys identified but they went first.  They could have had Jefferson, but chose Reagor.  They could have selected Metcalf, but chose JJAW.  They could have selected Adams, but traded UP for Matthews.   The drafting has been terrible.  Those are just 3 examples of the team identifying a position, but completely missing on which one should have been the target.

Jefferson is the only one you can make a case for, and we'll see how Reagor turns out.

Metcalf was an injury issue that most NFL teams avoided, this wasn't a FO issue, but where do you gamble and what does your medical staff think. Two other WRs were drafted after JJAW and before Metcalf.

Adams was drafted in 2014, Chip and his personnel guy ran that draft. Chip was smarter than anyone else, we know, b/c he told us.

Hindsight is always 20/20, how many WRs were drafted before Adams.

 

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

How much of it was diggs, Beasley and brown being a good WR corps? Having good competent WRs helps. It’s not a coincidence the last 4 teams have Hill (top 5 this year), Adams (top 5), diggs (top 5 this year) and Evans, godwin and AB. Besides the obvious they all have great QB play as well.

 the reason why if I was daboll i would strike when the irons hot. If the bills next year aren’t as prolific on offense and Allen has a regression then it creates the well maybe it was lightning in a bottle cause 2020 wouldn’t match any of the other seasons. Doubt it happens but if it does that will be used against him way more than this search. Right now cause buffalo’s offense most of the year was great (2nd in scoring and 2nd in yards) he’s a hot name. 

Curious if the new HC will have the balls to say get me actual NFL receivers

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Thankfully

Do we know who Bieniemy would choose for staff?

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Thats a cop out and garbage you've been spouting for years.  At pick 21, they were in perfect position to grab a Pro Bowl caliber WR in MULTIPLE DRAFTs, they just missed.   Jefferson, Metcalf, Adams.  And the irony is in each draft they selected a different WR BEFORE the Pro Bowl WR.  So don't swallow Lurie's lie about having the right guys identified but they went first.  They could have had Jefferson, but chose Reagor.  They could have selected Metcalf, but chose JJAW.  They could have selected Adams, but traded UP for Matthews.   The drafting has been terrible.  Those are just 3 examples of the team identifying a position, but completely missing on which one should have been the target.

You can't use Adams and Metcalf as examples. 
- Adams went 53 overall and was AWFUL as a rookie. He was so bad, some people wanted to cut him after year 1. Even his 2nd season was bad. Picking him in RD1 would have been crazy.
- Metcalf went 64 because of medical. He was off their board.

Jefferson went immediately after Reagor. Have at it criticizing the Eagles for that.

42 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Well, it's not like they've drafted a lot of guys, Reagor and JJAW, other than that Hollins (4th), Hightower (5th), Watkins (6th), Gibson (6th), Ward (UDFA).

Chip picked Matthews (2nd) and Agholor (1st). But that's ancient history.

yardage leaders:

Diggs #146

Adams #53

Hopkins #27

Waller (TE) #204

Kelce (TE) #63

Robinson #61

Allen #76

Lockett #69

Smith-Schuster #62

Anderson UDFA

Maybe instead of picking Smith or Chase, we should trade down 3 or 4 times and draft a half dozen WRs between the 2nd and 4th round?

Or maybe instead of letting Lowie make the pick, they should let a qualified talent evaluator have final say.  

A failed 2nd round pick, and an underwhelming 1st round pick, both in years where far better players were available where they were selecting does not give me confidence in their selection for a 3rd straight year, even if its a top 10 pick.  And it wasnt just Jefferson.  Lots of others too in Round 2 and even later in Round 1.  Aiyuk, for one... speed guy and likely a better option than Reagor for the same roles.

15 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I pretty much agree with everything you said, but just to play Devil's Advocate, the Eagles' HC job has a level of security that the other openings did not. Because of this team's issues (lack of young talent, lack of cap space, QB questions), the first two years will be a wash for the new Head Coach. Even if whoever is hired ends up being a bad choice, they'll have 3-4 years before the plug is pulled. That can't be said of any of the other openings. Coming to an organization that's expected to struggle for the first two years has its perks. 

It does?  Last HC was blown out 3 years after winning the Super Bowl, after one year missing the playoffs.  HC before that was blown out after 3 years, only 1 was a losing season... other 2 were double digit wins.   And the constabt is that Howie survives the guys he hires, each time.  Howie has security.  The HC does not.

 

(Btw, I believe both Chip and Doug deserved to be fired, but it shows a lack of security for the new HC.)

 

41 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

There are plenty of reasons to like or dislike McDaniels...personally, I’m willing to gamble on the potential upside.

It would be interesting if nothing else.

What upside??

low character low performer

31 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If we had those things, then we would not be looking for a coach.

Most teams that don't have any talent at least have cap space the eagles have neither.

Good for DeMeco. I wanted him here as DC

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Jeffersr

Jefferson is the only one you can make a case for, and we'll see how Reagor turns out.

