11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Howie with another stroke of brilliance! He managed to not bully Doug into firing his first-year OC that ended up being a phenomenal OC. Howie is so good. 

Doug as a victim is getting tiresome.  He was not a good coach, the guys he promoted did poorly, players didn't develop- and it could be said that players digressed rather than progressed all while he was the Head Coach.  We just watched our QB, our record setting TE, all our WRs, our good RB look worse from last year to this year.  Furthermore, he continually ran Peters and Pryor out there when both were clearly not as good as other offensive linemen.  He let Gerry play all day long until he got hurt and poor Doug is a victim......

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Doug as a victim is getting tiresome.  He was not a good coach, the guys he promoted did poorly, players didn't develop- and it could be said that players digressed rather than progressed all while he was the Head Coach.  We just watched our QB, our record setting TE, all our WRs, our good RB look worse from last year to this year.  Furthermore, he continually ran Peters and Pryor out there when both were clearly not as good as other offensive linemen.  He let Gerry play all day long until he got hurt and poor Doug is a victim......

Agree with your overall point.

Doug flamed out. Simple as that.

Just an example.  I'm just getting in from the gym, open up my first Eagles article to read tonight from SI.com.  Garbage.

The Duce gave 17 years argument is tired.  The NFL is a WIN NOW league.  What have you done for me lately?  The fact that they created positions (Assistant HC) to keep him around tells me they did everything they could.  They interviewed him for HC, he was the HC when DP was out with Covid.  Enough with he deserved better because he was here for so long.  Longevity isn't a coaching trait or a strength.  It isn't going to win you a SB either.  Then you have the fact that he took the same position with the Lions should tell you even MORE about Duce.  Lateral coaching moves isn't exactly teams knocking down the door to make him an OC, let alone HC.  

 

Then you have the 2nd bolded heading.  It's been covered and beaten to death by many of us in here.  Enough Ed.  

On a day when the staff is starting to come together and the new HC is in the building...this is the content we get.  Over it. 

 

Duce Staley deserved better

I get it. It’s a business.

But, when someone gives 17 years of their life to an organization the way the now-former assistant head coach did, you wonder what more could have been done to salvage the relationship.

Minority non-hiring

Jeffrey Lurie was considered a bit ahead of the trend when he made Ray Rhodes the first head coach he hired after buying the team in 1994. Since then, the Eagles owner has hired four white head coaches.

There has not been a single black coordinator hired, either.

There have been several black position coaches who have worked for the Eagles in the last 27 years of Lurie’s ownership, including Todd Bowles, who was the secondary coach in 2012 then promoted to defensive coordinator when Juan Castillo was fired, but none at the upper levels of the staff.

The league, overall, hasn’t done a good job if minority hiring, either.

If the seven head coaching jobs this offseason, six went to white men. Imagine the pressure now that the Houston Texans are under now to hire a minority.

Please don’t tell me there aren’t enough quality minority candidates, either

20 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Doug as a victim is getting tiresome.  He was not a good coach, the guys he promoted did poorly, players didn't develop- and it could be said that players digressed rather than progressed all while he was the Head Coach.  We just watched our QB, our record setting TE, all our WRs, our good RB look worse from last year to this year.  Furthermore, he continually ran Peters and Pryor out there when both were clearly not as good as other offensive linemen.  He let Gerry play all day long until he got hurt and poor Doug is a victim......

There’s nuance to this of course. Doug is not blameless, but he also was treated like a toddler. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

There’s nuance to this of course. Doug is not blameless, but he also was treated like a toddler. 

It was a poor relationship for sure.  For all we know he treated Howie like a toddler as well.  

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

There’s nuance to this of course. Doug is not blameless, but he also was treated like a toddler. 

if anti-Howie fan theories are correct....

Just now, Freshmilk said:

It was a poor relationship for sure.  For all we know he treated Howie like a toddler as well.  

I’m confident that isn’t the case, but ok...

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

if anti-Howie fan theories are correct....

Yeah, it’s not that big of an if. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’m confident that isn’t the case, but ok...

Yeah, it’s not that big of an if. 

it is.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I’m confident that isn’t the case, but ok...

Why are you confident?

God Adam Caplan is full of himself. Why do I listen?

Just now, Freshmilk said:

Why are you confident?

Too much smoke. Too many reports. 

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just an example.  I'm just getting in from the gym, open up my first Eagles article to read tonight from SI.com.  Garbage.

The Duce gave 17 years argument is tired.  The NFL is a WIN NOW league.  What have you done for me lately?  The fact that they created positions (Assistant HC) to keep him around tells me they did everything they could.  They interviewed him for HC, he was the HC when DP was out with Covid.  Enough with he deserved better because he was here for so long.  Longevity isn't a coaching trait or a strength.  It isn't going to win you a SB either.  Then you have the fact that he took the same position with the Lions should tell you even MORE about Duce.  Lateral coaching moves isn't exactly teams knocking down the door to make him an OC, let alone HC.  

 

Then you have the 2nd bolded heading.  It's been covered and beaten to death by many of us in here.  Enough Ed.  

On a day when the staff is starting to come together and the new HC is in the building...this is the content we get.  Over it. 

 

Duce Staley deserved better

I get it. It’s a business.

But, when someone gives 17 years of their life to an organization the way the now-former assistant head coach did, you wonder what more could have been done to salvage the relationship.

Minority non-hiring

Jeffrey Lurie was considered a bit ahead of the trend when he made Ray Rhodes the first head coach he hired after buying the team in 1994. Since then, the Eagles owner has hired four white head coaches.

There has not been a single black coordinator hired, either.

