The Eagles needed to lose on Sunday.
The players have every right to be upset.

Both can be true!

8 minutes ago, devpool said:

Catches are great, but the guy falls down immediately after. Kelce is a possible HOF. Kittle would be if he didn't get hurt all the time. Gronk in his prime. You watch those guys, especially prime gronk and think "they could get in". I can't imagine people think that watching ertz. He is very good, top 5 and maybe even top 3 when he actually gives a F, but he probably won't sniff the HOF unless he goes on an absolute tear the next couple years.

It would be sad to see him go if he didn't act like such a bish this season. It'll be nice to see him return for his eagles HOF induction and I wish him all the best wherever he goes

No argument from me. Like I said it was my opinion and I understand why people are mad at him. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

 

Joe Banner Tweeted that a ton of coaches, players and agents(for the eagles and for other teams, i.e. free agent hopefuls) are pissed and want no part of this train wreck

I  wonder if those same players felt the same way when Wentz was benched? I mean, the guy was the leading MVP candidate in 2017 until his injury. Done far more than Hurts will ever do? 

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Herbig barely figured out being a guard.  Some of the calls for the OC (and the mobility the Eagles like from their center)...that's only going to come from Seumalo.

So now we need a new LG.  Herbig figures to be the RG by midseason.  

My prediction for the starting OL by the end of the year: Mailata/rookie draft pick/Seumalo/Herbig/Dillard.  Yes, Dillard at RT.  I never said it's how I'd do it.  Assuming Mailata stays healthy.  Otherwise you can plug Dillard into LT and Pryor at RT.

Brooks is coming back.  When healthy, he is the RG starter.  Herbig filled in this season, but he is a back-up at best.  LG is the position needs to be addressed.  Pryor has not impressed at T positions, may be in the mix at G. 

Seumalo is the C if Kelce retires, which looks likely now given his injury history.  They should find a young C to develop for the future.

Dillard at RT is a problem.  Johnson should be the starter next season.  For sure they need to have someone ready to step in in the future.  Dillard did poorly when played at RT.  At LT, he may not be better than Mailata at this point, IMO. 

 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

 

Joe Banner Tweeted that a ton of coaches, players and agents(for the eagles and for other teams, i.e. free agent hopefuls) are pissed and want no part of this train wreck

Joe banner is a tool. Honestly it was no surprise to me. 

However i will say this, "IF" this is true at all then Doug just lost the locker room and the coaching staff which means there is only one next step. 

one can only hope that is the case, lol. 

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I  wonder if those same players felt the same way when Wentz was benched? I mean, the guy was the leading MVP candidate in 2017 until his injury. Done far more than Hurts will ever do? 

The players felt just like the fans did when your boy was benched: 

Relieved 

6 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I don’t think Ertz has bad feelings towards the organization. He seemed in his PC today like he was extremely sad he’s likely leaving Philly, and made a point to say he doesn’t want to go. 
 

I don’t know how much they’d badmouth Eagles organization either with VP of security there. Not sure how that dynamic works within the team, but just a thought

I don't think it was a bad mouth thing, I think it was a mourning session... sadness over the way things have transpired.

 

Listening to what the players want can be worse than listening to what the fans want.

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Knee replacement day.

If you don't hear from me again you'll know i picked a bad doctor.

praying for you.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

I love Ertz but the way he played this season I'm glad he's not extended. According to what I read he was offered a very nice extension and turned it down. We can't continue to pay guys on past performance which is what got us in this trouble to begin with.

AMEN!!!  

1 hour ago, greend said:

Funny did see a spec of that on TV. Who were the players?

'unnamed defensive player 1' and 'unnamed defensive player 2'.  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If this is a means to the end of Doug, so be it.  But what reputable coaching candidate would come to this organization and work under Howie Roseman.  Because I am here to tell you, Doug was NOT a reputable coaching candidate.  He was plan G.   

They specifically hired Doug because he was happy to get the job and willing to defer to Howie (at the time) on everything.  They interviewed all the in-demand candidates that year (not that many of them worked out in the end) and were turned down by all of them.  

Replacing Doug would be the same thing.  There are people out there so hot on one of the 32 HC jobs that they will gladly take it and defer to Howie.  But the top names of this hiring season, the ones who have options, know the deal here with Howie and will not go for this situation.

That doesn't mean they can't get lucky.  But look what happened with Doug.  He did well, won a SB, wrote a book, ego grew, and got tired of being Howie's puppet.

 

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

I would guess that it wasnt Dougs call to bench Hurts anyway.  Otherwise, this might move the needle for me.

Either way, Joe Judge just quickly climbed up my list of most hated coaches.  Who the hell does this guy think he is, going on some long winded virtue signaling soliloquy hammering the Eagles.  If the Giants werent in NY they would be utterly irrelevant across the sports landscape of the country

They are irrelevant despite being in NY.  Only they care about them.  

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

A few things could easily be in play...

1) Whatever McLane was told happened wasn’t shown on TV. Let’s be honest, NBC couldn’t even be bothered to show a replay of a possible fumble that Wallace returned for a TD. The cameras would have focused on Sudfeld, Doug, Wentz and Hurts during those moments anyway.  

2) The phrasing McLane used immediately conjures an image of someone physically restraining an outwardly angry player, but it could have been as much or as "I’m gonna tell Doug to eff himself,” and a teammate putting a hand on the guys chest and telling him to be cool. It’s not something that would actually jump out. 

