43 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

Well now that is seems like Josh is the guy, I'm ready to give him a shot. No reason to keep complaining.

HC is a bigger crapshoot than the draft.  
 

Acing an interview with an owner that knows nothing about football and can’t control his own people (and I’m not only referring to Lurie here) means nothing to me.

We are either going to get lucky or unlucky.  The genius or aversion of Lowie will be of small measure.

My primary curiosity is if the guy we hire had any other interviews.  If not, that shows you people do not think highly of the organization or the opportunity.  Doesn’t mean they won’t get the next Vince Lombardi from the pool of candidates with less options, but it does mean that those with options don’t want to be here.

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

People can change and become better coaches, managers, player evaluators.  But changing from an introvert isn’t normally something that happens.  

So if he’s an introvert that means he can’t have success or be successful? I find that hard to believe. Is it harder? For sure it is. Not going to deny that. but there’s different ways to skin a cat. There’s been successful CEOs and business men and football coaches in this league being one or the other or in the middle 

I also think when you are younger you tend to be more introvert when you’re new to a city, new on a team and don’t really know anyone. That’s when mosher talked to him. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  He’s a hack.  Typical ESPN type journalism.  

That part he was clearly moronic about. I think all eagles fans expect this to be a 2-3 year rebuild. However the dysfunctional aspect of the organization he was entirely correct on. He’s not the only one mentioning that

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

He couldn't beat out Staley or Saleh in interviews. 

 

And we couldn’t even get an interview apparently...

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I never said that.  I never knew he was an introvert.  You brought that up.  All I said is a coach can learn how to be a better coach and manager over a 10 year span.  But it’s rare someone would change from being an introvert.   Again.  I didn’t even know that was the deal with Kafka. And certainly not a reason why I’m not high on him.  

I don’t even know if he’s truly an introvert. That’s just what some on the blog ran with (not you) because Geoff Mosher had an experience with him as a rookie/early in his career where he felt like he came off quiet and was introverted l. And Caplan said he’s been told he’s quieter and not a robust personality like saleh 

I wasn’t trying to mention you specifically when i brought that up the first time. Was more of a generalization of what i saw from most accounts about why he wasn’t a good hire. It was about the two biggest reasons i saw on the blog was its Reid’s coaching tree and he was introvert 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

And we couldn’t even get an interview apparently...

Mclane made it sound like in his tweet that the eagles didn’t even want too 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Josh McDaniels without Howie Roseman?  Or someone like Mike Kafka with Howie Roseman?

If you have to ask, you don't know.

1 minute ago, NVeagle said:

If you have to ask, you don't know.

Bye Howie

Do you think Howie is going to bring in a coach for an interview that is going to demand he be gone as part of his recruitment demands?  

Howie is a professional survivor. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Do you think Howie is going to bring in a coach for an interview that is going to demand he be gone as part of his recruitment demands?  

Howie is a professional survivor. 

Which is one of the reasons McDaniels makes no sense but hey...

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

They will say the right things prior to the start of training camp.  

I really think it has more to do with the crazy guy they have in the FO, Easterby.  This story in SI covers it.  https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/16/texans-chaos-deshaun-watson-unhappy-how-jack-easterby-kept-his-job 

I mean this is the part that's interesting: 

Easterby delivered a speech that was described in multiple direct accounts as a lengthy missive intended to be rousing. The discourse centered almost entirely on Deshaun Watson, the Texans’ star quarterback at the end of a historically great—if wasted—season. Easterby, those sources said, was effusive in his praise for the quarterback, but to the dismay of many, he did not extend the same attention to: J.J. Watt, the team leader and greatest player in franchise history, who was on the verge of completing only his second healthy season in the past five years; the turmoil that engulfed the organization; the midseason firing of coach Bill O’Brien; or the future of a franchise seeking new leadership.

I think he just heard him and saw the things he has been doing and said this guy is crazy and needs to go.  I mean look at him:

Would you want that guy to be in charge of football decisions.  I mean here's a story about him relating to players:

"During one Saturday-night meeting in 2019, Easterby, who is white and cites Martin Luther King Jr. as a role model, asked players to think back to when they were growing up 'playing ball with Ray-Ray and Ki-Ki and them,' according to three people in the room for these meetings. Some saw the language as more of a misguided attempt to fit in—players often called Easterby a 'try-hard.'  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2921872-report-texans-player-was-bothered-by-jack-easterbys-use-of-black-stereotypes

I mean he was a "character coach." What kind of BS job is that and how does that help you run a football team.  He's an acting GM.  He played on a division 3 golf team in college.  I mean he's a joke.  Who would want to stay in an organization where he is still employed let alone the GM.  

He's probably the illegitimate child of the Owner. No way someone can act like a "football guy" for years and still be a GM. 😎

5 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Which is one of the reasons McDaniels makes no sense but hey...

I think McDaniels would focus on making the head coaching aspect work first, at least for the first couple of years.

