17 hours ago, eagle45 said:

HC is a bigger crapshoot than the draft.  
 

Acing an interview with an owner that knows nothing about football and can’t control his own people (and I’m not only referring to Lurie here) means nothing to me.

We are either going to get lucky or unlucky.  The genius or aversion of Lowie will be of small measure.

My primary curiosity is if the guy we hire had any other interviews.  If not, that shows you people do not think highly of the organization or the opportunity.  Doesn’t mean they won’t get the next Vince Lombardi from the pool of candidates with less options, but it does mean that those with options don’t want to be here.

This is why Lurie needs a competent GM that knows how to install a philosophy for the entire team and make every decision align with the strategy.  Coaching hires, personnel, conditioning staff, everything.  In this case a good GM would advise the owner on the coaching hire, and yes it is tough to determine because coaching hires can fail just like draft picks even when they seem like a good coach choice.  But at this point Lurie has hired enough coaches and been in the league that he should at least gain from the experience.

Somehow, despite all his talk about taking notes and keeping his finger on the pulse of the league he still thinks Howie is a good GM.  He needs his eyes opened about that.

Information is valuable, first hand information is more valuable.

Every guy you interview, you have a much better filter to judge second hand rumors concerning that guy.

And every guy has a list of potential assistants with their pluses and minuses, by cross checking those lists, you have a lot of valuable information about assistants around the league, as well as a check on what guys told you in interviews (he wants to hire a guy that three other people didn't even consider worth a mention?).

So the value of the wide net is not just hiring the HC, but a much deeper knowledge of people around the league, and a check on what other people tell you.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying the right for doing it. I just think that’s what they’re gonna try to do. I thought it was pretty interesting that Lurie made the comments he did about seattle during it. I think he probably looks at seattle staying competitive during their rebuild and believes he can do that here. Whether that’s successful or not I can’t say. I don’t think it’s going to be because I don’t think they have enough young talent or a quarterback like Russell Wilson. Even if wentz was good again i don’t think he’s Russell Wilson outside of 2017 

I think Lurie's press conference was kind of a word salad.  They moved on from Pederson because they stunk this season and the offense was terrible.  Pederson's plan to fix it was to make Preston the OC.  I think the other things were just complete fluff.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

That's possible.  I think they said they wanted to interview Bienemy but Veach/Reid haven't let him interview.  

They have let him though, he just interviewed yesterday. Eagles are the one's that never scheduled anything

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

This is why Lurie needs a competent GM that knows how to install a philosophy for the entire team and make every decision align with the strategy.  Coaching hires, personnel, conditioning staff, everything.  In this case a good GM would advise the owner on the coaching hire, and yes it is tough to determine because coaching hires can fail just like draft picks even when they seem like a good coach choice.  But at this point Lurie has hired enough coaches and been in the league that he should at least gain from the experience.

Somehow, despite all his talk about taking notes and keeping his finger on the pulse of the league he still thinks Howie is a good GM.  He needs his eyes opened about that.

And where do you find a good GM? It's easy to find bad GMs, but good ones don't move.

So you're hiring someone's assistant and hoping he simply wasn't riding his bosses coat tails.

Or a retread like Dorsey, but retreads are out there because either they failed or they're dysfunctional.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Lurie's press conference was kind of a word salad.  They moved on from Pederson because they stunk this season and the offense was terrible.  Pederson's plan to fix it was to make Preston the OC.  I think the other things were just complete fluff.  

I think he definitely had fluff but I do think he looks around the league at other teams and how they were able to stay competitive during a rebuild. I don’t think he brought up Josh mcdaniels and seattle by accident in his presser. I think he was looking at that organization and mcdaniels as a potential candidate. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying the right for doing it. I just think that’s what they’re gonna try to do. I thought it was pretty interesting that Lurie made the comments he did about seattle during it. I think he probably looks at seattle staying competitive during their rebuild and believes he can do that here. Whether that’s successful or not I can’t say. I don’t think it’s going to be because I don’t think they have enough young talent or a quarterback like Russell Wilson. Even if wentz was good again i don’t think he’s Russell Wilson outside of 2017 

I don't think Howie believes that, he's talking about rebuilding last year.

Now NFL rebuilding isn't baseball or hockey, it should be a three year cycle, three high pick drafts, strip your veterans and their contracts. So two years after this season then you're ready to compete at a high level again.

