5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sigh... Lurie is the one owner you can’t really play the race card with. It’s nonsense. 

 

This was bound to happen this is the way everything is taken now.  

Duce turned down the HC job because it didn't include defensive play calling.

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

You never played organized football did you?

Play calling, scripting, game planning plays a major role in the game, esp in the beginning of a game. The reason teams script plays in order is to get an idea how the opposing side will react(Defense or Offense). The scheme should vary a bit in each few plays to get a good broad view. This way what you see out of the opposing side will help you determine the direction you want to go through out the game. Some use 5,10,20 plays in the script to make this evaluation. Some coaches will go through the script again in the 2nd half to see if the opp team adjusted as well. 

So you are incorrect, it is far from over rated. Its very important to the game plan. To give you a good point of view, Frank was our game planner/script guy in 2017. We had the number 1 offense in the league. Doug has made it known in PCs that he did not follow scripts when he game plans and we had very poor planned offenses, esp in the 1st half. 

Scripting is a different concept than play calling, scripting is a strategy to reveal what the defense is doing.

What most people mean by great play calling is pulling something magic, like a reverse or trick play, out of your pocket and fool the opposing DC. Maybe twice a game. Most play calling is more routine, you can only install a few new plays the week before a game, the other team has scouted you, and situations define your options.

Most plays are pretty basic, they usually work because they're well executed, and fail because a couple players blow assignments. In that context, scheming and play calling is less about being brilliant and more about knowing your own personnel and what they can do, and not asking them to do what they can't (example, having Ertz block a full sized DE). How often do you see a HC make a play call that everyone in the stadium knows is coming yet the opposing team can't stop it because the execution was perfect? Conversely, a clever play gets blown up b/c someone blew a block.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Duce apparently turned down the OC job, because it didn't include play calling.  So... who's fault is it?  

Also that. I also believe Todd Bowles was interim DC one year when he was here. So they didn’t hire him but they promote him after they fired the DC 

also i guess Juan Castillo isn’t good enough as a minority candidate as he was DC.... 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Duce turned down the HC job because it didn't include defensive play calling.

A true Juan Castillo type of move for Duce 

Doug to Indy as OC? 🤐 

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I’m about 70 percent sure Duce will be named OC. 

Given that Siriani hasn’t called plays before, I imagine they’ll probably look for an OC that has experience playcalling even if he won’t here, they’ll want the experience. 

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

When you say "not that simple" what aspect of my post were you referring to specifically?

That's it's simply a matter of the best man. It's often the best positioned man who gets the initial opportunity that leads to the pinnacle of success.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Doug to Indy as OC? 🤐 

He already told Les Bowen he's sitting out the year but that would be something.

Indy coaching staff is getting gutted right now. They lost their OC and potentially are losing their QB and DB coach along with anyone else Sirianni wants to bring.

10 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

If Sirianni fails hopefull he takes Howie with him In 2 years. 

so you want to see 2 awful years of football just to get howie out? not me, I hope he is awesome and he sticks up to Howie (I have strong reservations though).

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Scripting is a different concept than play calling, scripting is a strategy to reveal what the defense is doing.

What most people mean by great play calling is pulling something magic, like a reverse or trick play, out of your pocket and fool the opposing DC. Maybe twice a game. Most play calling is more routine, you can only install a few new plays the week before a game, the other team has scouted you, and situations define your options.

Most plays are pretty basic, they usually work because they're well executed, and fail because a couple players blow assignments. In that context, scheming and play calling is less about being brilliant and more about knowing your own personnel and what they can do, and not asking them to do what they can't (example, having Ertz block a full sized DE). How often do you see a HC make a play call that everyone in the stadium knows is coming yet the opposing team can't stop it because the execution was perfect? Conversely, a clever play gets blown up b/c someone blew a block.

So first you said " Playcalling is overrated, it's like scheming"

Now your saying "Scripting is a different concept than play calling"

All I had to read to know you are full of doggy poo

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He already told Les Bowen he's sitting out the year but that would be something.

Indy coaching staff is getting gutted right now. They lost their OC and potentially are losing their QB and DB coach along with anyone else Sirianni wants to bring.

Yeah, I saw that Doug is likely taking the year off. Not surprising after reports came out months ago that he was growing tired and fatigued. It would be quite the turn of events though. Maybe in 2022.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He already told Les Bowen he's sitting out the year but that would be something.

