13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

My post there wasn’t about him as a bad or a good candidate.  And it wasn’t about me "wanting” him.  Again, I never said he was my top choice.  It was about me saying yesterday morning he was a front runner.  And that was rebuffed.  Now it’s a consensus.  

Okay, but from the very moment you or someone said he was being interviewed, deep inside my soul I just knew he was the guy. Now once again I have to hope that I was wrong. I didn't have an opinion on Doug. I hated Chip from the jump, and now (has it been confirmed yet?) I don't like McD. 

But hopefully I'm wrong and I'll be glad to be wrong.

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

McDaniels is a terrible hire, but he might be the final straw that gets Howie and Wentz shipped out of town, so hey...

Howie sucks. Wentz had one bad year, so you would rather see him "shipped out of town" then go back to 2017 form. I love some of the people on this blog. Do any of you that are haters have any idea how hard it is to find a franchise qb?

9 hours ago, AzBirdGang said:

What does everyone think of Kyle Pitts. Is that guy even a tight end? I'm surprised noone on the blog wants him. 

I wonder if Josh would be into that. 

Go back through my posts a few months ago...

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Okay, but from the very moment you or someone said he was being interviewed, deep inside my soul I just knew he was the guy. Now once again I have to hope that I was wrong. I didn't have an opinion on Doug. I hated Chip from the jump, and now (has it been confirmed yet?) I don't like McD. 

But hopefully I'm wrong and I'll be glad to be wrong.

Exactly how I see it. Once Chip started waffling, I was out. I had little opinion on Doug, but didn’t generally get a feeling that he was a strong candidate the way AR was when he interviewed here. And for a few reasons - mostly back to the emotional intelligence and his  player relationships - I am against this hire. 
 

I hope he has learned and changed fundamentally and proves my opinion of him wrong though. I fully recognize people can change...but this would require a pretty dramatic fundamental shift, so I’m skeptical. 

5 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If we trade down and draft a TE.  I would be livid.  Ridiculous idea.  On so many levels.   

I think your getting wrapped up In position rather than production. Make no mistake Pitts is a RECEVIER who just happens to play the TE spot. In fact most call him a hybrid WR/TE but the point is we need receiving help right? What does it matter if it comes from the TE spot or WR spot? Pitts can give you those numbers. 
 

That said I’m not chasing him at 6. I want Smith or Chase but if a trade down or those guys are gone I have no problem taking Pitts. 

9 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Colts DB coach

I'd take that guy over Matt Patricia, and I don't know one thing about him, other than he is not Matt Patricia.

12 minutes ago, greend said:

 Do any of you that are haters have any idea how hard it is to find a franchise qb?

No, some of us haven’t been around the last 100 years please tell us 😁

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If you listened later in the episode berman and bo made a strong case for mcdaniels being lurie’s hire and not howie. It would be more beneficial that it was someone like Duce cause it is easier to manipulate the situation then it would be with mcdaniels. Not that i think that’s the case but they made a good argument for it 

Oh man... now Howie has even more job security.  Can't fire Howie for your mistake, Jeff.     Howie is actually behind the hire, but once again, he performed the Jedi mind trick on Jeff.   "This is not the coach I hired." 

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

4for4 this morning:  "McDaniels seems like a front runner”.  
 

The Blog this morning:  "What?  He’s a bad candidate blah blah 10 years ago blah Reich....Tebow...blah blah.  
 

The Blog tonight:  "seems like McDaniels is the guy”. 
 

He might be the guy, but that doesn't make him a good candidate.

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If that’s their guy, then fire everyone.   Better yet.  Fire everyone anyway.  

Been saying it for over 2 months now.

7 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Ahh what a crap show next season will be.  My prediction is that we go 8-8 and McDaniels gets full roster say.  Also Howie has to move back to the Spadaro side of the Nova Care center. 

They will be sharing a desk.   Howie will have full say over the pen choices, but when the pens fail, he'll blame Dave and tell him that he had better ones picked out at the Staples, but that bin was empty and so he had to settle for these.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’d feel so much better about everything if John Dorsey was the GM and Howie was the numbers cruncher again.  