However, you have to have balance, if Brooks is healthy, I don't move him because I want a solid OL to develop Wentz, Hurts or a new QB - the best way to destroy QBs is make them play behind below average OLs.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

There are a few conflicting issues with Wentz that show it's almost a mathematical certainty that this can't end well.

1.  He is 28, turns 29 at the end of next season. 

2.  Love him, hate him, in between...you can admit this: his seat is hot. 

3.  He has essentially never played in the playoffs.

4.  No matter how much you hate him, this abysmal supporting cast undeniably set him up for failure.

5. Lurie has ADMITTED that the team is not making moves with the intent of being competitive in 2021 or 2022.

6.  Every year, the homer in us just assumes that the WRs and OL will be better than last year.  Based on #5 and Kelce's pending retirement, I think we might want to let go of that perennial assumption.

 

If you put that all together, whether you blame Wentz or his surroundings, under what conceivable scenario is he supposed to turn this around before his seat gets even hotter and he's 30 years old without a playoff appearance?  

You can argue that Wentz can or can't be salvaged until you are blue in the face.  You can also argue about divvying up the blame however you want.  I just don't see how Wentz can be salvaged HERE while the team is committed to a re-build.   You can't rebuild and not "make short-sighted decisions" (Lurie's own quote) while trying to salvage a 28 year old QB.

 

Because Wentz is a mature adult, unlike what many of his detractors in here and in the media seem to think, and simply surrounding him with an organization that isnt asinine would be a huge upgrade for his life in general

He was wandering the desert in 2021 along with most of the organization

This is a game, can we all just stop pretending that he is like a piece of equipment that can be irreparably broken?  

We didnt total a car here, a human being had a bad season under nearly impossible conditions.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I don't think Howie believes that, he's talking about rebuilding last year.

Now NFL rebuilding isn't baseball or hockey, it should be a three year cycle, three high pick drafts, strip your veterans and their contracts. So two years after this season then you're ready to compete at a high level again.

However, you have to have balance, if Brooks is healthy, I don't move him because I want a solid OL to develop Wentz, Hurts or a new QB - the best way to destroy QBs is make them play behind below average OLs.

He talked about rebuilding last year and then because of Covid he decided he wasn’t going to rebuild. Which is an idiotic reason to stop yourself from doing a rebuild you knew you needed at that time. Wow winning a crappy nfc East isn’t the goal. If that’s his best goal to achieve we need a new GM with higher standards 

Again you think Roseman speaks only the truth. What he does and what he says are two totally different things. His actions speak louder than his words. You seem to buy into his words meanwhile his actions tell you differently and you spin his actions to fit your narrative by jumping through hoops to do it. And I would argue last off-season he said we needed to infuse more young talent. His off-season was infusing young talent via having multiple draft picks (10) and pricey FA in Hargrave and trading for slay. That would almost define trying to compete while also rebuilding

I am personally not averse to hiring McDaniels. Some guys learn from their mistakes and get it right the second time. Belichick bombed out in Cleveland and did all right. Reid couldn't win here but did in KC. Dick Vermeil the same, in St. Louis. Tony Dungy.

Of course, there is also Rich Kotite...

My personal preference would be Duce, but that's a very big gamble.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The more these obscure coordinators Lowie interviews the more attractive Duce looks.  

I’m thinking about putting my resume in. Got some fellow board members for the staff i was going to take to Houston for that job but eagles are my dream job. 

If Banner is right they had a guy in mind all along and will see if anyone blows them away before they decide on that guy. We’ll see if he’s right and see if it’s McDaniels.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Would rather see them interview eberflus the defensive coordinator. 

 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Mosher keeps harping on Riley hasn’t exactly turned down the job or said he’s definitively staying at Oklahoma. Possible they are still talking to him and trying to convince him. 

That’s what I’m hoping for! I’ve been tweeting Lincoln Riley for the last week everyday. Lol

Was Siranni McDaniels’ hire? I know Eberflus and others were. I remember at the time the staff he picked stayed on board and Reich inherited them, not sure if Siranni was one of them.

Could be interviewing him to also get more intel on McDaniels, if so.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Was Siranni McDaniels’ hire? I know Eberflus and others were. I remember at the time the staff he picked stayed on board and Reich inherited them, not sure if Siranni was one of them.

