Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Goedert is a really really good blocker though. For a TE these days I'm not sure he's all that undersized either?

LOL u might want to reread what I wrote and what I quoted that someone else wrote. 

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

It all makes perfect sense. They did that long interview with McDaniels and it looked like he was the guy and when it didn't happen within a day and they started doing more interviews it was pretty obvious there was questions about what direction to go in. Whether it's the right or wrong hire, they should go with someone who ''blows them away'' and makes it obvious.

I have no problem with them hiring someone who blows them away. I question the people deciding what criteria blows them away in the first place.

If(and I don't know if this is the case) but if it is the case that they prioritized getting a coach who can fix Wentz among other important things, then I think that process itself is flawed to begin with.

For example, what blew the Eagles away may not have blown away other candidates, because it all depends on what you're looking for. I don't trust Lurie or Howie, so I'm going to question what they are looking for.

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Fair enough.  I would never hire him for that 1 offense alone.  Now that I think about it with all the scrutiny the NFL faces because of so many domestic violence issues, I wonder if that does indeed factor into it a little bit. It’s not tough to connect those dots. 

You don’t know who Odubel Herrera is?  😂 Not a baseball fan I guess. 

Lurie gave the keys to the franchise to Vick. I don't think Bieniemy's rap sheet had anything to do with it

Nope. Played it when I was a kid but could never watch it. I only watch NFL. I've tried to get into soccer and some of the games seemed interesting but would only catch some odd timed games

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I still think best case scenario is to trade BOTH Ertz and DG.  

If Siri loves 12, let's take 12 to the next level.  Kyle Pitts and one of Hakeem Butler/Tyree Jackson being the tight ends.  Fast, above the rim, super athletic tight ends who make big plays, rather than the 5 yard out Ertz plays.

That's one thing I like about Siri, he's worked with a lot of big WRs over the year and knows how to develop these  big, raw but athletic types. The last one we developed here that I can remember was Riley Cooper (5th) and Hank Baskett (UDFA). The Eagles bring these guys to camp the last two decades but they almost never work out. That may change.

As far as the 12, we now have a bunch of fast WRs, we don't have to run this by necessity, but choice. And you can sneak a Reagor or Watkins or Hightower deep off the ball control passing game if DBs try to jump crossing routes. I'm sure a lot of scheme choices were dictated by QBs, you can have more deep routes with Luck than Brisset or an aging Rivers, more with Wentz than Hurts. Siri has worked with enough different QBs that he's probably aware of what would probably work with Wentz and Hurts once he works with them.

 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

You do know Sirianni is a big run first guy right? Dont think having all undersized TEs is the answer. Sure one or two  but u need some that can run block. Dallas Goedert is not going anywhere anytime soon. If anything he could become one of th etop TEs in the league in a system like the Colts had if Nick goes that route. 

Precisely why I think the Eagles need to trade him....we can't afford to pay him.

Also, Pitts is 6-6 240.  Butler is 6-5 230 and Jackson is 6-7 250.  Show me the undersized TE?   I know that neither Butler or Jackson has shown a thing yet but I'm looking at different scenarios to be creative, create mismatches and save money for a team WAY over the cap.  Also, seeing Darren Waller turn in to a stud for the Raiders gives me hope that one of these project TE could develop.

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

You do know Sirianni is a big run first guy right? Dont think having all undersized TEs is the answer. Sure one or two  but u need some that can run block. Dallas Goedert is not going anywhere anytime soon. If anything he could become one of th etop TEs in the league in a system like the Colts had if Nick goes that route. 

I’m not sure that Sirianni is a run first guy,  but I certainly hope he isn’t.  No successful offense in the last decade has been described as run first.

 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

LOL u might want to reread what I wrote and what I quoted that someone else wrote. 

My apologies I'll pipe down. 

35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Why does it seem Emmanuel Acho is so full of anger and hate?

Because he’s probably Jim Trotter’s ‘source’

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I have no problem with them hiring someone who blows them away. I question the people deciding what criteria blows them away in the first place.

If(and I don't know if this is the case) but if it is the case that they prioritized getting a coach who can fix Wentz among other important things, then I think that process itself is flawed to begin with.

For example, what blew the Eagles away may not have blown away other candidates, because it all depends on what you're looking for. I don't trust Lurie or Howie, so I'm going to question what they are looking for.

I think it's less about fixing Wentz, than being able to work with different QBs with different styles and differing levels of experience.

It just gives you a lot more options, you don't have to trade up for an uber-talent or add an established veteran QB.

If he can fix Wentz, great, if not, Plan B with Hurts, if that doesn't work out then you can go a variety of routes.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Precisely why I think the Eagles need to trade him....we can't afford to pay him.

Also, Pitts is 6-6 240.  Butler is 6-5 230 and Jackson is 6-7 250.  Show me the undersized TE?   I know that neither Butler or Jackson has shown a thing yet but I'm looking at different scenarios to be creative, create mismatches and save money for a team WAY over the cap.  Also, seeing Darren Waller turn in to a stud for the Raiders gives me hope that one of these project TE could develop.

We actually can afford to pay him. We are only in cap hell for one year which his contract is not large for that year. If anything we can get him cheaper now then he would cost in 1-2 years when hes a star. 

People have to be realistic and use common sense here. They will not trade both Ertz and Goedert and I think we know which one they will choose to get rid of. 

Also out of the TEs u listed who can run block against OTs, LBs even bigger safety's? the run game will be used as a focal point in this offense. Non of them guys I trust as run blockers unless its against a tiny DB. 

 

McLane puts out another piece tearing into Howie.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-hire-coach-nick-sirianni-howie-roseman-20210121.html

 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Precisely why I think the Eagles need to trade him....we can't afford to pay him.