Metcalf was an injury issue that most NFL teams avoided, this wasn't a FO issue, but where do you gamble and what does your medical staff think. Two other WRs were drafted after JJAW and before Metcalf.

Adams was drafted in 2014, Chip and his personnel guy ran that draft. Chip was smarter than anyone else, we know, b/c he told us.

Hindsight is always 20/20, how many WRs were drafted before Adams.

 

You keep throwing Chip out as the fall guy.  Howie was still in charge of personnel in 2014.  Chip pushed him out in 2015.  If Chip was running things in 2014, then why would he need to make the power play for control in 2015?   It doesn't fit.  Clearly Howie wasn't pulling the strings Chip wanted him to, hence the power play in 2015.

 

There are others I could identify that would clearly be Howie failing... Donnel Pumphrey as a trade up target?   Nah, the drafting has NOT been good.  There's no case to be built to demonstrate otherwise, but there are a lot of straws you can grasp at.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

You can't use Adams and Metcalf as examples. 
- Adams went 53 overall and was AWFUL as a rookie. He was so bad, some people wanted to cut him after year 1. Even his 2nd season was bad. Picking him in RD1 would have been crazy.
- Metcalf went 64 because of medical. He was off their board.

Jefferson went immediately after Reagor. Have at it criticizing the Eagles for that.

Y’all love defending this idiot FO for being idiots. Yea they passed on metcalf and went with the "safer” pick in JJAW. How’d that work out for them? FAILURE, per usual. 
 

They took a pre draft injury chance on a twig like Sidney jones 2 years before but Metcalf? Oh he’s just not worth the risk ...

smdh

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

You can't use Adams and Metcalf as examples. 
- Adams went 53 overall and was AWFUL as a rookie. He was so bad, some people wanted to cut him after year 1. Even his 2nd season was bad. Picking him in RD1 would have been crazy.
- Metcalf went 64 because of medical. He was off their board.

Jefferson went immediately after Reagor. Have at it criticizing the Eagles for that.

Why would the Eagles have had to take Adams in Round 1?  They took Matthews before Adams in Round 2.  So, yeah, I can use Adams.  Besides, I was told by afan that you cant judge a pick after one year, or even two... (which is correct).  The failure is on both the coaching staff AND the front office.  They select the wrong guys and the coaching staff can't even maximize the guys that they do draft.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It does?  Last HC was blown out 3 years after winning the Super Bowl, after one year missing the playoffs.  HC before that was blown out after 3 years, only 1 was a losing season... other 2 were double digit wins.   And the constabt is that Howie survives the guys he hires, each time.  Howie has security.  The HC does not.

 

(Btw, I believe both Chip and Doug deserved to be fired, but it shows a lack of security for the new HC.)

Different circumstances. Chip inherited a lot of talent, started hot then imploded and threaten to tear the team and organization apart.

Pederson got five years, right guy to right the ship after Chip, but it was obvious over time that he wasn't the guy to run a rebuild.

Next coach will have a three year grace period, he doesn't even have to make the playoffs in year 3, just show progress (8-8 with a young, upcoming team and a couple upsets of playoff teams). Year 4 is when the pressure will come.

 

Comp pick news thread. If you don't feel like reading basically incentives factor in now and it will push the 2nd Eagles comp pick out of the limit, so likely to get just one now.

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Agholor was typecast as a slot WR here, goes to Gruden, becomes a "Y" and a legitimate deep threat.

Player was the same, coach was different.

Watkins is explosive, Hightower is fast, Reagor has Maclin type separation skills (i.e. doesn't look that fast but why is the CB two steps behind?). Ward is a good slot WR who gets open on 3rd down and catches the ball. Fulgham is a big body who can snatch in a crowd. A good coach doesn't force them to be what they're not, but works on making them better at what they do well. So you don't call WR screens for Ward when you have Watkins and Reagor. You try to teach Hightower how to locate and high point, teach Fulgham to use his strength to beat the press and so on.

Agholor had plenty of opportunity at the Y position here and did not play well.  Did you forget the infamous drop in the Falcons game last season? Agholor played well when he was one of other receiving threats.  He played his best football here when he played out of the slot.  He was fantastic converting 3rd downs in 2017 out of the slot position.  He was never a natural Y receiver.  

I think your assessment of the other receivers is optimistic.  The fact is they need more talent at the position.   Fulgham struggled in press coverage.  One reason Jeffrey took snaps from him was the struggles he had getting into his routes.  Reagor has shown some promise and was not used well but he struggled with his route running and made mistakes that were problematic.   I think comparison's to Maclin are premature.  Ward has not been good as a slot receiver.  He's been a serviceable 4th WR. I think his upside is maybe like a Danny Amendola.  Hightower showed some deep speed and had some drops.  He reminds me of Greg Lewis.  He's not an answer as a y WR over the long term.  He may be a 4th WR.  Watkins should have had more opportunities.  I liked what he showed.