4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Optics is part of the reason why this would not be an attractive place for a head coach.  The optics of Lowie....So unfortunately, optics matter.  

Yeah.  I can see using Tony G as an example...  but def not Greg Olsen.  

Lowie won a SB three years ago and then went to the playoffs two more times, and no one thinks it was due to the genius of Pederson. Some luck yes, but all SB teams tend to be lucky, since few survive multiple major injuries (like Peters). Even the last decade, they made the playoffs 4 of 10 years following a decade of dominance. I think the media take is far more negative than that of football insiders (who aren't talking to the media, the ones who talk tend to have an axe to grind).

Eagles have stable ownership, money, facilities, rabid fan base, and Lowie may not be the preferred structure by a strong GM type, but is actually preferable for a lot of HCs who would feel they'd have more input and access than under a megalomaniac GM (and most are).

People make noises about how Pederson was the victim, but notice the rush to hire a SB winning HC? I suspect a lot of people around the league understand that what went on was more a reflection of Pederson's management incompetence than an interfering owner. Look at the OCs being interviewed, all hired since Reich left here for Indy, but none hired by Pederson. See any interest in Press Taylor around the league? Groh didn't get another job as OC, he's the WR coach for Reich. He may get another shot eventually, but the fact he isn't a hot commodity for OC this offseason says the league thinks he was promoted too soon.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Even Heath Miller wasn't worth a first round selection.   Two pro bowls and his best season was 819 yards?  No thanks.  

I'd lean to no he wasn't worth it. I don't think TE's are ever worth a first round pick based on positional value. But for being pick #30, he was alright for them. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honest question because I don’t have the answer but how many top 10 drafted linebackers in the past 30 years wound up being worthy of that pick?

Aaron Curry

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd lean to no he wasn't worth it. I don't think TE's are ever worth a first round pick based on positional value. But for being pick #30, he was alright for them. 

Top H-backs are worth it b/c they're basically big WRs who can block LBs, so they not only can get 1000 receiving yards, but have more value in the run game.

I just have to say this because it's always on my mind when I see it.

Some people write an entire book long in a post. Do they actually think people read the whole thing? Most times I would say they don't LOL. 

This is getting ridiculous 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honest question because I don’t have the answer but how many top 10 drafted linebackers in the past 30 years wound up being worthy of that pick?

Interesting, let's look:

2020 - Simmons, who I like, we'll see

2019 - Devin White, looks great; Devin Bush, also looks good

2018 - Bradley Chubb, Roquan Smith, both good players

2017 - None

2016 - Leonard Floyd, solid player

2015 - None

2014 - Khalil Mack, Anthony Barr, one great and one solid

2013 - None

2012 - Kuechly

2011 - Von Miller (can debate he's a DE), Aldon Smith (good player)

2010 - Rolando McClain, not that great

 

So just the past 10 years, it looks like it's a pretty good chance drafting LB top 10 works out fairly well...

Show me the NFL team that doesn't have "facilities."  Or is that a unique advantage only the Eagles have?  I wasn't aware there are NFL teams that have their players practicing with rusty weights, broken treadmills, and non-airconditioned facilities.  

When it comes to the abstract resources and training, I'd say the team that has fired its medical and training staff every other season for the last 5 years might be less appealing. Which one is that?

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Top H-backs are worth it b/c they're basically big WRs who can block LBs, so they not only can get 1000 receiving yards, but have more value in the run game.

Remind me next time we get a WR to go for 1,000 yards, let alone an h-back.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  Serious bust.  

 

Who was that LB from Alabama that looked like a complete stud and then turned into a complete POS.  I think he went to SF?

Rueben Foster?

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  They don't look silly at all......

I don't mind that they are casting a comically broad net.  HC searches are a crapshoot and the great ones often come from unexpected places.  I still may not have confidence in them to make the right decision, but I don't mind some bizarre interviews.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Remind me next time we get a WR to go for 1,000 yards, let alone an h-back.