As long as Howie is crunching the concession stands numbers.   Get him away from contracts.   Those dead years at the end are just giant dead weights holding back any kind of reconstruction project.   And that is one of the biggest reasons that this job isn't attractive.  Its one thing to make a mistake in the draft, where that sets you back because you don't have young, cheap talent in the pipeline.  Its another thing to miss terribly in the free agent market while trying to make up for the fact that you can't draft young, cheap talent.  And it's a fireable offense when you can't draft young, cheap talent, can't sign quality talent in free agency, AND you over pay the old, bad talent with money from the future so that you can suck in the present.   That's the trifecta of terrible management.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I am not a fan of taking a WR at 6.  So you know damn well I’m not a fan of taking a WR/TE at 6.  If you have to add a / to his position, then that’s all I need to know.  We don’t need a /.  We need blue chip difference makers on the D line, O line or Secondary.  

Ok well that’s a different story I assumed you was like the many others who want a WR. 
 

There is no Dlineman worth the value of a sixth pick in this draft class and the only Olineman that does is probably a top 3 pick. As for secondary the best is either Farley or Surtain who probably could be had outside top ten. Best hope for what you want is a trade back. 

31 minutes ago, greend said:

Howie sucks. Wentz had one bad year, so you would rather see him "shipped out of town" then go back to 2017 form. I love some of the people on this blog. Do any of you that are haters have any idea how hard it is to find a franchise qb?

Of course.  We haven’t had one since McNabb.  That’s why we need to find one.

32 minutes ago, greend said:

Howie sucks. Wentz had one bad year, so you would rather see him "shipped out of town" then go back to 2017 form. I love some of the people on this blog. Do any of you that are haters have any idea how hard it is to find a franchise qb?

Those of us who lived through the years between Randal and McNabb, and McNabb and Wentz, know how listless it is when you dont have a franchise QB. 

Until the Browns got Baker, they went from 1993 without one, not from the lack of trying either. They had 32 different starting QB's between Kosar and Mayfield.

Thats almost as many Olinemen as we started this year 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Those of us who lived through the years between Randal and McNabb, and McNabb and Wentz, know how listless it is when you dont have a franchise QB. 

Until the Browns got Baker, they went from 1993 without one, not from the lack of trying either. They had 32 different starting QB's between Kosar and Mayfield.

Thats almost as many Olinemen as we started this year 

Dude, remember that time Rodney Peete lit up the Lions in the playoffs.... good times.    Or when Ty Detmer sucked in the playoffs.   Or when Koy Detmer outdueled Brett Favre and "whipped it".  Or Bobby Hoying actually looked like he had a clue on the field for a little while.   

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Those of us who lived through the years between Randal and McNabb, and McNabb and Wentz, know how listless it is when you dont have a franchise QB. 

Until the Browns got Baker, they went from 1993 without one, not from the lack of trying either. They had 32 different starting QB's between Kosar and Mayfield.

Thats almost as many Olinemen as we started this year 

You mean McNabb and "TBD”, especially in light of how Wentz has played these last few years.

Plus McNabb never got his coach fired

Just now, Thrive said:

You mean McNabb and "TBD”, especially in light of how Wentz has played these last few years.

Plus McNabb never got his coach fired

No, but he did hold AR back for about a decade, so there's that.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Dude, remember that time Rodney Peete lit up the Lions in the playoffs.... good times.    Or when Ty Detmer sucked in the playoffs.   Or when Koy Detmer outdueled Brett Favre and "whipped it".  Or Bobby Hoying actually looked like he had a clue on the field for a little while.   

I remember Koy getting his chance against the 49ers and dislocating his elbow, flailing around on the ground, I felt bad for him, he was playing well to that point. And yes him stoking up Favre  LOL I also remember Doug P,  Or how about Bubby Brister, Ken O'Brien, Jeff Kemp anyone? 

 

5 minutes ago, Thrive said:

You mean McNabb and "TBD”, especially in light of how Wentz has played these last few years.

Plus McNabb never got his coach fired

Puhhllleeeeaaaasseee the irrational Hate of Wentz is just stupid. He had one BAD year on a VERY BAD team with a clueless HC. Pretty sure the HC got his self fired. 