Also, Pitts is 6-6 240.  Butler is 6-5 230 and Jackson is 6-7 250.  Show me the undersized TE?   I know that neither Butler or Jackson has shown a thing yet but I'm looking at different scenarios to be creative, create mismatches and save money for a team WAY over the cap.  Also, seeing Darren Waller turn in to a stud for the Raiders gives me hope that one of these project TE could develop.

6-6 240 is H-back size, and Butler and Jackson are H-backs. A blocking TE is more Goedert/Witten, 6'6 260 or so. A miniature OL with hands and average speed who uses their body to create separation.

The skill set of "fixing Wentz” is no different from coaching up a rookie who has no clue how to play in this league.  That’s what Wentz basically is at this point anyway.  He’s a 28 year old rookie, our own Chris Weinke.  Got to start from scratch.  
 

 

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lurie gave the keys to the franchise to Vick. I don't think Bieniemy's rap sheet had anything to do with it

Nope. Played it when I was a kid but could never watch it. I only watch NFL. I've tried to get into soccer and some of the games seemed interesting but would only catch some odd timed games

I frankly think this stems around they wanted to get away from the reid coaching tree with this hire and i also think they wanted to go with someone they felt could fix and help salvage wentz or develop hurts. I think an added bonus is they have a bunch of young WRs they feel like Sirianni can help in that department as well as he was WR coach with the chargers and a former WR 

it also doesn’t help Bieniemy’s case that his agent goes to Twitter and says well they’re going to hire Josh McDaniels so he’s not gonna do the interview. Meanwhile sirianni does the interview anyways even though was heavily favoring towards Josh McDaniels from all reports. Goes to that interview and knocks it out of the park. To me this situation with the Bieniemy and the eagles goes back to the fact you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. If Lurie wasn’t sold on josh mcdaniels then Bieniemy had a chance but his agent and he got it wrong thinking it was a lock. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Is he related to Joe or Tom?

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Smith fits every offense

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Is he related to Joe or Tom?

Not unless they had a very different daddy

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Smith fits every offense

From McLane's column:
 

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And Lurie, as well. McDaniels had the reputation as a tyrant in Denver, but 10 years time seemed to soften the rough edges. But the Eagles must have thought -- or heard -- that McDaniels might have been a potential wolf in sheep’s clothing.

They shifted their attention to a second round of interviews -- "scrambling” was the word one source used -- with Sirianni separating from other young, offensive-minded assistants like Brady and Moore as McDaniels’ chief competition.

 

If his source is right, this just has awful optics. They already were scrambling by being a week late to the party, and then had to scramble again to identify a new batch of candidates.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I frankly think this stems around they wanted to get away from the reid coaching tree with this hire and i also think they wanted to go with someone they felt could fix and help salvage wentz or develop hurts. I think an added bonus is they have a bunch of young WRs they feel like Sirianni can help in that department as well. 

it also doesn’t help Bieniemy’s case that his agent goes to Twitter and says well they’re going to hire Josh McDaniels so he’s not gonna do the interview. Meanwhile sirianni does the interview anyways even though was heavily favoring towards Josh McDaniels from all reports. Goes to that interview and knocks it out of the park. To me this situation with the Bieniemy and the eagles goes back to the fact you miss 100% of the shots you take. If Lurie wasn’t sold on josh mcdaniels then Bieniemy had a chance but his agent and he got it wrong thinking it was a lock. 

I think his agency also tweeted something else out that likely didn't help their client. It all just seemed very unprofessional by an agency

Wentz is sort of the inverse of Hurts from a passing standpoint.  The only place Wentz can throw is to TEs in the the middle of the field; he has tunnel vision, never touches the sidelines, and usually botches throws in the flat.

The only throw Hurts can make is rolling out to a WR along the sideline.  He can’t or won’t test the middle of the field at all and is sort of a nightmare qb for 12 personnel.  

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

We actually can afford to pay him. We are only in cap hell for one year which his contract is not large for that year. If anything we can get him cheaper now then he would cost in 1-2 years when hes a star. 

People have to be realistic and use common sense here. They will not trade both Ertz and Goedert and I think we know which one they will choose to get rid of. 

I'm just in the mindset that when we have SO many holes on the team, spending top dollar on a tight end is a luxury we can't afford.  In the next few years (based on Howie's draft record) we are going to have to spend some FA money on either CB1 or CB2 if not both, Safety, DE, LG/RG, C to name a few.

I'm a DG fan and I would hate to ship him off just to see him have success somewhere else but if he can bring back a 2nd and 4th while saving the Eagles upwards of $60 million, that's hard to say no to.  If the Eagles trade down in round 1 to say pick 14 and drafted Pitts, they are looking at a $16 million contract with a 5th year option.  Pitts also doesn't even turn 21 until October so you're getting 6 years younger at tight end.  

Even if you don't want Pitts, I think DG is a tremendous asset to be dangled during the draft.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think his agency also tweeted something else out that likely didn't help their client. It all just seemed very unprofessional by an agency

Yeah that’s what i was talking about. You missed 100% of the shots you don’t take. The fact that he put that out there makes me not want to hire you. it makes me think you don’t think you’re better or good enough to impressed me more than mcdaniels and make me forget about Josh McDaniels who really wasn’t their first choice anyways. I would argue he has a better Pedegree the Duce Staley so if it was down to Josh McDaniels that Lurie wasn’t sold on and Duce as the other option I’m guessing he probably would’ve had a leg up in that situation if he took the interview and just did well with it. Instead he chose I don’t wanna do it which is a crappy attitude to have.