3) I can see why people question McLane for not naming the player, but there’s a good chance a source told him who the player was on the condition he not name the player. Or his source, likely a very trusted source, told him what happened but wouldn’t give him the name. People can debate whether he should use that info in print, I suppose. 

4) The players have skin in the game. They’re competitive. They have very little interest in picking sixth or ninth. It’s not hard to envision players being pissed off that we obviously played Sudfeld to hurt our chances of winning the game. 

1. Is possible

2. If it's this is crazy overblown

3. Understandable just asking

4. Maybe or maybe as someone else suggested more money for individual players because of bonuses. 

 

Quite honestly I believe very little of what I read anymore because I just don't trust reporters. (I know you used to be in the business)

53 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Ohio State has a center I like a lot. Iowa too. Iowa? My god! What am I saying?

I know what you are saying... but, as with anything, each prospect needs to be evaluated for himself, not judged by the group he's associated with.   But... Iowa OL are usually at their peak when the come into the league for sure. 

 

And I'm still thinking that Driscoll's long term future might be at center.  He seems much more like Kelce than Seumalo.  

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Knee replacement day.

If you don't hear from me again you'll know i picked a bad doctor.

Prayers for speedy and complete recovery

55 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

A bunch of cry babies.

It's not uncommon for a rookie backup QB who has a 25 QB rating in the game and who just missed a wide open TD pass on 4th down to get pulled later in the game.   It really isn't.  They all need to get over themselves. 

 

But... that rookie is a great runner.  So, people get carried away.

34 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles needed to lose on Sunday.
The players have every right to be upset.

Both can be true!

Players on the Eagles, absolutely.  Players on the Giants... absolutely not.   They won 6 games.  THEY are why they aren't in the playoffs.   Handle your own business, GMen.

56 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Ohio State has a center I like a lot. Iowa too. Iowa? My god! What am I saying?

Athletic/mobile hopefully?

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

I agree on moving away from 12 in favor of 11 personnel

The advantage of 12 is the run against a single high safety or cover three look. If we arent going to run...well then...wtf good is it?

it speaks to the systemic inconsistencies that doug put together in this mutant offense

Yup, not to mention that trying to run out of 12 when one of the TEs( Ertz) doesn't run block makes 12 personnel even less effective.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

He is not a hof player and his playing to not get hurt this year tarnished him. Handling his contract immaturely

i could see NE loving him for their F position which is basically a glorified slot receiver

So basically the same position he played here?

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Ohio State has a center I like a lot. Iowa too. Iowa? My god! What am I saying?

What's julien Vandervelde up to thes days?

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Listening to what the players want can be worse than listening to what the fans want.

Absolutely.  But, there does need to be mutual respect between player and coach.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If this is a means to the end of Doug, so be it.  But what reputable coaching candidate would come to this organization and work under Howie Roseman.  Because I am here to tell you, Doug was NOT a reputable coaching candidate.  He was plan G.   

It depends on the candidate.  Without a doubt, the presence of Roseman makes the job far less appealing and more risky for any candidate.  It makes it less likely you can attract a top candidate.  Much like last time, expect them to be turned down a bunch by their top choices if the owner inexplicably continues his unwavering loyalty to Roseman, when they do start the next coaching search (likely this time next year).

When you have a guy connected to the owner, that has been given full control of the 90 man roster, draft, personnel dept etc, and that guy is basically enabled to fail to previously unforeseen levels and keep his job, no coach wants any part of that.  They know that their "collaboration" and "input" is a sham, and they will be scapegoated immediately if they don't tow the line.  The owner and his lapdog will even meddle with his staff when they don't understand what's really going on and irrationally demand change.  When a shiny new concept emerges in an offense for another team, they will demand hiring of one of the coaches and changing what you do to pacify them.   It has finally come off the rails.  If you think settling for Doug was bad, wait until next offseason.  They will be shopping in the discount rack.  It's so hard with coaches though.  The hot coordinator or college coach does not always work out.  Some of the people mentioned here, I'm totally unsure if they will be great head coaches.  Doug obviously worked out better than some of the guys they wanted last time would have, so sometimes you get lucky.

That said, this team is a mess, and the guys in charge now have proven only capable of messing it up further.  If Hurts runs around and wills the team to 6 wins next year, in a still bad division, with this cap situation and young talent situation, it will become one of the least desirable coaching destinations next year with a draft pick low enough that a new QB is not going to be an easy get.  He is going to have to dig deep and really pull out some big numbers from the checkbook.  Money does matter the most for many of the candidates, so maybe he will be able to go that route.

Lurie has made his choices, but there will be consequences to his actions.  And it's not just that he is going to have to pay through the nose to get the coach he wants next time.  If he decides to keep his lapdog and continue meddling, he is running the risk of turning his franchise into the Browns or Bengals.  You may disagree, you may laugh, but look at the trajectory.  Look at the roster.  Look at the draft picks.  Look at the trades.  Look at the FAs they signed and who they passed on.  Look at the cap.  Look at the decisions.  Look at the players that they have relied on up until now,  how long they have been with the team, and write down what you are counting on from those players moving forward.  Then consider that they just held a press conference with the same guy in charge telling you how successful they have been.

38 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I  wonder if those same players felt the same way when Wentz was benched? I mean, the guy was the leading MVP candidate in 2017 until his injury. Done far more than Hurts will ever do? 

I love Wentz but he had plenty of time before he got benched. It wasn't like Doug benched him prematurely