Maybe Stoutland stays after all 

This is the fifth coach Lurie will have hired, and he's owned the team for 25 years.

My suspicion is he knows more football than a lot of "football guys," and he doesn't have the ego of Jerry Jones.

You can't sit through four different coaches, numerous coordinators, 25 drafts and not learn something unless you're a dunce.

As far as dysfunction, I think the problem was always Pederson, he was fine as long as he had the right coaches around him and could focus on managing the clubhouse, but it's also obvious he never had a "binder," that is, the reason AR has a tree is b/c he could find and mentor assistant coaches into coordinators, and then onto coaching jobs. For Lowie, there was immense frustration as they saw the team struggle, saw Pederson's flaws, and tried to get him to address them (bring in new blood). Are you telling me Pederson couldn't find a competent OC in three years after Reich left? Or he didn't want to?

I don't think Howie is power mad, rather, he's the CEO reporting to the Chairman of the Board, while I think many people who felt he undercut them wanted to be traditional GMs, answerable to no one. Eagles haven't operated that way this decade except under the last years of AR and then Chip, neither of which worked out. They've brought in personnel guys with solid credentials, Douglas and Weidl, Dorsey, et al. They just don't give anyone final say. Reading between the lines, they feel they deferred too much to the coaches, hoping if they gave them what they asked for, they could deliver another SB run. Lowie won't make that mistake again.

What they need is a consensus draft board then let Howie do what he does best, wheel and deal off that board, draft the UDFAs in the late rounds they don't think they can sign (to me, the last 100 picks and the first 100 UDFAs, the ones who get real bonuses, are the same players), sign some top UDFAs and bring in a bunch of new blood. Allow coaches input into the process, but give the personnel guys the final word in constructing the board.

 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This is the fifth coach Lurie will have hired, and he's owned the team for 25 years.

My suspicion is he knows more football than a lot of "football guys," and he doesn't have the ego of Jerry Jones.

You can't sit through four different coaches, numerous coordinators, 25 drafts and not learn something unless you're a dunce.

As far as dysfunction, I think the problem was always Pederson, he was fine as long as he had the right coaches around him and could focus on managing the clubhouse, but it's also obvious he never had a "binder," that is, the reason AR has a tree is b/c he could find and mentor assistant coaches into coordinators, and then onto coaching jobs. For Lowie, there was immense frustration as they saw the team struggle, saw Pederson's flaws, and tried to get him to address them (bring in new blood). Are you telling me Pederson couldn't find a competent OC in three years after Reich left? Or he didn't want to?

I don't think Howie is power mad, rather, he's the CEO reporting to the Chairman of the Board, while I think many people who felt he undercut them wanted to be traditional GMs, answerable to no one. Eagles haven't operated that way this decade except under the last years of AR and then Chip, neither of which worked out. They've brought in personnel guys with solid credentials, Douglas and Weidl, Dorsey, et al. They just don't give anyone final say. Reading between the lines, they feel they deferred too much to the coaches, hoping if they gave them what they asked for, they could deliver another SB run. Lowie won't make that mistake again.

What they need is a consensus draft board then let Howie do what he does best, wheel and deal off that board, draft the UDFAs in the late rounds they don't think they can sign (to me, the last 100 picks and the first 100 UDFAs, the ones who get real bonuses, are the same players), sign some top UDFAs and bring in a bunch of new blood. Allow coaches input into the process, but give the personnel guys the final word in constructing the board.

I would give all the reasons I disagree with this but I’ll just let Howie prove himself again. 

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think McDaniels would focus on making the head coaching aspect work first, at least for the first couple of years.

Maybe. He might have changed but even so your back to trusting Howie. 

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe Stoutland stays after all 

Only good news of this coaching search disaster 

McDaniels and Daboll are friends.

The writing really is on the wall here.

34 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think McDaniels would focus on making the head coaching aspect work first, at least for the first couple of years.

I think McDaniels doesn't take this job unless he accepts he'll never have final personnel power, input yes, but not a veto.

And after Denver, I think he learned his limitations. Coaching is a full-time job.

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Let's hope.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Let's hope.

Hoping they get him and didi back. With hoskins likely out a couple months cause of the Tommy John surgery they could really use both back and the offense really wasn’t the issue until everyone got hurt. Pitching still suspect 

45 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I don't think Howie is power mad, rather, he's the CEO reporting to the Chairman of the Board, while I think many people who felt he undercut them wanted to be traditional GMs, answerable to no one. Eagles haven't operated that way this decade except under the last years of AR and then Chip, neither of which worked out. They've brought in personnel guys with solid credentials, Douglas and Weidl, Dorsey, et al. They just don't give anyone final say. Reading between the lines, they feel they deferred too much to the coaches, hoping if they gave them what they asked for, they could deliver another SB run. Lowie won't make that mistake again.

I notice you didn’t mention your (and possibly Howie’s) biggest arch nemesis...Fast Ed!