Indy coaching staff is getting gutted right now. They lost their OC and potentially are losing their QB and DB coach along with anyone else Sirianni wants to bring.

Can’t wait for him to make a you tube channel about ice cream to pass the time this year 

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

so you want to see 2 awful years of football just to get howie out? not me, I hope he is awesome and he sticks up to Howie (I have strong reservations though).

Of course we wanna win. I’m just not sure of this yet and if it goes south well take Howie with ya. It’s all’s I’m sayin’ 

40 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

There's no doubt in my mind they want to keep and fix Carson Wentz. That is crystal clear at this point. Hopefully, Sirianni isn't tied to Wentz because I'm definitely not confident Carson will turn it around next year.

Wentz cant really play much worse.  Can he?  I expect him to be better.  How much better remains to be seen.

31 minutes ago, RLC said:

I think there's systemic racism in the NFL. However, not hiring Eric Bieniemy is not proof of racism. 

Maybe Bieniemy is going to Houston. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Duce apparently turned down the OC job, because it didn't include play calling.  So... who's fault is it?  

There has been a ton of "reports" on all types of topics about the coaches, players etc. Can't really believe any in today's media. Could be true, Could be BS. In the end, Duce didnt get the HC job. We will see what his next step is. GL to him in any direction he goes. 

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

Of course we wanna win. I’m just not sure of this yet and if it goes south we’ll take Howie with ya. It’s all’s I’m sayin’ 

well I agree with you on that! 

36 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Blue checkmarks on social media ripping Lurie... not because they didn't like the hire. But because they hired "another white dude."

A lot of racist divisive toxic people out there. I hate the Fing hire, but I'll be the first to defend Lurie on this. Just unjustified and unwarranted criticism in this regard.

The amazing part of it is that Lurie hired Rhodes before there was any kind of woke pressure or mandate to interview minority coaches. If there’s a biased or racist owner in the NFL, surely it isn’t Lurie.

9 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I’m about 70 percent sure Duce will be named OC. 

Then it definitely can't be called a rebuild

Just now, austinfan said:

That's it's simply a matter of the best man. It's often the best positioned man who gets the initial opportunity that leads to the pinnacle of success.

I agree with that, but the positioning all falls under the opportunity umbrella. What we should be fighting for is equal opportunity, but Jeff Lurie is not himself responsible for other candidates' situations and not being well positioned based on their history elsewhere. All he can do is give the candidates he did interview an equal opportunity based on merit. People are criticizing Jeff Lurie. He did nothing wrong.

Someone really needs to tweet Trotter and tell the eagles hired a minority DC in Juan Castillo. Who was also replaced by Todd Bowles as interim. Unless we only refer to one minority as minority candidates now. 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

The amazing part of it is that Lurie hired Rhodes before there was any kind of woke pressure or mandate to interview minority coaches. If there’s a biased or racist owner in the NFL, surely it isn’t Lurie.

yeah, big time. Everybody is just so on edge and so quick to criticize. Know the facts, know the person, and then make up your mind. 

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, I saw that Doug is likely taking the year off. Not surprising after reports came out months ago that he was growing tired and fatigued. It would be quite the turn of events though. Maybe in 2022.

Why wouldnt he sit out, makes sense The Eagles are paying him a good amount of $$$ the next 2 years. He takes another job he doesnt get more money. they reduce what the Eagles owe him if he takes another job in the NFL. So why settle, take the year off, take the money and see what your value is next year. 

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

The amazing part of it is that Lurie hired Rhodes before there was any kind of woke pressure or mandate to interview minority coaches. If there’s a biased or racist owner in the NFL, surely it isn’t Lurie.

Does any other team have a male cheerleader? 

Im not in agreement of it, lol. Actually makes me not watch them during the game, But where is all the hate from the gay pride groups expecting more teams to follow, lol. 

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sigh... Lurie is the one owner you can’t really play the race card with. It’s nonsense. 

This crap is out of control. 

35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Playcalling is overrated, it's like scheming, it's not like DCs haven't seen everything. Unless you're stone cold stupid, it's not the plays you call so much as how you execute them.

Execution involves three main factors, talent, coaching players, and discipline.

HCs can't control talent, but they can teach players the skills of their position and demand discipline. So teach a WR to run a route properly then expect him to do so every time on the field.

So you’re saying the Doug bubble screen on 3rd and 7 with our slowest WR with three defenders and two blockers on that side of the field hasn’t been a consistent problem the last three years. I must be dreaming or tripping balls.