There have been several black position coaches who have worked for the Eagles in the last 27 years of Lurie’s ownership, including Todd Bowles, who was the secondary coach in 2012 then promoted to defensive coordinator when Juan Castillo was fired, but none at the upper levels of the staff.

The league, overall, hasn’t done a good job if minority hiring, either.

If the seven head coaching jobs this offseason, six went to white men. Imagine the pressure now that the Houston Texans are under now to hire a minority.

Please don’t tell me there aren’t enough quality minority candidates, either

Chest day? 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Too much smoke. Too many reports. 

Takes two to make these kind of fires.  I'm no Howie fan, but Doug couldn't get along with his QB, what makes you think he could mange other important relationships well?  I think Doug is the Peter Principle, Howie too.  Two PPs butting heads

27 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just an example.  I'm just getting in from the gym, open up my first Eagles article to read tonight from SI.com.  Garbage.

The Duce gave 17 years argument is tired.  The NFL is a WIN NOW league.  What have you done for me lately?  The fact that they created positions (Assistant HC) to keep him around tells me they did everything they could.  They interviewed him for HC, he was the HC when DP was out with Covid.  Enough with he deserved better because he was here for so long.  Longevity isn't a coaching trait or a strength.  It isn't going to win you a SB either.  Then you have the fact that he took the same position with the Lions should tell you even MORE about Duce.  Lateral coaching moves isn't exactly teams knocking down the door to make him an OC, let alone HC.  

 

Then you have the 2nd bolded heading.  It's been covered and beaten to death by many of us in here.  Enough Ed.  

On a day when the staff is starting to come together and the new HC is in the building...this is the content we get.  Over it. 

 

Duce Staley deserved better

I get it. It’s a business.

But, when someone gives 17 years of their life to an organization the way the now-former assistant head coach did, you wonder what more could have been done to salvage the relationship.

Minority non-hiring

Jeffrey Lurie was considered a bit ahead of the trend when he made Ray Rhodes the first head coach he hired after buying the team in 1994. Since then, the Eagles owner has hired four white head coaches.

There has not been a single black coordinator hired, either.

There have been several black position coaches who have worked for the Eagles in the last 27 years of Lurie’s ownership, including Todd Bowles, who was the secondary coach in 2012 then promoted to defensive coordinator when Juan Castillo was fired, but none at the upper levels of the staff.

The league, overall, hasn’t done a good job if minority hiring, either.

If the seven head coaching jobs this offseason, six went to white men. Imagine the pressure now that the Houston Texans are under now to hire a minority.

Please don’t tell me there aren’t enough quality minority candidates, either

I heard Caplan on the radio yesterday say there are at least 20 minority candidates out there that could have at least got interviews.

Honestly I have no idea who these guys are.  Maybe the NFL, the teams and current head coaches need to get these candidates name out there and visible more.  

15 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Chest day? 

Ironically yes...

Not sure when it happened, but Ive noticed TDN now has Farley ranked above Surtain. 

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's really sad.  It's just making me numb to any conversation about race anymore.  The minute I hear white or black I tune out, change the channel or close the page.  I opened up my email today (I still use AOL) and the lead story was "WHITE PEOPLE LEAST LIKELY TO WEAR MASKS".  There is 100% no reason to do this study and write this article.  I'm just sick of all of it.  

I think Lurie sucks right now, but I'll defend him on this strongly, because the accusations are wrong. Regardless on how I feel of the job he's done as an owner, the criticisms here are not warranted ones. There are plenty of things to get on Lurie about, but these things are laughable.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I think Lurie sucks right now, but I'll defend him on this strongly, because the accusations are wrong. Regardless on how I feel of the job he's done as an owner, the criticisms here are not warranted ones. There are plenty of things to get on Lurie about, but these things are laughable.

Agreed.  Plus, the media type and people complaining should look at the actual Eagles staff rather than just the coaching staff.  

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There’s nuance to this of course. Doug is not blameless, but he also was treated like a toddler. 

If his legit plan was promote Breiner, Taylor and bring Undlin back, he deserves to be treated like a toddler. I also feel like that’s such a troll suggestion he was doing his best to get fired. 

32 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Takes two to make these kind of fires.  I'm no Howie fan, but Doug couldn't get along with his QB, what makes you think he could mange other important relationships well?  I think Doug is the Peter Principle, Howie too.  Two PPs butting heads

Huh?

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure when it happened, but Ive noticed TDN now has Farley ranked above Surtain. 

Ideal scenario is we trade back to around 9-11, pick up a 2nd, and get one of these guys. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If his legit plan was promote Breiner, Taylor and bring Undlin back, he deserves to be treated like a toddler. I also feel like that’s such a troll suggestion he was doing his best to get fired. 

I’m not at all defending his reported proposed staff, just like no one should defend Howie for reportedly asking Doug to fire Reich or Lowie for meeting with Schwartz for a quasi-interview after the 2016 season. 

Hopefully, Lowie has learned to not micro-manage everything. Sometimes you have to trust the people you hire a little bit.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If his legit plan was promote Breiner, Taylor and bring Undlin back, he deserves to be treated like a toddler. I also feel like that’s such a troll suggestion he was doing his best to get fired. 

I kind of also can see Mike misseneli’s theory on Carson and doug having some validity. I do think Carson Wentz had issues with doug where he might not have thought Doug was smart enough so he didn’t buy into what he was selling. I think wentz might have viewed 2017 as more of Frank reich was the guy he admired and his offseason training was the reason he reached the heights he did. With Doug he just always viewed as someone who he had a work relationship with, didn’t hate him but just didn’t think that he was the right person to get him where he wanted to go