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Kyle Orton’s 2008 in Chicago where he was 9-6 had 18 tds and 12 ints or his 2014 where Kyle orton was 7-5 with 18 tds and 10 ints. Completed in those two years combined 61 percent of his passes. Had QB ratings of 80 and 88.  Those two season werent far off from his 21 and 12 his first year in Denver and not far off from his 20 and 9 int his second year where he combined for 60% completion. His QB rating was 87 and 87.5. So comparatively 87.5 in Denver and those other two seasons 84. So not a big time difference. (Orton didn’t play all 16 games in 2008, 2010 or 2014– played his least amount in 2014). And those two years in Denver he had pro bowl WR in Brandon Marshall and lloyd made the pro bowl. He did have more passing yards that really didn’t translate in to many more TDs and the Broncos had a better offensive roster then bears in 2008 or buffalo in 2014. So I guess 2008 and 2014 didn’t exist in orton’s career... 

also wasn’t LA was St. Louis and he actually had Bradford for 10 games and at that point Bradford’s second season where people still thought he was going to be special after being drafted No. 1. Also had Brandon Lloyd coming off a 1400+ season and Steven jackson. Meanwhile brian schottenheimer with basically the same bad team minus Brandon Lloyd who went to New England. So the lack of talent around him the very next year but schottenheimer had Bradford playing competent. Improved his completion percentages from 53.5 with mcdaniels to 58.5. His qb rating from 70 to 83. 21 tds to 13 ints. Meanwhile Bradford was on pace with mcdaniels over 16 games for 10 tds and 10 ints. So DVOA for Bradford and the offense was 32nd with mcdaniels and the very next year with scottenheimer 16th in offensive DVOA. So does this make schottenheimer a genius cause with bad talent, Bradford (minus his best wr from the previous year in Lloyd) and the offense were at least mediocre? 

im willing to give him a chance to see why he can do with wentz/hurts and this roster. But some of his downfalls and failures are on him. Just pointing out pat shurmur got more out of Bradford as a rookie with a team that went 1-15 the season before than mcdaniels 

McDaniels traded Marshall and replaced him with Lloyd. Lloyd's best season before McDaniels was 733 yards at 24 years old, at 29 he put up 1448 yards under McDaniels. Gaffney also had his career years under McDaniels.

The St Louis team was similar to the Eagles last year, with players going down like flies. Lloyd 10 starts, Gibson 9 starts, Alexander 5 starts, Pettis 3 starts, Sims-Walker 3 starts, Hoomanawanui 10 starts, Amendola 1 game. Bajema 12 starts at TE. Kendricks was a rookie FB/TE, 10 starts. Stafford 9 starts at LT, Smith 6 starts at RT.

The next season, Bradford plays all 16 games, Givens starts 12 games as a rookie, Amendola lasts for 11 games, Gibson and Pettis, Kendricks starts at TE, Stafford goes down again but the new RT plays 16 games. They went from horrible to average.

Orton was benched his second season in Chicago, third season 79.6 rating, 48.2 QBR, under McDaniels 86.8/56.9 and 87.5/53.8. After that he wasn't a starter until he was 32 in Buffalo, throwing to Watkins, Woods, Hogan and Chandler. 87.8/43.9.

Cassell stepped in for Brady with only a slight falloff.

I don't think anyone is a genius in the NFL, but McDaniels has a solid track record. As far as the Belichick "tree," note that most of his coaches were defensive coaches, and since he runs the defense, the question was always how much did they do?

Meanwhile people are touting Brady over one season as OC in Carolina or Smith off two seasons in Tennessee?

One danger with short-term "wonders" is the league doesn't have film on their team, a couple more seasons and everyone knows their tendencies.

Not saying McDaniels would be the right choice, but there is no reason to think the flavors of the month will be superior HCs.

The biggest question is whether he's matured as a person and a coach after being humbled, some do, some never grow up, just learn to lie better.

41 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'd take that guy over Matt Patricia, and I don't know one thing about him, other than he is not Matt Patricia.

I’d rather hire my mom as DC than Patricia and she thinks football is where you use a baseball bat hit the puck into the hoop. 

If the Eagles drafted a TE at #6...and they won't....look, I'll always be an Eagles fan, but I would definitely have to withdraw from the armchair GM level of fandom to just watching the games when convenient until they had a complete FO makeover.

1 minute ago, Solomon said:

I’d rather hire my mom as DC than Patricia and she thinks football is where you use a baseball bat hit the puck into the hoop. 

Smart woman.    That game has the makings of a real money maker.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What about the time where Ty Detmer brought us down on MNF against the Cowboys only for Chris Bonoil to screw it up?

Was that the one where the punter dropped the snap and tried to run it in and fumbled at the 1? 

42 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’d feel so much better about everything if John Dorsey was the GM and Howie was the numbers cruncher again.  

Dorsey has a lousy track record as a GM...