We'll all have developed Alzheimer's by the time that happens, and nobody will even be able to remember their log in password. 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A few that come to mind. 

 

Willis #11

Ware #11  (edge)

Kuechly #9 (who  Parsons has been slightly compared to)

Von Miller #2 (edge)

Jerod Mayo #10

 

Yeah, we should skip this draft...

Lol. I went and looked. I was teetering on Mayo cause he was good then injuries shortened his career. but after checking it out top 10 linebackers the more modern selections have been much better. 90-2010 it wasn’t very pretty 

good:

kevin hardy, James farrier, urlacher, Mayo(debatable with the injury factor), von Miller, kuechley, Mack, Barr, devin white, devin bush and roquan smith

didnt live up to it:

ernie sims, Keith McCants, Mike croel, Quentin coryatt, Marvin jones, trey alberts, Chris Claiborne, lavar Arrington, aj hawk, Keith rivers, rolando McClain, Leonard Floyd (not bad career but i don’t think worthy of where he went), dexter Fowler (rusher) and Vic Beasley 

 

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

No.

In today's NFL, you should be winning by year 2. If you look at all the successful organizations, they were winning by the second year.
Even Miami that tanked in year 1, won 10 games in year 2 under Flores. We won the SB in year 2. 

I think a realistic timeline for a rebuild is something like:

Year 1 — bottom 10 record

Year 2 — around .500

Year 3 — 10+ wins

You can have quicker turnarounds, but usually that is with teams that already have a good amount of young talent where a coach comes in and really harnesses it.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Show me the NFL team that doesn't have "facilities."  Or is that a unique advantage only the Eagles have?  I wasn't aware there are NFL teams that have their players practicing with rusty weights, broken treadmills, and non-airconditioned facilities.  

When it comes to the abstract resources and training, I'd say the team that has fired its medical and training staff every other season for the last 5 years might be less appealing. Which one is that?

Exactly.  Boasting about your facilities is such a college recruiting pitch to an 18 year old kid.  It's such a silly selling point and defense of what the Eagles organization has to offer.  

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Interesting, let's look:

2020 - Simmons, who I like, we'll see

2019 - Devin White, looks great; Devin Bush, also looks good

2018 - Bradley Chubb, Roquan Smith, both good players

2017 - None

2016 - Leonard Floyd, solid player

2015 - None

2014 - Khalil Mack, Anthony Barr, one great and one solid

2013 - None

2012 - Kuechly

2011 - Von Miller (can debate he's a DE), Aldon Smith (good player)

2010 - Rolando McClain, not that great

 

So just the past 10 years, it looks like it's a pretty good chance drafting LB top 10 works out fairly well...

Yeah i noticed that when i went back and researched it. The closer you get to current date it’s actually gotten better and better. Much more misses 1990-2010 then 2011-2020 

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know how anyone can say Wentz got Doug fired

Apparently if McDaniels isn't to blame in NE for their offense being terrible than neither is Doug to blame for the Eagles.  It's the bad QB play not the coaches.  

Lol

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They are going to interview 30 guys and then when they "settle" for one, he will "their guy all along".  

But they can also take credit for the guys who ultimately do well elsewhere that they had the foresight to interview, much like Lowie's draft strategy of correctly identifying who will be studs drafted before our pick.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Aaron Curry

Wake Forest pride and joy. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If you put the kid from Miami, Freiermuth, and even the kid from Iowa state in the Florida U offense they would put the same numbers if not better. 

The thing is, with the Florida offense, Pitts wasn't the focal point and didn't need to be.  But he made play after play.  I like Freiermuth in the middle rounds and if that's the road they go I would be fine.  I just think Pitts is a special athlete along the lines of Jevon Kearse.  

I still think regardless of who they pick in round 1, trading back, trading DG and Ertz is a great way to start building a young core.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Aaron Curry

LaVar Arrington

 

For those of you getting your hopes up.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wake Forest pride and joy. 

Totally forgot about him.  He's still only 34 but coaching with the Seahawks.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

LaVar Arrington

Keith rivers