Could be interviewing him to also get more intel on McDaniels, if so.

He was a Reich hire

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He talked about rebuilding last year and then because of Covid he decided he wasn’t going to rebuild. Which is an idiotic reason to stop yourself from doing a rebuild you knew you needed at that time. Wow winning a crappy nfc East isn’t the goal. If that’s his best goal to achieve we need a new GM with higher standards 

Again you think Roseman speaks only the truth. What he does and what he says are two totally different things. His actions speak louder than his words. You seem to buy into his words meanwhile his actions tell you differently and you spin his actions to fit your narrative by jumping through hoops to do it. And I would argue last off-season he said we needed to infuse more young talent. His off-season was infusing young talent via having multiple draft picks (10) and pricey FA in Hargrave and trading for slay. That would almost define trying to compete while also rebuilding

I don't think trading for Slay and signing Hargrave were rebuilding moves.  I'm not sure it was ever a plan to rebuild this offseason given those moves. I think they believed they still had a core of talent with a big gap at the CB and WR positions.  

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Was Siranni McDaniels’ hire? I know Eberflus and others were. I remember at the time the staff he picked stayed on board and Reich inherited them, not sure if Siranni was one of them.

Could be interviewing him to also get more intel on McDaniels, if so.

based off this story sounds like it was Frank reich hire 

https://clutchpoints.com/colts-news-indy-hire-nick-sirianni-new-offensive-coordinator/

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think trading for Slay and signing Hargrave were rebuilding moves.  I'm not sure it was ever a plan to rebuild this offseason given those moves. I think they believed they still had a core of talent with a big gap at the CB and WR positions.  

Which goes back to my initial point where afan talks about Roseman saying he needs to rebuild in 2019. And then he didn’t do it.  What Roseman says and what Roseman does are two different things. his excuse about why he didn’t follow through with it is a bunch of BS that he feeds the fans because he knows people like afan is going to buy into the BS that he just didn’t want to do a full rebuild and misjudge the team  

Those were obviously not rebuilding move. However the 10 draft picks you could make the argument was supposedly helping with the rebuild. Which kind of goes into what I’m saying is that they still believe they can be competitive while also trying to rebuild/retool on the fly hence making those moves while also rebuilding by accumulating 10 draft picks and infusing young talent. The problem with that is it only works if you are drafting at a high-level. Otherwise you’re gonna probably bottom out

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

based off this story sounds like it was Frank reich hire 

https://clutchpoints.com/colts-news-indy-hire-nick-sirianni-new-offensive-coordinator/

Sirianni was SD/LA Chargers WR coach for 16/17 - Indy OC 2018 to present

12 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Would rather see them interview eberflus the defensive coordinator. 

Be patient, it’s only Tuesday.

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And where do you find a good GM? It's easy to find bad GMs, but good ones don't move.

So you're hiring someone's assistant and hoping he simply wasn't riding his bosses coat tails.

Or a retread like Dorsey, but retreads are out there because either they failed or they're dysfunctional.

Like with head coaches, you hire an up and coming person from the staff.  I mean the Eagles hired Joe Douglas from Baltimore and when he left they promoted his Asst Andy Weidl, who also came from Baltimore.  He's still here over personnel.  

It's Lurie's job to have the right consultants and people in his network to find the right GM.  And if it doesn't work, like with a HC, you fire and get someone else.  Howie has been on blast nationally even during televised games with the announcers ripping his drafting and yet he's survived 3 coaches being fired.

3 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Sirianni was SD/LA Chargers WR coach for 16/17 - Indy OC 2018 to present

Yeah wasn’t hired as the OC until after reich was hired. The point was Sirianni wasn’t hired by mcdaniels and reich didn’t retain him after mcdaniels spurned the colts. He just hired him

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Mentioned it before, I dont think the Eagles are in the middle of a rebuild and I dont think the Eagles think theyre in the middle of a rebuild. 

There's talent here, little cap trouble, top 10 pick and in a bad division. 

If you get 2019 Wentz(I think more than possible now that Doug's gone) we're fine. 

Well, you got 2019 Wentz with Doug here so...

Anyway, certainly if we get the last 4-5 games of 2019 next year, we will be fine. But that’s a big if IMO.